Liberal journalists suggest government shut down Fox News

reply to post by mothershipzeta

Im suprised you dident put Bush on that list

Jokes aside, all of those people were amateurs compared to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. Stalin alone killed more people then all of those "right wing dictators" combined.

Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by Wolfenz
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sorry for being off topic but does this painting if it authentic of the area

doesn't Paul revere looks like Jack Black

sources

totallylookslike.com...

They Could Use Jack Black in a SNL Comedy stint as The NWO is Coming
The NWO is coming..... Bring out the Militias

You're right he does look an awful lot like Jack Black. I wonder if Jack Black knows how much he looks like Paul Revere!

well here something that Jack Black & Paul Revere look like Lou Costello !!! to bad they didn't use him in a Paul Revere Bio Movie... as Jack Black could Play both Costello & Revere! a Funny World ...


The Times of their Lives




[edit on 23-7-2010 by Wolfenz]

reply to post by ~Lucidity

People who reported news in the past took the responsibility seriously and went to great lengths to check facts and eliminate bias to the best of their ability. And people who watched the news came to expect just this. When the shift started, many did not realize it was happening and began to confuse punditry with journalism and to assign punditry more credence than it necessarily deserved.

Those who confuse punditry with news have only themselves to blame.

Those who present punditry as news are deceitful and unethical.

The "Journolist" revelations have made it clear that the left-wingnuts do not respect the dichotomy and seek to capitalize on the public's willful ignorance of the difference.

"Modern journalists" such as those found in the JournoList have no qualms about imposing their views on the unwitting public.

Anyone who supports such distortion of fact, and its presentation as 'truth,' is merely serving the overriding leftist agenda.

Deny ignorance.

jw

Originally posted by jdub297
Those who confuse punditry with news have only themselves to blame.

Those who present punditry as news are deceitful and unethical.

The "Journolist" revelations have made it clear that the left-wingnuts do not respect the dichotomy and seek to capitalize on the public's willful ignorance of the difference.

Congrats. You just engaged in the dissemination of the nation. If you think it's only the "left-wingnuts" that engage in this you are a part of the machine. You will get your Christmas card from the PTB this year.

Deny ignorance.

jw

Indeed.

reply to post by intrepid

Congrats. You just engaged in the dissemination of the nation.

No, I didn't. This was a simple statement of fact. If you have a correlate to "JournoList" among conservatives, please provide it. Otherwise, your post is only more of what I just described.

If you think it's only the "left-wingnuts" that engage in this you are a part of the machine.

Please show me the conservative equivalent of the JournoList. Please. Sadly for you, the facts are enough to establish that leftist ideology is bankrupt - your only recourse is distortion and concealment.

PLEASE show me the "JournoList" equivalent of the Right. (Other than the Truth.)

You will get your Christmas card from the PTB this year.

No, I won't. The PTB are running roughshod over my rights and my Constitution.

True objective reporting will cut those in power as much as those envious of it.

Since your masters are those in power, you are compelled to defend them and presume ill motives of those who do not.

How sad.

deny ignorance

jw

Originally posted by jdub297
No, I won't. The PTB are running roughshod over my rights and my Constitution.

Well that's the first logical thing you said in this post. Let's look at it this way, do you want a dialog that will establish a positive result or is the dissing of the opposite side all you're interested in?

Since your masters are those in power, you are compelled to defend them and presume ill motives of those who do not.

How sad.

deny ignorance

jw

Canadian says "what?"

reply to post by ~Lucidity

What's with your statement about conservatives outnumbering liberals? I neither know nor care if this is true. Why would I be upset about it? Are you assuming for some reason that I'm a label? What exactly in my quoted post has forced you to conclude any of this?

It's just a feeling that I get after having read some of your posts. Never mind, forget about it.

I'm not attempting to force any point other than there is a difference between the punditry and journalism, and that the shift from one to another was slow and subtle, so that many people may not have even realized that it happened.

I think you are waxing nostalgic. Many of the most revered 'journalists', such as Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather, were not the bastions of journalistic integrity that we think. They were mere liberal shills which the ignorant audiences adored. Cronkite was a spokesman for the North Vietnamese Army, and we all remember what Rather tried to do to GWB.

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Yeah, that was it. Pol Pot. Real nice guy that one, eh?:shk:

Great article, btw Thanks.

reply to post by ~Lucidity

Originally posted by rusethorcain
A Pastor entered his donkey in a race and it won. The Pastor was so pleased with the donkey that he entered it in the race again, and it won again.

The local paper read:
PASTOR'S ASS OUT FRONT.

The Bishop was so upset with this kind of publicity that he ordered the Pastor not to enter the donkey in another race...

The next day, the local paper headline read:
BISHOP SCRATCHES PASTOR'S ASS.

This was too much for the Bishop, so he ordered the Pastor to get rid of the donkey..

The Pastor decided to give it to a Nun in a nearby Convent. The local paper, hearing of the news, posted the following headline the next day:
NUN HAS BEST ASS IN TOWN.

The Bishop fainted! He informed the Nun that she would have to get rid of the donkey, so she sold it to a farmer for $10.

The next day the papers read:
NUN SELLS ASS FOR $10.

This was too much for the Bishop, so he ordered the nun to buy back the donkey and lead it to the plains where it could run wild.

The next day the headlines read:
NUN ANNOUNCES HER ASS IS WILD AND FREE.

These headlines are all "facts". But without 'punditry', i.e., discussion, we would never get the whole picture.

And can we ever know all the facts? I say no - given 2 lawyers arguing a case, there will always be one more question, one more fact, that needs to be revealed.

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by ~Lucidity

 

People who reported news in the past took the responsibility seriously and went to great lengths to check facts and eliminate bias to the best of their ability. And people who watched the news came to expect just this. When the shift started, many did not realize it was happening and began to confuse punditry with journalism and to assign punditry more credence than it necessarily deserved.

Those who confuse punditry with news have only themselves to blame.

Those who present punditry as news are deceitful and unethical.

The "Journolist" revelations have made it clear that the left-wingnuts do not respect the dichotomy and seek to capitalize on the public's willful ignorance of the difference.

"Modern journalists" such as those found in the JournoList have no qualms about imposing their views on the unwitting public.

Anyone who supports such distortion of fact, and its presentation as 'truth,' is merely serving the overriding leftist agenda.

Deny ignorance.

jw

Only the left does this Thinking you might need to review your personal definition of "fair and balanced."

I am in the middle of watching Glenn Beck today and I see why people might want to shut the whole station down. Because of him. His whole show is a gratuitous commercial for his website...at best.
Today I think he went over the top even for him.

I used to laugh but still I liked so many FOX News reporters like Shepard Smith, Meghan Kelly, Neil Cavuto, sometimes even Bill O Reilly has something pithy...and many others who do a great job.

Every station, though they should not distort the news, is entitled to take what ever "slant" on the news they can stretch the truth to accommodate.

But it should be news....and when you are done with the telling, it should still be accurate.

It should not be a reaction to a distortion highlighted in a newshour.

People may understandably mistake it for factual information...and act accordingly. Our most recent episode with Sean Hannity involving Ms Sherron should be a good example of how an irresponsible media can affect perception, incite violent repercussions and result in dangerous a-productive reactions based on a reasonable presumption of truth.

We should demand a more spotless record, a minimum degree of truthfulness, accuracy and more responsibility (by imposing stiffer penalties for falsehoods), for all "news stations."

It cannot or should not be one mans personal vendetta, no matter how riot inciting it may be, showcased on public, national television.

We may as well do live at a KKK meeting, careful to present both sides of the argument!

Hannity and Glen Beck are satisfying personal and private desires for violence.
They are lying to the desired end of inciting some Satanist (my opinion) form of blood lust among the feeble minded and misinformed.
At the same time they are trolling for recruits for their "army core" of the radical religious right. Sorry cult members.

They are both trying to divide left from right with some imaginary line. Beck has a manual to fight "lefties" that he waved around telling people they could get FREE, FREE, FREE.

I really think he has finally gone over the edge.
Telling his viewers he hopes the devil in horns is not going to show up- but he might.

Today's show is a military training exercise designed to humiliate the "faithful"constitutionalists into Marching on Washington.

At one point he says in an old mans voice..."but I have been to Washington so many times and it doesn't do any good"...then he brutally and gestapo fashion, mocks same old man character, berates and humiliates him for giving up on a cause...says "You have a responsibility to go on until your dying breath"

Until your dying breath.

Help me Jesus..Glen is yelling now and pounding his fist.

This is parallel to an al quada training video or some radical clerics call to arms and a call for a violent revolution or a holy war.

How is he any different from the Black Panthers?

I don't see them with their own show.






[edit on 24-7-2010 by rusethorcain]

reply to post by rusethorcain



Don't get me started on Beck. To me, he is one of the biggest con artists on TV and radio. He has that look in his eyes. And that constant smirk...

His TV shows are on big ad-lib. When he runs low on material, or loses track, he cries.

But his rapid rise to fame reminds me so much of Obama.

We should demand a more spotless record, a minimum degree of truthfulness, accuracy and more responsibility (by imposing stiffer penalties for falsehoods), for all "news stations."

No no no no no! I cannot believe how many cries for this behavior that I am seeing here.

If a TV station decides to use the National Enquirer, or worse, as it's source of info, let them. Putting reqs of 'truthfulness' and 'accuracy' on any station is absurd. To what purpose? To do your thinking for you? Let the market decide whether they should survive.

What if ATS were subjected to such a standard of 'truth'? Prove that alien abducted you, or be subjected to stiff penalties. Give proof positive that that blur in the photo is a visitor from some other galaxy.

There comes a point where all people must grow up and accept the responsibility of discerning the truth. To want to give that job to the government is very dangerous, and shows a deep weakness.

ETA: When talking about news, remember that people like Beck, Hannity, and O'Reilly are NOT reporters - they are analysts. Analysts inject a lot of opinion into their show.

[edit on 25-7-2010 by mishigas]

ok ill play in this thread for a minute or two.


honestly if you dont like what someone says you ARE free to flip the channel

pretty simple.

no one forces ANYONE to watch any news station.

and while were on it who is anyone meaning the left in this case WHO THEY CAN OR CANT LISTEN TO OR WATCH.

that boys and girls is what real socialism/communism is.

in the ideal liberal world the only news that would be on is the news that kisses obamas ass.

fox doesnt do that so they ar acting like 2 year olds.

is fox perfect? NO
is msnbc,abc,cnn etc perfect either ? hell no.

each news outlets caters to their viewers straight up a non arguable fact.


i guarantee EVERYONE OF YOU FOX HAS NEVER CALLED FOR ANY OTHER NEWS OUTLET TO BE SHUT DOWN EVER!

abc,cnn,msnbc etc ALL OF THEM WOULD SELL THEY SOULS TO BE WHERE FOX IS to bad they already have sold them.


final thought its hilarious to see how afraid the left is of fox news.

the agriculture employee was proof enough of that.

and it goes to show you that this white house and any liberal will throw anyone under the bus to save their own asses.

reply to post by jibeho


“I am genuinely scared” of Fox, wrote Guardian columnist Daniel Davies, because it “shows you that a genuinely shameless and unethical media organisation *cannot* be controlled by any form of peer pressure or self-regulation, and nor can it be successfully cold-shouldered or ostracised. In order to have even a semblance of control, you need a tough legal framework.” Davies, a Brit, frequently argued the United States needed stricter libel laws.

“I agree,” said Michael Scherer of Time Magazine. Roger “Ailes understands that his job is to build a tribal identity, not a news organization. You can’t hurt Fox by saying it gets it wrong, if Ailes just uses the criticism to deepen the tribal identity.”


What about the below is wrong? I connect the angry and ugly state of the U.S. population directly with the rise of Limbaugh and FOX. America is fast becoming the pariah of the civilized world and we should be. We are not a beacon of hope anymore; we are a beacon of hate, rage and war. Our cops are thugs. Most all our politicians are crooks. Our most powerful business people are entirely amoral. Our schools are garbage. Our culture is a joke. I am a 46 year old veteran and this is not the country I grew up in, nor wish to grow old in. As soon as our kids are out of the nest we are outta here to a place where people actually give a crap about each other.

The United States of America is the next Balkans, courtesy of FOX and friends who have taught us all to hate so well.

reply to post by pajoly

What about the below is wrong? I connect the angry and ugly state of the U.S. population directly with the rise of Limbaugh and FOX. America is fast becoming the pariah of the civilized world and we should be.

The fact you're so zeroed in on two guys, shows that you're being manipulated by the very media you claim not to watch. What about Chris Matthews, Mike Maloey or Ed Schultz? Why do I never see threads from you people about those guys?

Answer: Because they aren't part of the left wing narrative. Anger, hatred and incitement to violence from them is ok, because you agree with it.

For instance:


Why isn't there a dozen threads about the dangers of MSNBC and the left wing "net roots"? Because the left wing MSM/blogs aren't telling you to be outraged about it.

The United States of America is the next Balkans, courtesy of FOX and friends who have taught us all to hate so well.

From my perspective, its CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC and CBS who are spreading hated and fear. Not a night goes by that these networks don't fear monger about protesting Americans and stir racial fears with baseless accusations of racism.





[edit on 27-7-2010 by Hudson]

reply to post by intrepid

Congrats. You just engaged in the dissemination of the nation. If you think it's only the "left-wingnuts" that engage in this you are a part of the machine. You will get your Christmas card from the PTB this year.

All we ever see on this forum is thread after thread whining about either Fox, Beck or Rush. Yet, they are the minority. The much more massive propaganda in media comes from the left. Plus, the Democrats are in power which basically just makes it one big propaganda machine for Democrats. It seems to me THAT is the bigger issue here. Not 1 or 2 guys who are actually giving a point of view out of the DNC echo chamber.

Somehow, i don't think you care though. Which is why I don't take these ridiculous anti Fox threads seriously. You people don't show the least bit of consistency.

Originally posted by Hudson
Somehow, i don't think you care though. Which is why I don't take these ridiculous anti Fox threads seriously. You people don't show the least bit of consistency.

"You people"? You should know who you're talking about before you throw around labels dude. I also have no use for the alphabet services. It too bad that people can't discuss this without feeling the need to defend a useless service.

reply to post by intrepid


Yes, you people. Ideology driven partisans who repeat left wing talking points as if they're facts, in order to smear critics of this president and the party in power. Especially those who aren't even from this country, yet carry on as if they are.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by Hudson]

Originally posted by Hudson
reply to post by intrepid

 

Yes, you people. Ideology driven partisans who repeat left wing talking points as if they're facts, in order to smear critics of this president and the party in power.

I think you've completely missed the point. Not surprising. I said that Fox isn't going anywhere so the premise of this thread is without merit. I've also said that this partisan crap, which you are involved in as well, does nothing to solve the divide that is harming America.

Especially those who aren't even from this country, yet carry on as if they are.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by Hudson]

Well someone here has to make some sense.