ATS News: Border Security, Part One: Sheriff Joe Arpaio, page 2


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reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 04:28 PM by Stewie
reply to post by mothershipzeta

I see your link is bilingual. I guess they are not supporters of "English" as the official language, huh?
I know what a smear campaign looks like, but thanks for illustrating it so well.


reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 04:33 PM by sweetliberty
reply to post by mryanbrown


Thank you for your reply mryanbrown.

You know it is sad that we have to come to shedding blood! We ARE better than that and things could be handled better on both sides (the government and the state).
I also believe there is no rationalizing with the government anymore, they have their own agenda. So, for instance, the State of Arizona, is own their own if they want a better way of life.

Even now, the government will not cooperate with the state.
It's turned into a dog eat dog state of mind due to so much injustice and desperation and not solely with immigration issues.




reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 04:59 PM by maria_stardust
reply to post by Stewie



I see your link is bilingual. I guess they are not supporters of "English" as the official language, huh?


The main page is in English with an option to view the same information in Spanish. Many sites do this, it's no big deal. I'm curious, though. If this particular site was available only in English, would that make the information contained therein any more valid? Of course, it wouldn't.

The source listed is actually quite insightful regarding Sheriff Joe Arpaio. It not only provides a wealth of facts from various news sources, it also cites this sources in great detail for those who wish to follow up.

All in all, it is a scathing depiction of the man in a unflattering light. It also provides a context that sheds light upon his stance regarding the issue of illegal immigration in relation to the two videos.

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reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 05:13 PM by poet1b
reply to post by maria_stardust


I looked through their sources and they are nothing but a bunch of opinion pieces. They give no source that I could find on the crime statistics, nor what these claims were based upon.

The link looks to me to be nothing but a character assassination attempt.


reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 05:53 PM by warequalsmurder
Hitler turned Germany's financial situation into a success story and a large percentage of people in his country got behind him as a result.

Following Sheriff Arpaio would be a similar poison to swallow and without the success story to rally behind to boot.

-He is responsible for several miscarriaged babies (by sticking pregnant women into desert tents where heat regularly goes above 110 degrees).

-His goons (prison guards, and cops) regularly beat people to death, all with his support and blessing.

-He forces humans to be herded like cattle into tent communities that resemble concentration camps (even those not proven guilty and awaiting trial).

-He uses prison slave labor chain gangs to clean rich neighborhoods when election time comes around. Emphasis on CHAIN GANGS.

-He is a megalomaniac that forces prisoners to watch his deranged thoughts on conservative lifestyles that he believes they too should live.

-He is presently under FBI investigation for politically motivated and "bogus" prosecutions.

-And his list of human rights abuses are a mile long.


He is the epitome of what a Sheriff should not be. In fact, He is more akin to those old hick cops that used to beat up minorities for fun during the early to mid part of the 20th century, at the height of racial segregation here in the US.

I repeat, following this madman is like following Hitler.

I'm all for getting tough on illegals and securing our borders. But we can use sane people to do this, not crazy madmen.

Also, in the course of cracking down on illegals, I certainly do not wish on them the inhumane conditions that he regularly forces our legal citizens into, because those illegals would have similar if not worse treatment to look forward to at that hands of Sheriff Arpaio. That would be totally unacceptable treatment.

Securing our borders (which I am in favor of) should not include sinking down into animalistic behavior that the likes of Sheriff Arpaio would foster.








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reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 06:44 PM by burdman30ott6
reply to post by warequalsmurder


Well, actually I took everything you posted in your list of "ArpaiOffenses" with a grain of salt as you failed to source a single one. I'm interested in actual facts, not so much superlative assumptions and unfounded accusations.

For what it's worth, I lived for 6 years in AZ and never had any issues with Joe's methodology at all. Presumably I was in the majority of opinion on my attitude towards Joe, as he keeps getting re-elected by majority vote.


reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 07:02 PM by glad_to_be_His
reply to post by Tenbatsu


My experience here has taught me that if you suggest folks do their research and make claims yourself, you should probably supply some links that back up what you say.

Not intended as a criticism, merely a suggestion.


reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 07:25 PM by arizonascott
reply to post by AboveTopSecret.com


4 months ago! I said it, I said it, and I said it!

This "is" intentional! I was born and have lived in Arizona all my life!

If you don't think the new Arizona "illegal immigrant profile" law isn't to get a rise out of the (12,000,000) that are already here you are crazy!

This new law is designed to get a border conflict brewing!

They need a new 9/11 and something to put in the mind of American's like the oppression of the Middle East and the attacks on Israel which is really caused as everyone knows by the constant movement of the Israeli border into Palestine.

That is what 9/11 was all about - making America scared and terrified of the Middle East terrorist cell enemy.

Well, support has vanished because of the obvious never ending meat grinder that is Iraq! Iran has failed over and over because of the allies supporting them like Russia and China! So- what is next?

Mexico - a political system falling apart with the excuse of "drug wars"

What could be closer to home than a bunch of "so called" U.S. trained drug cartel specialists attacking the border with our own U.S. trained tactics. If you don't think loyal Mexican citizens have been trained for war by our own military you better look again!

I said months ago this tension would increase! That you would see more death on the border, more infiltration, and more American's going to support the issue. Now you have skinheads or White Supremacy going into the desert looking for trouble. You have corrupt Mexican military/police on the take and giving positions!

This is exactly what they need - new - Donald Rumsfelds and their like!

This is only going to get bigger and more out of control as this goes on. Remember the goal is to get America "fearful" again.

This is intentional distraction - and pretty soon - no one will be able to ignore it. If you think this is about drugs - you’re crazy!

Drugs have come in on our own officials backs for over 20 years!


They wanted a new 9/11 - slowly but surely they are getting it! What they are bringing in on top of it "all" is unknown - but it will be a bigger "pop" than a few drug smugglers! Wake up!

Look back at history - Mexico and Germany - now we "they" are funding a deceptional lie bigger than all of us can imagine!

Nothing else that is posted will put "the reality" on this more than my truth as an (Arizonan)!

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reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 07:44 PM by warequalsmurder
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to post by warequalsmurder


Well, actually I took everything you posted in your list of "ArpaiOffenses" with a grain of salt as you failed to source a single one. I'm interested in actual facts, not so much superlative assumptions and unfounded accusations.


Oh ok, one grain of salt coming up.

www.kpho.com... = FBI investigations of bogus prosecutions.

www.amnesty.org... = Chain Gangs for Adults and Minors under Arapaio

www.ronpaulforums.com... = baby miscarriages

www.phoenixnewtimes.com...&page=1 = more mothers filing suits for baby miscarriages

www.phoenixnewtimes.com... = fatal inmate beating ( Scott Norberg)

tripatlas.com... = another fatal inmate beating (Brian Crenshaw)

arizona.indymedia.org... another fatal inmate beating (Clint Yarbrouh)

www.ranker.com... = breaking of a paraplegic's neck for Christ's sake.(Richard Post)

www.azcentral.com... = diabetic inmate died from neglect (Deborah Braillard)

And these are just a few as the list goes on and on. As does the evidence that you support a madman.

Salt anyone?






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reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 09:23 PM by truthquest
Originally posted by Retseh
- understand that all he is trying to do is enforce the law, people talk as if what he is doing is illegal.


Yes that is all he is trying to do. Enforce the law. If all you are trying to do is drive to work and you run over five old ladies in the process on purpose because they were in the way and you have things to do, you are the scum of the Earth even though you are technically just doing your job. Likewise, when Arpaio kidnaps and possibly tortures his political opponents as part of his job that makes him the scum of the Earth. Kidnapping and torture are illegal, so yes, what he is doing is illegal.



A little discussed item also happens to be the fact that Arpaio has several close relatives who are members of minorities, people he welcomes into his family.

Well that hasn't been discussed because nobody is going to slap the race card on Arpaio on ATS. Rather. Dick Cheney is probably not a racist either but does that impress you? There are plenty of criminals out there that are not racist.


Ultimately I fear that the media hysteria surrounding his actions will prove too much for him, and he will stand down. If that happens, all the residents of Arizona, myself included will be the worse off for it.

No, you won't be any worse off, as Arpaio has not accomplished anything good in his district. Torture does not prevent crimes. Restitution and rehabilitation do.


We need help with our illegal immigration problems, and right now Joe is the only one who is actually doing ANYTHING.

Doing something isn't good enough. You have to be doing something to make the problem better rather than worse. And of course Arpaio is making the problem worse. You may as well say Obama is "doing something" about our national debt problem because he is planning on taking out more debt.

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reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 09:27 PM by Helmkat
reply to post by arizonascott


You bring up an interesting question regarding "lessons learned" from our current wars. I'm no expert but its clear that when there is a target for zealots and extremists they are apt to move toward the conflict. So this could all go down something like this...

-Hit squads from both sides of the border start mixing it up. Dead on both sides (Mexican Cartel and US Militia) start stacking up.

-Our military seems unable to stop either side "Gosh we always arrive just a moment too late."

-Mexican and US politicans bang pots and make lots of noise but nothing really seems to be stopping.

Meanwhile behind the scenes

-Americans and Mexicans in power slap each other on the back for a "job well done". Turns out two birds are being killed with one stone, drug cartels are getting a black eye from the militas and the most extreme of American militas are all in one area and getting their numbers reduced through combat with the cartels.

Win-Win for TPTB.
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