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The future of the present russian weapons !!

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posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by Scorpion
The Bloody extremest Mr.Russian

Be sure that I don't hold any hate agints russia in any way !! Infact I usually stand in the defender position for russia espesielly when it comes to weapons and technology , so don't distribute accusations on people randomly !!

and we are hear talking about (reality) and prospecting the future of these deadly massive weapons !!


Note that I am not going to kick you out of my thread as you did ,beacuse I am open minded and far a way from being an extremest as you



Ok , Returning to the subject

thank you all for posting your opinions , and I found a wonderful article about the russian Defence budget from the mid 80's until 2003


www.globalsecurity.org...

And I have couple of qustions :

who knowes the russian competitor for the F-22 fighter ?!

and does the russian air force have any kind of Stealth fighter or bomber ?!







That proves that Russia doesn't have the money like it used too before so that means its research and development will be slow and difficult an example of this is the mig-35 which is the F-22 counterpart the mig has been on the drawing board for a number of years and the program has been on and off due to budget cutbacks the way its going this plane will never be mass produced. And russia doent have a stealth bomber or a stealth fighter.

[edit on 18-6-2004 by WestPoint23]




posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by Scorpion
1. who knowes the russian competitor for the F-22 fighter ?!
2. does the russian air force have any kind of Stealth fighter or bomber ?!

1. i would say, su-30mk or su 32/34

2. they do have stealth, first of all, our famous plasma stealth. second, radar absorbing material. third, sacar technology:


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and not only for planes but for cities too or basically you can shield anything:

Link

anything that goes through sphere vaporizes
there goes our missile defence

[edit on 18-6-2004 by titus]



posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 04:03 PM
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really they do not have stealth name one of their aircraft that does and the plasma pictures look really nice but thats all they are pictures no real life prototype no real life reasearch on it an i can draw pictures too but unles they are real its just a nice drawing.



posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
really they do not have stealth name one of their aircraft that does and the plasma pictures look really nice but thats all they are pictures no real life prototype no real life reasearch on it an i can draw pictures too but unles they are real its just a nice drawing.


"The plasma generator was tested first on flying models and then on actual aircraft. The new Su-27IB strike aircraft (known in export - certainly without the plasma generator - as the Su-32) utilizes the system and is likely the first production combat aircraft with this critical technology.
this answers your "they do not have stealth, name one of their aircraft that does"

nice drawings? of course nice! but these are not plasma pictures, these are 'Scalar Electromagnetics in action' pictures

Read THIS BOOK, then research on net for few weeks and only then you may come back and argue on the topic of Scalar Electromagnetics, Quantum Weapons etc.

there is no point arguing when someone doesnt really know what he (in this case YOU) is arguing about


ps: i recommend watching this 55 min presentation Tom gave in 1985 on Soviet Weather Engineering Over North America.



posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 06:14 PM
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russia doent have Scalar Electromagnetics, no one does not even the US and i f u believe that russia does have them u are a product of russian propaganda.



posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
russia doent have Scalar Electromagnetics, no one does not even the US and i f u believe that russia does have them u are a product of russian propaganda.


you think so? here we go, who has them:
1. Russia (KGB)
2. China
3. Brazil
4. nation friendly to US #1 (maybe... Israel)
5. nation friendly to US #2
6. France
7. Japanese mafia

thats seven countries, thats enough. but... NO USA


Scalar interferometry, Tesla howitzer, Tesla dome, heat/cold, dudding, 10 nations have them, dead-man fusing & Insane Systems, scalar strategy, earthquakes and weather wars, solar storms, mind attacks, leased to Yakuza, many examples of testing, quantum potential weapons.

wow, he says 10 nations, somewhere else he says 15 if you need ill find where

In short, Russell, the Secretary of Defense of the United States confirmed that there are indeed novel kinds of EM weapons, right now and have been for some time, which have been and are being used to (1) initiate earthquakes, (2) engineer the weather and climate, and (3) initiate the eruption of volcanoes. We wrote about those exact uses of the weaponry decades ago. Several nations now have such weapons. Three of them (two on one side and the other on a hostile side) are even firing practice shots into Western Australia, as a convenient test range."

thats enough

convinced? not? need more proof??



posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 06:31 PM
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i repeat,

Read THIS BOOK, then research on net for few weeks and only then you may come back and argue



posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 07:46 PM
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I found these pictures for the F-22 competitor Mig-35 :








and her is some of its features :

"The MAPO-MiG enterprise claims the new fighter would be able to outperform the F-22 Raptor, the most advanced US air-superiority fighter. Although the primary mission of the MFI is air-superiority, unlike the F-22 the MFI is also capable of performing strike mission, and thus in both conception and configuration is more directly comparable to the similar multi-role EFA2000 Eurofighter. Like the American F-22, the MFI has a thrust vectoring system that allows it to make sharp turns. It also has similar stealth capabilities, with the canard, wing and fuselage structures incorporating carbon-fiber and polymer composite materials. Other stealth features include radar-absorbing covering, screening of radar-visible structure elements, and reduced heat signature. The fifth-generation pulse-doppler radar has a phased-array andtenna with electronic scanning to simultaneously attack over 20 targets. The aircraft can carry long-range air-to-air and air-to-surface guided missiles, and it is armed with a 30-mm cannon.



posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 08:18 PM
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im not even going to comment on how ridiculus your list is and the mig 35 will not be mass produced because lack of money.



posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 11:44 PM
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money just mean pieces of papers

Only resouce were needed to make a fighter,not money.

Money is important in peace time,but not in war time.

In the war time,money mean nothing.Janpan have lots of money,but it has no resource.Without U.S's protection ,Japan will be easily invaded by Russia today.

U.S waste lots of money to make F-22,but they are useless in peace time.

Russia just make sure that they have the same tech to make F-22 like.



posted on Jun, 19 2004 @ 05:29 PM
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Russia dosent have money to build the Mig-35

Not true you have to give a contract to a company so u need money.

Its just as important in war time but sadly russia is broke in war and peace time.

Yeah thats what the russian's thought in the russo-japan war thats why it got its azz kicked by japan


At least we have an aircraft like the F-22 operational not just a drawing on a paper.

And sadly russia has nothing that can compete with the F-22.

[edit on 19-6-2004 by WestPoint23]

[edit on 22-6-2004 by WestPoint23]



posted on Jun, 19 2004 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
And sadly russia has nothing that can compete with the F-22.
[edit on 19-6-2004 by WestPoint23]


nothing?

we have Su-47.

dont tell me that we dont have money to build it, its only a testbed for future pak fa wich will be build in 2005-06

And sadly usa has nothing that can compete with our quantum weapons



posted on Jun, 19 2004 @ 07:03 PM
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Umm...watch your spelling please. I hardly could read that. I think Russia will develop new and advanced weapons if not already they have, and locked them up somewhere in a bunker.



posted on Jun, 19 2004 @ 10:33 PM
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I need facts ppl not some bunker on an imaginary land somewhere and the Berkut is not a production fighter it is an experiment russian governement said that Su-37 didnt fit their needs. also quantum weapons don't even get me started on that.

[edit on 19-6-2004 by WestPoint23]



posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
also quantum weapons don't even get me started on that.


why? lets start
, im all ready

maybe few days later, cuz ill be off camping



posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 06:54 AM
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If russia did have the most technological weapons it would be quite scary looking at its evil history. But the sad but true fact is that the next leading global powers in the coming century are going to be China and India, especially china with its insain population and its amazing technology, theyre economy is skyrocketing! Also how can russia be so powerfull if they are killing eachother and are dying from poverty and harsh weather. Also how can a country that cant even control a small area (Chechnya) lead the world.



posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 11:34 AM
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Hey BiffReagle I don't think the US could've controled Chechenya (spelling?) either.
In fact the cells in Chechenya are more organised than those in Irak.

So the US (the present dominant superpower) could have done nothing.
Moreover, recent studies show that cells like those in Irak and Grozny could cause major casualties in an organised army especially in urban areas so you can't really base your opinion on that.

China and India? The world may be their's but it's impossible before 100 years : all there good equipment is imported and there's no change in the near future and spare me the laugh before I start talking about their units' training.



posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 12:50 PM
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can anyone briefly describe those "quantum" weapons

I mean the book is 472 pages long



posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 01:20 PM
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I don't think India is the next superpower because all or most of their tech is imported and they have also a population problem and they are dying of diseases left and right. also china's tech is imported too and if we look back in history whenever a country grows that much in a short period and implosion occurs and they cant even feed their ppl let alone be a superpower.



posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 11:21 PM
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There was no training or war with russian and USA for many years, so we can not say that russian or USA weapons are better.

BUT few years ago russian plains(Su) fly near by USA carriers.

BUT USA pilots of F-18 and f-16 does not have strength: "stealth", to do something like that!!!!



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