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So which party are you voting for in November?

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posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
And somehow we need to get rid of lobbyists and lobbyist and think-tank written laws, and instate strict term limits. People who stay in their seats for decades and do nothing else in life are highly unlikely to vote for term limits, eh?

Congress and the senate were never intended to be full-time jobs and lifelong careers. Turnover is key. Fresh ideas and less corruption.


Oh, how I wish... Nothing would make me happier, in fact. Someone who has been a senator or representative for 15, 20 or more years is more likely to be stuck in their ways and resistant to new ideas than someone who's been there for a shorter span of time. Granted not all new ideas are good ideas, but being resistant to change isn't exactly an asset in an ever changing world.

While we're at it, I'd like to take away Congress' ability to vote themselves raises too. We pay their salaries through taxes, we should get some say in whether they get a raise or not and Congressmen who do nothing but campaign for half their term and play political games the other half do not deserve raises. Ever.




posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity

And somehow we need to get rid of lobbyists and lobbyist and think-tank written laws, and instate strict term limits. People who stay in their seats for decades and do nothing else in life are highly unlikely to vote for term limits, eh?



You and I both know that neither of those three things is ever going to happen without a revolution of some kind.

And a revolution involving TV nascar watchin, potato chip eatin, bud drinking, fatassed Americans is about unlikely as as this guy getting elected.

The GOP will more than likely sweep the midterms, the Republicans will pat themselves on the back as the machine tosses them under the bus once again. And the progressives will sharpen their knives!



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posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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What we need to do is figure out a way to get term limits imposed. First, this needs to be overturned: In May 1995, the United States Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in U.S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton, 514 U.S. 779 (1995) that states cannot impose term limits upon their federal Representatives or Senators.

Barring the apparent pipedream of term limits, we can at the very least shoot for getting the voters' paradigms on voting in incumbents year after year to shift.

As for their salaries, wouldn't it be cool if the people of a state could decide whether their senators and representatives deserved a raise or not? With full disclosure of voting record, salary, and benefits open to public review at that time? This might get them to pay more attention than the elections do.
 

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A revolution...of some kind indeed. We're creative people. I bet we could think of a way to evolve this government into more of a representative body.


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posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa
And a revolution involving TV nascar watchin, potato chip eatin, bud drinking, fatassed Americans is about unlikely as as this guy getting elected.


Depending on the other options available to me come November, I'd totally consider voting for that guy.




Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Barring the apparent pipedream of term limits, we can at the very least shoot for getting the voters' paradigms on voting in incumbents year after year to shift.


That's something I doubt will ever be accomplished. Too many people are content to just vote for the name the remember or the best-looking option than focus long enough to discover if any given politicians stance on any given issue is compatible with their own stance on it. Heck, my own grandfather voted for someone whose name he couldn't even pronounce just because he could remember the name by looking at it... :bnghd:


As for their salaries, wouldn't it be cool if the people of a state could decide whether their senators and representatives deserved a raise or not? With full disclosure of voting record, salary, and benefits open to public review at that time? This might get them to pay more attention than the elections do.


Absolutely, not the anyone in Congress would go for it. Too big a risk that people would start asking for their pay to be decreased.



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 08:29 PM
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The states need to assert more of their rights in both these areas and over the limits of the federal government in general. There appears to be some wiggle room here (I'm no attorney), if approached that way. I think too many people and even states are intimidated by a federal government that has far outgrown its stated mission. Challenging the SCOTUS decision would be a good start.



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 08:47 PM
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Yeah, cut thier pay and give em OBAMA CARE. I want to work at a old folks home facility, a nurse in trainning, where all the senators go, so i can practice my skills on them. needles, tubes, machines, diapers, exsersise, sleep, and so forth. I do beleive this would be a fun job to do, with many laughs. I CAINT WAIT TO GO TO SCHOOL.



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 09:55 PM
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Republican and democrat = same thing.we should all vote independant and get rid of everybody thats in office now.Im tired of the same old lies year after year.we need to clean house and start over.and prevent people from being in office more than 2 terms.and stop corporate america from being able to throw money at them like they do. OF THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE.



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 10:00 PM
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I plan on voting for the Anarchist party. They are the only ones committed to the real issues at this point.



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 10:07 PM
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I'm doing the same thing you are doing. Voting out all incumbents.

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posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Jenna
What your post shows is that the democrats can do no wrong in your eyes so long as you can point fingers at the republicans. What I'm trying to explain to you, though my explanations are apparently falling on deaf ears, is that neither side is any better than the other not even when they're your precious democrats.

...Now, can we get back on topic? Or are you going to insist on further derailing this thread?


First...The only thing I insist on is honesty and your post was not that. Honest debate is not derailing a thread, but rather making sure folks are not bringing BS to the thread obfuscating the path to real understanding.

"The Dems have had control of Congress for four years, at least!"
No part of that statement is accurate. The GOP in the seession of congress following the dems taking the majority of 51 to 49, filibustered more in the following session than any previous session in history, nearly twice the amount of times the Dems did in the previous session and even the links you supplied in rebuttal support that.

Second...the whole "dems can do no wrong in my eyes ...and precious dems...nothing more than partisan BS and unfounded. Perhaps hit the "thread" button on this post and see where in this thread alone I have called...even provided a long list...of corrupt Dems that must go and stated plainly that the Dem party sucks.

But it is not an either or equation...or an equal one...it is simply an examination of the facts and circumstances of the past few years that leads me to the opinion that while the Dems suck...the GOP is a viscious, self interested, greedy party that consistently prioritizes corporate interests and politics over public interest and lies consistently to the American people...the Dems are not innocent of these sins, but for the GOP it is standard practice and policy.



Originally posted by Jenna
then I looked at your registration date and had an epiphany. Sure enough, you registered while Bush was still in office and presumably were reading political threads here when you first registered. The threads you likely read were about Bush, since he was president and there were a lot of them back then, and I was quite vocal about my dislike for the man and pretty much all of his policies.

So long as I was voicing discontent for a republican, you liked my posts. Now that I'm voicing it about democrats, seeing as how I hate both parties equally, you don't like my posts anymore. It's all so clear to me now. Yet I'm the one accused of not being honest or truthful anymore.


[edit on 22-7-2010 by Jenna]


Careful of assumptions...

I did not "know you" when I first registered. I registered to comment on the Ohare UFO incident which is nearby to me and I knew witnesses at the time and took interest.

My prior opinion of you was based on multiple posts you made in the prior year or so. We even corresponded via u2u once or twice and despite having different opinions I formed the opinion that you were one to prioritize facts over political leanings and respected that. I posted in support of your thread about posters who retreat to "what does a girl know" when losing a debate.

My dissapointment with you here is that you have repeated near verbatum rhetoric that comes from Rush and Glenn..."The Dems have had control of congress for 4 years, it's all thier fault"...when the truth is that they have not had "Control" but rather a slim "majority"...and the GOP has proved that the Dems do not have control by Fillibustering everything!! The GOP admits this proudly with the "Socialist" rhetoric and claiming it is thier job to "Stop" the Dems at every turn, when in reality they simply aim to not let any bill pass unless it serves thier lobbyist intersts.

For you to continue to claim the whole "Dems have had CONTROL of Congress for four years"...when every bit of evidence and the daily news show otherwise, IMO it plants you squarly in the GOP rhetoric corner rather than the objective observer.



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posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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Oh come off it now. This is beyond ridiculous and I'm through playing this game with you. You pulled one sentence from my first post in this thread and have harped on it for pages now even after I explained that i rounded up to the nearest year. Let it go. It wasn't me lying, it wasn't me stretching the truth, it wasn't proof that i no longer care about truth, it sure as hell wasn't me parroting anyone else considering i don't even watch any tv at all anymore unless you count an episode of spongebob with my kids between work and bed time, and it wasn't whatever other accusations you'd care to throw at me. For the love of all that is holy get off me already. I rounded up. I didn't break into the louvre and steal the mona lisa.

Siding with me or however you put it in one thread don't give you license to harp on the same thing for days on end. Get over it all ready, it was an estimation that was off by less than six months not a lie.



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 12:39 PM
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Just one line in this thread? ...Nope. you posted the same thing in other places.
Control?...No..or as Boehner likes to say "Hell No!"
Four years?...No

Owning your mistatements? Several posts and apperently not.

The claim that the "dems have had control of Congress for 4 years, at least" is not reality...and not just rounding up.

Here's the thing...and this applies to political discourse in this country as a whole, the dems, the GOP, the TP ...everyone.

Even if you don't like me, even if you disagree...the truth should still trump everything and when we cross the line we should own it.

Because it is not OK to BS...its not ok to stretch the truth ...even if you personally believe you are serving a greater good by doing so.

Everytime a talking head edits a video out of context, gets some woman fired, takes liberty with legal language and claims death panels and microchips, takes quotes or a speech out of context, puts forth another fake BC ...and every other form of dishonesty..etc. etc. they tell themselves it's OK to BS because they just know in their heart that the Dems...the GOP...the POTUS...whoever ..is just bad for this country....so it's OK to lie and stretch the truth if they can bring a few more folks over to thier side. IT IS NOT OK AND WE SHOULD NEVER TOLERATE IT...NONE OF US.

BS is bad for this country and at present, BS in political debate is a rampant toxic disease, real objective journalism is on life support, celebrities posing as political commentators are looked to as beacons of truth, gossip trumps issues and the truth is subjageted to political agenda.

This country has seen more genuine propaganda in the past few years than any communist dictatorship ever produced and anytime any news org tries to point out the BS, they are derided with a snort as "MSM"..in propagandist philosophy this is called "removing the referee"...comunist dictatorships do this by shutting down news orgs, Sarah Palin does this by telling followers that MSM can never be trusted... It's a broad brush that includes all tenured news sources and leaves what? Blogs!!!! and Fox and Rush and Glen....Propaganda. I have run out of patience.

I will not apologize for pointing BS when I see it. It is not OK.

I am "off of you" and won't post to you again.

Peace.



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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Your examples are a bit extreme but it's true..

We're screwed no matter how we vote.

Can't we have a moderate party? I know that doesn't work for everything.. but when it comes to politics I prefer a moderate politicians who makes decisions based on logic and not political ideals.



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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We are screwed if we can't put aside political labels and affiliations and continue to vote in incumbents. Mix it up and some good might come of it.

If you feel your vote is being wasted anyway, at least put it to some good use where there's a sliver of a chance of making a difference...or the start of one.



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11
Just one line in this thread? ...Nope. you posted the same thing in other places.


No worries, I saw where you tracked down a post from a month ago where I asked if it had been four years.



Control?...No..or as Boehner likes to say "Hell No!"
Four years?...No


The only one I see pitching a fit over the word 'control' as opposed to 'majority' is you.


Owning your mistatements? Several posts and apperently not.



Originally posted by Jenna
They were elected in 2006, it is now 2010. Did I calculate it exactly down to the day? No. If you want to be completely technical about it, they've been in control for 3 years, 6 months, and 18 days. I didn't realize rounding up to the nearest year would completely invalidate my entire post.


From my first response to you once I got to a computer instead of using my phone. Lie much?


Because it is not OK to BS...its not ok to stretch the truth ...even if you personally believe you are serving a greater good by doing so.


Never said it was. Any other baseless accusations you'd like to toss my way?


I will not apologize for pointing BS when I see it. It is not OK.


When it's actually BS you're pointing out, fine. When it's you attacking one sentence from one post in this thread, and then finding it posed as a question in another thread a month ago and claiming I'm just repeating the same 'lie' over again when I rounded up by 6 freaking months no it's not ok. When you use that one sentence where I rounded up 6 freaking months to attack my character, honesty, integrity, and accuse me of repeating whatever Rush and whoever else say, no it's not ok. When you take a thread off-topic with your nonsensical off-topic ranting because you apparently feel a need to discredit me, no it's not ok. Quit nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking and save your self-righteous indignation for times when people actually are lying and/or hiding the facts and not for blatantly obvious cases of rounding up by six freaking months.


I am "off of you" and won't post to you again.


Hallelujah. It only took two days and me repeating myself 4 times and you still won't acknowledge that I already defended my 4 years comment...



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 01:45 PM
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I'm not voting. I have no right to, and refuse to, contribute to the empowerment of any individual to exercise authority over you. Doing so is an immoral act.

Nevermind the fact that, regardless of the "real" outcome of an election, the establishment slavemasters will continue doing as they please. You can change the puppets all you want, but the puppeteers will still be pulling the same strings.

Not only is voting immoral, it is also simply a foolish waste of time.



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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I'm voting for the Keg Party. I wanna get wasted!.
S+F if you agree!



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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None of the above!

I would love to see this idea take off.

VOTE None Of The Above

I don't think it would ever happen, but it would sure change a lot!!



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 02:06 PM
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I never vote by party, and unfortunately I live in a state where you must vote by party in the primary. All that seems to accomplish is label you for the next onslaught of campaign junk mail, which is looked at and throw in the recycling bin.
I decide how I would want the office/position/seat run, what views I hold to be important, and pick the best person to represent me.

I think that's what we are supposed to do, hire our representatives. Incumbants who did not represent me, and I vote against them, if there is someone who represents me better. Incumbant doing a good job, I'll vote him back. If I don't like anyone, I'll vote for the underdog.

Like it or not, it's how we hire our reps. If you have no voice in choosing them because you do not vote, you have no right to complain about those who "win".
Now if only that could be enforced.......



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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Any of those that vote for increased spending when China laughs and rubs their hands together and owns more of us.

There is going to be a reckoning I think. And both Republicans and Democrats are responsible.

Unfortunately these career politicians are too stupid to realize WHY they are going to be out af a job come November.

The public treasury is not a #ing checkbook to spend on what you wish, assholes, and congress is going to feel it in November,



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