ATS News: Border Security, Part One: Sheriff Joe Arpaio

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posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 04:28 PM
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reply to post by mothershipzeta
 

I see your link is bilingual. I guess they are not supporters of "English" as the official language, huh?
I know what a smear campaign looks like, but thanks for illustrating it so well.




posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 04:33 PM
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Thank you for your reply mryanbrown.

You know it is sad that we have to come to shedding blood! We ARE better than that and things could be handled better on both sides (the government and the state).
I also believe there is no rationalizing with the government anymore, they have their own agenda. So, for instance, the State of Arizona, is own their own if they want a better way of life.

Even now, the government will not cooperate with the state.
It's turned into a dog eat dog state of mind due to so much injustice and desperation and not solely with immigration issues.




posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 04:59 PM
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I see your link is bilingual. I guess they are not supporters of "English" as the official language, huh?


The main page is in English with an option to view the same information in Spanish. Many sites do this, it's no big deal. I'm curious, though. If this particular site was available only in English, would that make the information contained therein any more valid? Of course, it wouldn't.

The source listed is actually quite insightful regarding Sheriff Joe Arpaio. It not only provides a wealth of facts from various news sources, it also cites this sources in great detail for those who wish to follow up.

All in all, it is a scathing depiction of the man in a unflattering light. It also provides a context that sheds light upon his stance regarding the issue of illegal immigration in relation to the two videos.

[edit on 7/21/2010 by maria_stardust]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 05:13 PM
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I looked through their sources and they are nothing but a bunch of opinion pieces. They give no source that I could find on the crime statistics, nor what these claims were based upon.

The link looks to me to be nothing but a character assassination attempt.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 05:25 PM
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I watched the speech by the Sheriff, it was pretty interesting, thanks for filming/uploading.

I tried to watch the "observation" part though, and it said it has been removed, and I just got a FOX News video come up instead.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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Although this is an issue worthy of debate...

I feel this website's management shouldn't become political and shouldn't promote stories or be making videos at all.

What if you (ats) post a video or do a story on something the government considers terrorism, and they come hunt down every member of ATS for paying material support to a terrorist organization?

Let the members contribute! We do a good enough job. Don't tell us what to look at. If you (the management) want to contribute make a member account.

What if a bit torrent site allowed direct downloads of pirated software, instead of links to torrent files? That site would be illegal and members of the site would be considered criminal... I can just see this getting ugly and I see it as a way of pushing a point of view on your members.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 05:53 PM
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Hitler turned Germany's financial situation into a success story and a large percentage of people in his country got behind him as a result.

Following Sheriff Arpaio would be a similar poison to swallow and without the success story to rally behind to boot.

-He is responsible for several miscarriaged babies (by sticking pregnant women into desert tents where heat regularly goes above 110 degrees).

-His goons (prison guards, and cops) regularly beat people to death, all with his support and blessing.

-He forces humans to be herded like cattle into tent communities that resemble concentration camps (even those not proven guilty and awaiting trial).

-He uses prison slave labor chain gangs to clean rich neighborhoods when election time comes around. Emphasis on CHAIN GANGS.

-He is a megalomaniac that forces prisoners to watch his deranged thoughts on conservative lifestyles that he believes they too should live.

-He is presently under FBI investigation for politically motivated and "bogus" prosecutions.

-And his list of human rights abuses are a mile long.


He is the epitome of what a Sheriff should not be. In fact, He is more akin to those old hick cops that used to beat up minorities for fun during the early to mid part of the 20th century, at the height of racial segregation here in the US.

I repeat, following this madman is like following Hitler.

I'm all for getting tough on illegals and securing our borders. But we can use sane people to do this, not crazy madmen.

Also, in the course of cracking down on illegals, I certainly do not wish on them the inhumane conditions that he regularly forces our legal citizens into, because those illegals would have similar if not worse treatment to look forward to at that hands of Sheriff Arpaio. That would be totally unacceptable treatment.

Securing our borders (which I am in favor of) should not include sinking down into animalistic behavior that the likes of Sheriff Arpaio would foster.








[edit on 21-7-2010 by warequalsmurder]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 06:22 PM
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Don't want to be stuck in a sweltering tent prison? Don't commit crimes in Maricopa County... simple as that. I don't understand where the idea that jail should be comfortable in the USA came from. I can assure you the Founding Fathers wouldn't take umbrage with Joe Arpaio because in their day this country executed most theives, rapist, and murderers. (Not to mention witches, adulterers, and in a handfull of cases, heretics.)

Joe's tent cities would have been welcomed by most convicts on the 18th century over the dungeonous pits or executioner's stare they would have faced when the Constitution was penned.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Don't want to be stuck in a sweltering tent prison? Don't commit crimes in Maricopa County... simple as that. I don't understand where the idea that jail should be comfortable in the USA came from. I can assure you the Founding Fathers wouldn't take umbrage with Joe Arpaio because in their day this country executed most theives, rapist, and murderers. (Not to mention witches, adulterers, and in a handfull of cases, heretics.)

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Tell that to the dead babies who didn't commit those crimes.

And acording to the FBI, many of those inmates might never have committed those crimes to begin with.

How about, all regular humans avoid Maricopa County for their general safety and well being, simple as that?

Nice cherry picking though.






[edit on 21-7-2010 by warequalsmurder]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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Hello ATSers,

I'm new here, first post on ATS.

As far as Joe goes in AZ, he does not have the best reputation. I've heard is involved in all sorts of scandals such as money laundering. The no tolerance stance on prohibition just fuels more money for the system he's involved with.

Simply he's a drain on average folk in arizona that in some way or another have a friend of family member that gets busted for minor crap.

The imprisonment is harsh and even mexicans complain it's worse than their country in ways.

I absolutely do not support Arpaio, but I do support a much easier immigration system into our country. Immigration is difficult for many Mexicans and most times families have to stay behind.

As for whoever, I'm not looking now said just legalize drugs, it would just help our economy. It would put more jobs out there and bring in more taxation instead of needless imprisonment in Arpaio's Hell Hole Prisons.

Really Folks, think about all this. Thank You



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 06:44 PM
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Well, actually I took everything you posted in your list of "ArpaiOffenses" with a grain of salt as you failed to source a single one. I'm interested in actual facts, not so much superlative assumptions and unfounded accusations.

For what it's worth, I lived for 6 years in AZ and never had any issues with Joe's methodology at all. Presumably I was in the majority of opinion on my attitude towards Joe, as he keeps getting re-elected by majority vote.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by mryanbrown

He's an aging, ignorant bigot.

I honestly believe he's Hitler re-incarnated.




I guess our reasoned debate expert has arrived.

Mindless invective like this is why we never make any progress with the illegal immigration situation.

Arpaio - Has minorities in his own family and arrests illegal aliens in workplace sweeps and ships them back home.

Hitler - Espoused total ethnic purity, rounded up and murdered 6 million Jews.

Apparently that's the same thing.

What a world, what a world......



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 07:02 PM
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My experience here has taught me that if you suggest folks do their research and make claims yourself, you should probably supply some links that back up what you say.

Not intended as a criticism, merely a suggestion.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 07:25 PM
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4 months ago! I said it, I said it, and I said it!

This "is" intentional! I was born and have lived in Arizona all my life!

If you don't think the new Arizona "illegal immigrant profile" law isn't to get a rise out of the (12,000,000) that are already here you are crazy!

This new law is designed to get a border conflict brewing!

They need a new 9/11 and something to put in the mind of American's like the oppression of the Middle East and the attacks on Israel which is really caused as everyone knows by the constant movement of the Israeli border into Palestine.

That is what 9/11 was all about - making America scared and terrified of the Middle East terrorist cell enemy.

Well, support has vanished because of the obvious never ending meat grinder that is Iraq! Iran has failed over and over because of the allies supporting them like Russia and China! So- what is next?

Mexico - a political system falling apart with the excuse of "drug wars"

What could be closer to home than a bunch of "so called" U.S. trained drug cartel specialists attacking the border with our own U.S. trained tactics. If you don't think loyal Mexican citizens have been trained for war by our own military you better look again!

I said months ago this tension would increase! That you would see more death on the border, more infiltration, and more American's going to support the issue. Now you have skinheads or White Supremacy going into the desert looking for trouble. You have corrupt Mexican military/police on the take and giving positions!

This is exactly what they need - new - Donald Rumsfelds and their like!

This is only going to get bigger and more out of control as this goes on. Remember the goal is to get America "fearful" again.

This is intentional distraction - and pretty soon - no one will be able to ignore it. If you think this is about drugs - you’re crazy!

Drugs have come in on our own officials backs for over 20 years!


They wanted a new 9/11 - slowly but surely they are getting it! What they are bringing in on top of it "all" is unknown - but it will be a bigger "pop" than a few drug smugglers! Wake up!

Look back at history - Mexico and Germany - now we "they" are funding a deceptional lie bigger than all of us can imagine!

Nothing else that is posted will put "the reality" on this more than my truth as an (Arizonan)!

[edit on 21-7-2010 by arizonascott]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
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Well, actually I took everything you posted in your list of "ArpaiOffenses" with a grain of salt as you failed to source a single one. I'm interested in actual facts, not so much superlative assumptions and unfounded accusations.


Oh ok, one grain of salt coming up.

www.kpho.com... = FBI investigations of bogus prosecutions.

www.amnesty.org... = Chain Gangs for Adults and Minors under Arapaio

www.ronpaulforums.com... = baby miscarriages

www.phoenixnewtimes.com...&page=1 = more mothers filing suits for baby miscarriages

www.phoenixnewtimes.com... = fatal inmate beating ( Scott Norberg)

tripatlas.com... = another fatal inmate beating (Brian Crenshaw)

arizona.indymedia.org... another fatal inmate beating (Clint Yarbrouh)

www.ranker.com... = breaking of a paraplegic's neck for Christ's sake.(Richard Post)

www.azcentral.com... = diabetic inmate died from neglect (Deborah Braillard)

And these are just a few as the list goes on and on. As does the evidence that you support a madman.

Salt anyone?






[edit on 21-7-2010 by warequalsmurder]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by warequalsmurder
And these are just a few as the list goes on and on. As does the evidence that you support a madman.

Salt anyone?


I'll check these links and do some reading. Oh, and it wouldn't be the first (and likely won't be the last) time I support someone who is supposedly a "madman." I stand by Arpaio's tactics.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by Retseh
I guess our reasoned debate expert has arrived.


I'm likening him based upon his means. not his motivations. And if you can honestly claim his methods are not similar to Hitler's. Well then we can discuss this back in reality.

(Not to mention Joe ^5's the NSM (Neo-Nazis))

But hey what do I know? I was only born and raised IN Maricopa county my entire life. I've watched him progress politically. I watch and read his interviews. I watch and read the opposition.

And continually at the end of every headline story, even the ones touting him. You can clearly see his methods are brutal, that he's a fascist bigot, and clearly using his position to convey his moral dogma under the guise of enforcing the will of the people and abiding the law. At the expense of actually doing nothing but primarily, solely targeting Hispanics and turning it into a spectacle of "fluff" speeches poising Citizens against one another. Even so far as to show up in support of racist rally's in who support him politically.

Point in case, Arpaio and National Socialist Movement parades. (Oh neo-Nazis? And his methods are similar to that of the SS?) You're right, he's absolutely nothing like Hitler. Because Hispanics aren't Jews. Other than that, and his ethnic heritage. He's identical.

So yes, you're reasoned debate expert has arrived. Rebut me please.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by Retseh
- understand that all he is trying to do is enforce the law, people talk as if what he is doing is illegal.


Yes that is all he is trying to do. Enforce the law. If all you are trying to do is drive to work and you run over five old ladies in the process on purpose because they were in the way and you have things to do, you are the scum of the Earth even though you are technically just doing your job. Likewise, when Arpaio kidnaps and possibly tortures his political opponents as part of his job that makes him the scum of the Earth. Kidnapping and torture are illegal, so yes, what he is doing is illegal.




A little discussed item also happens to be the fact that Arpaio has several close relatives who are members of minorities, people he welcomes into his family.

Well that hasn't been discussed because nobody is going to slap the race card on Arpaio on ATS. Rather. Dick Cheney is probably not a racist either but does that impress you? There are plenty of criminals out there that are not racist.



Ultimately I fear that the media hysteria surrounding his actions will prove too much for him, and he will stand down. If that happens, all the residents of Arizona, myself included will be the worse off for it.

No, you won't be any worse off, as Arpaio has not accomplished anything good in his district. Torture does not prevent crimes. Restitution and rehabilitation do.



We need help with our illegal immigration problems, and right now Joe is the only one who is actually doing ANYTHING.

Doing something isn't good enough. You have to be doing something to make the problem better rather than worse. And of course Arpaio is making the problem worse. You may as well say Obama is "doing something" about our national debt problem because he is planning on taking out more debt.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by truthquest]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 09:27 PM
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You bring up an interesting question regarding "lessons learned" from our current wars. I'm no expert but its clear that when there is a target for zealots and extremists they are apt to move toward the conflict. So this could all go down something like this...

-Hit squads from both sides of the border start mixing it up. Dead on both sides (Mexican Cartel and US Militia) start stacking up.

-Our military seems unable to stop either side "Gosh we always arrive just a moment too late."

-Mexican and US politicans bang pots and make lots of noise but nothing really seems to be stopping.

Meanwhile behind the scenes

-Americans and Mexicans in power slap each other on the back for a "job well done". Turns out two birds are being killed with one stone, drug cartels are getting a black eye from the militas and the most extreme of American militas are all in one area and getting their numbers reduced through combat with the cartels.

Win-Win for TPTB.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Don't want to be stuck in a sweltering tent prison? Don't commit crimes in Maricopa County... simple as that. I don't understand where the idea that jail should be comfortable in the USA came from. I can assure you the Founding Fathers wouldn't take umbrage with Joe Arpaio because in their day this country executed most theives, rapist, and murderers. (Not to mention witches, adulterers, and in a handfull of cases, heretics.)

Joe's tent cities would have been welcomed by most convicts on the 18th century over the dungeonous pits or executioner's stare they would have faced when the Constitution was penned.


Exactly burdman. I'm the sheriff in my county and have the same exact mindset. Don't want your arms & legs torn off? Don't go over the speed limit in my county, or its only fair that I tear off your arms & legs off, then gouge out your eyes. There are times when people get a day in jail for speeding in my county. When they get to jail, I tear off their arms and legs they won't do it again. And then I burn their gonads off so they cant reproduce... you don't want criminals breeding criminals. America is a nation of laws, not a nation of liberty.

Other people refuse to do this stuff and that is why I need to be the next president.





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