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reply posted on 25-7-2010 @ 01:24 AM by Bedlam
Originally posted by __rich__
Have they patented the Pendant?

Because Bearden was granted a patent for his device.

I thought any devices had to actually do what they claim to be patentable?



You mean his little MEG transformer rig? Ever see him actually produce power with it? Because last time he was really pushing it, he was trying to use a sine wave RMS meter on a very non-sinusoidal waveform, which is not that rare of a mistake for a beginner.

However, I thought the dog ate his homework in 2005, when his only working prototype was destroyed by a MIB. (also a fairly common statement for a huckster)

And no, it doesn't actually have to work. You can patent anything that appears to be functional and meets the other criteria, such as not being obvious to people skilled in the art. We've filed patents before we had the thing working before, and didn't file fast enough in others, which is a big dammit either way - both waste your time, but doing it too slowly wastes your money.

Now had Tom said "it's a perpetual motion machine" he'd have been denied up front, but there are few technically apt patent examiners, and as long as you don't come off like a total idiot or use certain key phrases, you'll likely get the patent as long as it's not blatantly the same as someone else's.

edit: I think the only case in which you have to produce a working model and demonstrate it to the examiner is the one where you claim to have a perpetual motion machine. For all else, it's how you sell the examiner on the merits of the thing. If it looks reasonable, they don't question it.

I'm not sure where people pick up the concept that "if it's patented, it must be REAL!", because it's nothing of the sort. However, you can at times pick up some real good info there, with the proviso that a lot of people occasionally leave out some bits and insert others that are not so conducive to the thing working if you try to replicate it.

[edit on 25-7-2010 by Bedlam]


reply posted on 25-7-2010 @ 01:55 AM by Bedlam
Originally posted by __rich__
Just wondering. I thought Patent Claims had to be proven.

As in..."this new machine can turn apples in to oranges".

The specifics of how it achieves the claim are then laid out.

Certainly the Patent Office must have verified Bearden's claims about his MEG?



Nope. They never do.

Now, if you had "this new machine turns apples into oranges" and it looked halfway feasible, you'd likely get a barrage of previous work you'd have to refute, and that's it.

If you had claims that the keebler elves were doing it, you'd be refused.

It all depends on the pitch you write.

I've never been turned down for technical non-feasibility. I have generally had to refute a few dozen counter examples, most of which had no bearing at all on what I was doing. The examiner was just picking out key words and doing text searches on the patent database and the net.

edit: a number of patents I've come across are blatantly non-functional, at least to someone halfway skilled in physics. I have, for example, seen a patent for transforming radiation into electrical power by ionizing metal in a wire. Since they were supposedly increasing the charge carriers, that was supposed to just magically turn into potential. Never mind the fact that it's the same as just splicing in a bit of somewhat more conductive wire. No power created at all.

Oh, and a conductive metal doesn't HAVE bound charge carriers, you have a drude gas, you can't make holes and electrons in it, really, if you did the recombination time would be in the picoseconds. So the patent was really neat looking, lots of nice artwork and hand waving, not so much math, blatantly wrong physics, and they got a patent. The MEG patent actually has math in, although it's not good physics, it's really impressive looking though, and he never ever says it makes more power than you put in.

[edit on 25-7-2010 by Bedlam]


reply posted on 4-7-2012 @ 10:33 AM by Submarines
reply to post by Bedlam



It is refreshing to hear factual statements about HAARP.

Thanks, Bedlam!
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