Man Fired For Calling Watermelon Obama Fruit, page 14
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reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 01:03 PM by mothershipzeta
Originally posted by GummB
maybe he did deserve to be fired.

But can anyone explain to me how that is racist or offensive. Comparing a person to a piece of green and red fruit seems like a very miniscule comment. Sorry I just don't see any connection, if someone could shine some light on the situation it may be more understandable.

GummB


Basically, the imagery started as mocking African-Americans, i.e. "They're so simple-minded and lazy that they love a big sweet fruit that they can lay around and eat all day."

For you and the others who don't understand:

www.racismreview.com...

The watermelon imagery doubtless goes back into at least the early 19th century, in connection with the southern rural reality in which most black Americans lived. Whites put this mocking imagery into the white racial frame of that era. In an article on racism and popular culture, sociologists Danielle Dirks and Jennifer Mueller have commented on how old and pervasive this “watermeloning” of black Americans has been in white popular culture:

Postcards depicting black Americans in various states of childishness and need have provided some of the most interesting snapshots of white thinking and imagination of the time. As if it were an aesthetic rule, adults and children could not be depicted in any print media without being coupled with watermelons.

They interpret this mocking thus:

Although the sale of real black human beings ended in 1865 with the official demise of the state-supported US slavery system, the consumption of blackness through popular culture ideas, images, and material goods marked an easy, if figurative, transition in the Postbellum South. From blackfaced caricatures found on postcards, children’s toys, and household items to Nineteenth century minstrelsy, these examples provide only a smattering of the racist iconography and ideology found throughout Western culture. As such, images of coons, pickaninnies, mammies, bucks, and Uncle Toms were born, to live out lives distorting the image of black Americans for centuries to come.



reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 01:23 PM by EminenceofAeon
Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
Originally posted by Patriotgal
And- THIS is why, I ONLY hire older, white people! Plus- make them sign a contract, that ALL speach, is allowed, as long as no-one, is harrassing someone else, in MY WORKPLACE!
F! this "rascist" crapola!! I'm tired, of every person, darker than I am, constantly saying "rassist!!" (I'm, 1/4 Cherokee- however, since I've lived in the NW for 20 years, you cannot tell- I'm VERY "white") Give me 4 months, at my Ranch, in Nevada- I'll be darker, than most of the "rassist!" shouting goons!


You seriously only hire old white people?
Wow.
That's just...
Well, I guess it means you can sit around and make all the inappropriate race-slandering, derogatory jokes you want without having any of those pesky coloreds getting uppity at ya, huh?

I didn't think people like you actually existed anymore.

Could this thread get more depressing!?



I knew they existed still. Heck even before that person posted you could tell they do. Some people like to think that racism is dead because we have a black president... so we don't need anything in place to protect people from people like this person.

It's very VERY depressing which is why after a while people just dont have the energy to 'fight back' or even bother to rationalize with the person/people anymore. Which is why there are some organizations that help them with it. Some of these organizations have lost their way in greed though.


reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 02:16 PM by PsychoX42
reply to post by GummB



The reference to racism lies here.

Watermelon is a fruit that has been used as a stereotypical favorite of the Black race. It was used as a way to demean blacks for decades, as well as the perception that Blacks are prone to eat tons of fried chicken.

This is the reason why the man in question was fired for his statement.

Namaste and Love


reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 07:10 PM by lunchbuddy
reply to post by GummB



You asked what makes the remark racist. I _believe_ there is some stereotype involving black people and watermelons out there and that's where the racist aspect presumably comes in. Something along the lines that black people are really into watermelon and that it is a food for black people primarily.

Well let's put it this way, you could call watermelons grown in the American South now Obama Fruits. I've seen pics with the crop damage done through corexit raining down on the crops.


reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 07:25 PM by TheFinalTruth14
Oh no! The stereotype of a black person liking watermelon! Oh noooooooo! What is more insulting and degrading than being identified as liking a certain food!?!

Since I don't know how to imbed a video (what Youtube # do they want? Where do I draw the line?), I'll link it up :

www.youtube.com...

Dave Chapelle on chicken. WARNING : May be considered offensive to black people, white guilt victims, chickens, and politicians.

Also, if anyone can tell me whether I'm racist or not, please do so. I don't think I do, but what do I know?

For the record, I DO support the company's right to fire him and don't really care either way. Just funny people can actually get riled up over a stereotype about liking a certain food.


reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 08:07 PM by EminenceofAeon
Originally posted by TheFinalTruth14
Oh no! The stereotype of a black person liking watermelon! Oh noooooooo! What is more insulting and degrading than being identified as liking a certain food!?!

Since I don't know how to imbed a video (what Youtube # do they want? Where do I draw the line?), I'll link it up :

www.youtube.com...

Dave Chapelle on chicken. WARNING : May be considered offensive to black people, white guilt victims, chickens, and politicians.

Also, if anyone can tell me whether I'm racist or not, please do so. I don't think I do, but what do I know?

For the record, I DO support the company's right to fire him and don't really care either way. Just funny people can actually get riled up over a stereotype about liking a certain food.




You aren't the first one to bring up Chappelle in this conversation.

I didn't want to bring this up because it's a whole different matter and could actually be made into a thread itself and probably has been before when his flight to Africa was in the mainstream media. I believe he made jokes about stereotypes to break away from the negative images and to encourage more lightheartedness... until he actually realized that he bit off more than he could chew. He even said that he got to a place where he wasn't sure if people were laughing for the right reasons.

Here is a place for you to start researching and reading if you haven't yet.

spring.newsvine.com...

Here is a quote from the user comments in the article.


What I find almost jaw-droppingly amazing, is that Chappelle actually never believed he was reinforcing stereotypes with his humor before that "Enlightening Moment" when a white guy (who happens to laugh with that condescending type of laugh at everything, according to people who know him) laughs a bit too loud or long.

I have ALWAYS thought Chappelle's humor reinforced stereotypes. PARTICULARLY those regarding blacks, as no white person, and very few hispanics will use the 'N' word. You can't even type it on the Internet anymore, without putting yourself at all types of risk, but it's not only allowable for people like Chappelle to say it dozens of times in his shows, he's even allowed to rub that fact in, as he did with his "parody" 50's style TV show, "The Niggahs," an "Ozzie and Harriet" type send up.

The fact that he made so many millions doing this on a regular basis has given rise to "Mind of Mencia," just the next phase in Minority Stereotype Humor. It's okay to make rude stereotype jokes of your own race, and if you're a minority, you can really say some rude things and get away with it. A sub-category of this would be the "Redneck Humor" of Jeff Foxworthy and Larry the Cable Guy.

Dave Chappelle did no favors to black people with his show. He reinforced the opinion that blacks are so "inferior" to whites that they don't even realize how they fit the 'N' word term by their free usage of it. I don't miss him a bit.


Although it is kinda hard to find information past the clips of his sketches since he was so popular.

//edited to add second quote-


[edit on 28-7-2010 by EminenceofAeon]


reply posted on 30-7-2010 @ 01:59 PM by technical difficulties
reply to post by technical difficulties

For some reason, I can't edit my post, and too lazy to find out why, so I'll just do this instead.

Concerning the actual topic of the thread, yes the guy should be fired. If company guidelines say you can't say offensive things, then you should be punished, regardless of whether you were calling the president a moron (albeit in a lighter tone) or making a racist joke.

[edit on 30-7-2010 by technical difficulties]


reply posted on 30-7-2010 @ 02:51 PM by Sherlock Holmes
This topic and some of the replies highlight the huge difference in attitudes on ''racism'' between the US and the more mature attitude of other countries, including Britain.

Some Americans get so precious about this subject and are so race-obsessed. It is my opinion that those that see ''racism'' in everything are the truly racially biased people.

Different races, cultures and nationalities' cuisine is a common source of humour, and to name just a few culinary stereotypes that are often humourously commented on:

French - smell of garlics, eat baguettes, onions and frog's legs.
Italians - pizza.
Australians - anything involving barbecuing, and also swigging lager.
Germans -bratwurst.
Dutch - cheese.
Indians, Pakistanis - curry.
Chinese - dogs.
Black people - fried chicken.

Even within the UK, there are streotypes of Northerners being ''fat, pie eaters'', and Scottish eating haggis, fried mars bars and being whisky drinkers.
There's nothing prejudiced about these if they are humourously referenced.

Watermelons, apparently, are a fruit that black people are stereotyped to like; Obama is half black; so it's only an attempted joke on that as far as I can see.
If the president was of Italian descent, and someone said ''I'm just going to out and get [president's name] food'' meaning pizza, surely nobody could be that uptight to consider that ''racist'' ? So why is this any different ?

So, there used to be some mocking depictions of black people eating watermelon in the old days ? So what ? That was decades ago. Ancient history.

Why do so many Americans seem incapable of moving on from something in the distant past ? Why perpetuate racial ''problems'' that aren't there ?

Comments about Irish and potatoes have far more of a directly offensive historical connotation than a few mocking cartoons, yet it's not uncommon to hear references made about Irish and potatoes, which a lot of Irish take in good part, because it relates to something a long time ago.

Many Americans need to take a look at their attitudes towards race, and to realise that constantly bringing up non-issues like this one is divisive and counter-productive to the anti-racist stance that they claim to hold.
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