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Germany is a fraud!

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posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 10:51 AM

Originally posted by JimIrie
So, by the way there still one intersting thing in the german passport...

this is a copy of the back...
Do you know this pic?
Let me give you a hint:

Look it´s baphomet!
No. It's not. The directions of the horns have meaning. What you've shown are two very different symbols, and it would be foolish to try to equate the two.

posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 10:55 AM
reply to post by Paa Tal

Actually in a way, yes. I have seen many people getting genetic testing done to understand more about their heritage and which parts of the world their ancestors may have lived. It is quite fascinating actually, and I think it is great when everyone has a chance to be proud of any heritage they have. IF you believe your ancestors survive in you through your DNA, why not celebrate them?

I remember being in grade school and everyone got to go over their heritage. African, Latin American, Irish, etc. And then there were us German-descent kids. Not a lot of 'celebrating our heritage' for us. None of the "Look at the inventions, the great minds, the beautiful country" etc. More of a quiet shame. I find that pathetic now, and wish I could go back and try and change that moment.

It makes me sad to see guilt override a person in this way... especially children. Its like a large patchwork-quilt of guilt has been spread over Germany and they are all stifling beneath it...trying to fight their way out with as many politically correct blurbs as they can muster. As if Germany is the only country to have something like this in their history....

posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:06 AM
reply to post by JimIrie

During all my time as a member in this board, I've never bashed or made fun with no one but regarding this thread I've gotta say it: Totally non sense. Germany is one of the greatest nations on Earth.

posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:07 AM
reply to post by Telos

AND, they have Bordershop!
Hey, even the US doesn't have that.

Not to mention the Oktoberfest.

And regardless of those two, Germany have a lot more to be proud of than they have to be ashamed of.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by David_Reale]

posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:20 AM

Originally posted by felonius

You're wondering why he's calling you a NAZI when you're singing a part of a song that is pretty much banned in Deutschland as a result of the NAZI's..

In all fairness man.. Most Germans would say the same thing to you..

If you really are Deutsch Am Herzen, als du sagte.. Dann vielleicht, solltst du Forschung.. How not to offend your own people.

posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:24 AM
reply to post by felonius

Well I guess I should say ...

Welcome to my foes list !

I think the OP calling you a NAZI is probably pretty close to the mark.

You may not agree with all of hitler's ideas, but you think
occupying france is great sport.

I guess the same for Poland.

I guess you are ok with Kristallnacht.

And perhaps you think the political coup was expedient.

I guess you are ok with the slave labor camps, and
the ovens.

If you are ok with any of that then you are a NAZI.

What a lot of ppl have trouble seeing is this type of fervor
and nationalism exists in many countries.

It it time it is put down like a rabid dog.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:29 AM
reply to post by JimIrie

Very interesting topic & post....

wonders what else are in passports in other nations

posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:31 AM
isnt germany where some secret society started? i forget which..
thank you for this info
this is just more proof that the world has more ties then we know. and the elite belive that worshiping satain will bring them onnly power for him duhhh
my father was born in germany, im ganna show him this post tonight and and see what he thinks about it

posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:32 AM
To fully understand the history of modern day Germany and the European 'sovereign nation-states' and how it all developed from 1650 to WW1 one must first study The Thirty Years' War against The Holy Roman Empire:

The Thirty Years' War

Date: 1618 –1648

Location: Europe (primarily present day Germany)

Result: Peace of Westphalia

  • Habsburg supremacy curtailed
  • Rise of the Bourbon dynasty
  • Rise of the Swedish Empire
  • Decentralization of the Holy Roman Empire
  • Franco-Spanish War until 1659
  • Substantial decline in the power and influence of the Catholic Church

    Germany has been a crazy patchwork of many different kingdoms and territories ruled by princes and other nobility through the times - before the unification, German territory was made up of 26 constituent states. These states consisted of kingdoms, grand duchies, duchies, principalities etc.

    (The following are just small snips from the full text in the link below)

    The Thirty Years' War was one of the most destructive conflicts in European history.

    The war was fought primarily (though not exclusively) in what is now Germany and at various points involved most of the countries of Europe. Naval warfare also reached overseas and shaped the colonial formation of future nations.

    The origins of the conflict and goals of the participants were complex and no single cause can accurately be described as the main reason for the fighting. Initially the war was fought largely as a religious conflict between Protestants and Catholics in the Holy Roman Empire, although disputes over the internal politics and balance of power within the Empire played a significant part.

    Gradually, the war developed into a more general conflict involving most of the European powers. In this general phase, the war became more a continuation of the Bourbon-Habsburg rivalry for European political pre-eminence, and in turn led to further warfare between France and the Habsburg powers, and less specifically about religion.

    A major impact of the Thirty Years' War was the extensive destruction of entire regions, denuded by the foraging armies (bellum se ipsum alet). Episodes of famine and disease significantly decreased the populace of the German states, Bohemia, the Low Countries and Italy, while bankrupting most of the combatant powers.

    Swedish intervention

    King Gustaf II Adolf (Gustavus Adolphus), had invaded the Holy Roman Empire with success and turned the tables on the Catholics. His contributions made Sweden the continental leader of Protestantism until the Swedish Empire ended in 1721.

    Gustavus Adolphus, like Christian IV before him, came to aid the German Lutherans, to forestall Catholic aggression against their homeland, and to obtain economic influence in the German states around the Baltic Sea. In addition, Gustavus was concerned about the growing power of the Holy Roman Empire.

    From 1630 to 1634, Swedish-led armies drove the Catholic forces back, regaining much of the lost Protestant territory. During his campaign he managed to conquer half of the Imperial kingdoms.

    Swedish forces entered the Holy Roman Empire via the Duchy of Pomerania, which served as the Swedish bridgehead since the Treaty of Stettin (1630). After dismissing Wallenstein in 1630, Ferdinand II became dependent on the Catholic League. Gustavus Adolphus allied with France in the Treaty of Bärwalde (January 1631). France and Bavaria signed the secret Treaty of Fontainebleau (1631), but this was rendered irrelevant by Swedish attacks against Bavaria. At the Battle of Breitenfeld (1631), Gustavus Adolphus's forces defeated the Catholic League led by General Tilly.

    A year later they met again in another Protestant victory, this time accompanied by the death of Tilly. The upper hand had now switched from the league to the union, led by Sweden.

    By the Spring of 1635, all Swedish resistance in the south of Germany had ended. After that, the two sides met for negotiations, producing the Peace of Prague (1635), which entailed a delay in the enforcement of the Edict of Restitution for 40 years and allowed Protestant rulers to retain secularized bishoprics held by them in 1627. This protected the Lutheran rulers of northeastern Germany, but not those of the south and west (whose lands had been occupied by the Imperial or League armies prior to 1627).

    The treaty also provided for the union of the army of the Emperor and the armies of the German states into a single army of the Holy Roman Empire (although Johann Georg of Saxony and Maximillian of Bavaria kept, as a practical matter, independent command of their forces, now nominally components of the "Imperial" army). Finally, German princes were forbidden from establishing alliances amongst themselves or with foreign powers, and amnesty was granted to any ruler who had taken up arms against the Emperor after the arrival of the Swedes in 1630.

    Casualties and disease

    So great was the devastation brought about by the war that estimates put the reduction of population in the German states at about 15% to 30%.

    Some regions were affected much more than others. For example, Württemberg lost three-quarters of its population during the war. In the territory of Brandenburg, the losses had amounted to half, while in some areas an estimated two-thirds of the population died. The male population of the German states was reduced by almost half.

    The population of the Czech lands declined by a third due to war, disease, famine and the expulsion of Protestant Czechs. Much of the destruction of civilian lives and property was caused by the cruelty and greed of mercenary soldiers, many of whom were rich commanders and poor soldiers. Villages were especially easy prey to the marauding armies. Those that survived, like the small village of Drais near Mainz would take almost a hundred years to recover.

    The Swedish armies alone may have destroyed up to 2,000 castles, 18,000 villages and 1,500 towns in Germany, one-third of all German towns. The war caused serious dislocations to both the economies and populations of central Europe, but may have done no more than seriously exacerbate changes that had begun earlier.

    Political consequences

    One result of the war was the division of Germany into many territories — all of which, despite their membership in the Empire, won de facto sovereignty. This limited the power of the Holy Roman Empire and decentralized German power.

    The Thirty Years' War rearranged the European power structure. The conflict made Spain's military and political decline visible. While Spain was fighting in France, Portugal — which had been under personal union with Spain for 60 years — acclaimed John IV of Braganza as king in 1640, and the House of Braganza became the new dynasty of Portugal (see Portuguese Restoration War, for further information).

    Meanwhile, Spain was forced to accept the independence of the Dutch Republic in 1648, ending the Eighty Years' War. With Spain weakened, France started to replace Spain as the dominant European power, an outcome confirmed by its victories in the Franco-Spanish War, War of Devolution and Franco-Dutch War and by the late 1600s, Bourbon France under the leadership of Louis XIV had surpassed Habsburg Spain in influence.

    From 1643–45, during the last years of the Thirty Years' War, Sweden and Denmark fought the Torstenson War. The result of that conflict and the conclusion of the great European war at the Peace of Westphalia in 1648 helped establish post-war Sweden as a force in Europe.

    In 1643, the Swedish marshal Lennart Torstenson expelled Danish prince Frederick from Bremen-Verden, gaining a stronghold south of Denmark and hindering Danish participation as mediatiors in the peace talks in Westphalia.

    In 1645, Torstenson defeated the Imperial army at the Battle of Jankau near Prague, and Louis II de Bourbon, Prince de Condé defeated the Bavarian army in the Second Battle of Nördlingen. The last Catholic commander of note, Baron Franz von Mercy, died in the battle.

    On 14 March 1647 Bavaria, Cologne, France and Sweden signed the Truce of Ulm. In 1648 the Swedes (commanded by Marshal Carl Gustaf Wrangel) and the French (led by Turenne and Condé) defeated the Imperial army at the Battle of Zusmarshausen and Lens. These results left only the Imperial territories of Austria safely in Habsburg hands.

    The edicts agreed upon during the signing of the Peace of Westphalia were instrumental in laying the foundations for what are even today considered the basic tenets of the sovereign nation-state.

    Aside from establishing fixed territorial boundaries for many of the countries involved in the ordeal (as well as for the newer ones created afterwards), the Peace of Westphalia changed the relationship of subjects to their rulers. In earlier times, people had tended to have overlapping political and religious loyalties.

    Now, it was agreed that the citizenry of a respective nation were subjected first and foremost to the laws and whims of their own respective government rather than to those of neighboring powers, be they religious or secular.

    The war also has a few more subtle consequences. The Thirty Years' War marked the last major religious war in mainland Europe, ending the large-scale religious bloodshed accompanying the Reformation, in 1648.

    The Thirty Years War

    [edit on 21-7-2010 by Chevalerous]

  • posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:34 AM
    reply to post by JoshNorton

    Can you please explain the difference between the two?

    Although one obviously appears like the devil, the other resembles Aries?

    posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:35 AM
    reply to post by JayXBraun

    Some form of Freemasonry I believe

    posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:41 AM
    Great thread! I only read thru the first 2 or 3 pages and already had enough of all the idiots saying how awesome Germany is, beer,brats,blah,blah,blah. Glad to see someone telling it like it is about that crap fest called a country. True, it is a beautiful place, but the people and the weather make it UGLY the Germans would say "scheisse". "Deutschland UBER ALLES"....LOLLLLL

    Germans= most taxed
    Germans= most unfriendly
    Germans= most unhappy
    Germans= most greedy

    Fact- 160,000 germans leave Germany every year to seek out a better place to live in the world. They are tired of all the beauracacy, taxes, regulations, bad weather, etc.

    Fact- The true "german blood lines" will be gone in fifty years. Died out.

    Fact- Germany has been handed to Russia without a shot being fired. Something the United States spent billions of dollars to avoid over 60 years.

    Fact- The United States maintains the remaining military bases in Germany only because the German economy would take a dump if we were to pull out completely. We are no longer needed to defend central europe. So, we stay in Germany and train. FOR WHAT??? We can train in the U.S. and give all the jobs that we now give to germans to americans who need jobs. We employ thousands of germans who DO NOT APPRECIATE US. I have seen it myself.

    Fact- The U.S. spends billions annually (look it up you will be shocked) to maintain bases in Germany. The personnel there pump this money daily into the german economy thru rentals, restaurants, etc, etc. WE SHOULD SPEND THAT MONEY AT HOME ON OUR SICK AND HOMELESS, OUR MEDICAL SYSTEM, OUR EDUCATION SYSTEMS!!!!

    posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:50 AM
    reply to post by bluemirage5

    Yeah it was the one and only ILLUMINATI!
    Funded in bavaria at the first of may, 1776 by Adam Weißhaupt!

    By the way i used today for the first time on ATS the ignore button! Yeah, felony! I never have to get in rage about such dump comments from you, anymore!

    posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:54 AM
    reply to post by Chevalerous

    Thank you for that nice peace of info! Starred!

    Give us more!

    posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 11:59 AM

    Originally posted by mothershipzeta

    Originally posted by MrSpad
    So Germany is an American colony or its run by satan? I am not sure what your trying to tell us.

    Don't forget what we recently learned on ATS: that the US doesn't exist, and still belongs to the UK!

    I'm just trying to figure out how gold-fringed US flags work into all this...also the war flag vs the civil flag of peacetime.

    Every time I see a thread like this, I

    For a complete explanation of the Yellow Fringe around the flag, view this article and the entire site for an education you will never forget.

    As for Hitler, he was right, he was guided AFTER his first moves to REMOVE the Rothschilds controlled, central bank of Germany. He then traded with other nations and gave the farmers their lands tax free if they grew crops FOR the people and the Nation as a whole. People take the history books for actual fact. NOT TRUE, they are filled with BS. Unless you have inside knowledge or relatives that came from there, like I do, then you do not know the real truth of what really happened during the 20's through the 50's.

    And remember also, the U.S. corporation brought 400 Nazi specialists into America, to train the "law enforcement" establishment and to start the CIA. That is also a fact and many know it. Take a good look around you and you can see it everywhere. Symbolism on down the line. How many "red stars" do you see every day? Too many to count for me, but I know what they are there for.

    Time to wake up to the enslavement of man. We are NOT corporate fictions and "government" does not exist ANYWHERE, and hasn't for quite some time. It is all commerce and all one big corporate fascist entity. We are chattel, collateral between nations, goods to be traded. Time to stop the insanity and say enough is enough.

    Reclaim the Strawman!!!!

    Edit to add, forgot about the "brownshirts", Freemasons who were undermining Hitler, THEY are the ones who caused all the needless and senseless killing. He started the SS to hunt them down and kill them. Who is the "queen" of the Illuminati/Masonic society, thats right, the Queen of England, and she was pissed, begged the U.S. corporate military machine to help her stop Hitler from killing all her minions.

    [edit on 21-7-2010 by daddio]

    posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 12:12 PM

    Originally posted by bluemirage5
    reply to post by JayXBraun

    Some form of Freemasonry I believe

    Johann Willhelm von Zinnendorf funded the first "Grand Lodge of Germany", writhing from the system of "strict observance" and from the english rites. He developed the "Zinnendorfsche system".
    All of which happened shortly after around 1776 .. Coincidence?

    correct me if false...

    posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 12:16 PM
    reply to post by JimIrie

    I don't know German well enough to competently address all your points, but the first one. The passport says "Nationality" and the answer is "German". That would seem a correct answer. The Austrian passport says the same thing, ut the answer is "Austria". That doesn't make much sense. How would you answer the question, "What nationality are you?"

    Would you say, "I am German."? Probabaly. "Ich bin Deutsch." Right?
    Would you say, "I am Austria." Probably not, and more than you would say, "I am Germany" Would you say, "Ich bun Deutschland."? Uh, no.

    It seems to me it is the Austrian passport which is "wrong," but only slightly so, and it is very common. For example, my passport says "USA" I would never say, "I am USA." but I would say, "I am American." which isn't even close to what is on the passport.

    The rest of your stuff is interesting, but I think your first point is simply a semantic diversion that does not apply to your overall thesis.

    posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 12:24 PM

    Originally posted by schuyler
    reply to post by JimIrie

    my passport says "USA" I would never say, "I am USA." but I would say, "I am American." which isn't even close to what is on the passport.

    Thats the point!
    Everywhere on the world stands the nation on the pass.
    But as germany in legal terms doesn´t exist as a nation it showes DEUTSCH not DEUTSCHLAND! Understand?

    posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 12:28 PM

    Originally posted by JoshNorton
    No. It's not. The directions of the horns have meaning. What you've shown are two very different symbols, and it would be foolish to try to equate the two.

    Maybe THIS very meaning is reversed, too?

    posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 12:55 PM

    Originally posted by octotom
    reply to post by zolom

    Out of curiousity, do you know what a German Reisepass, not the Ausweiß, has under nationality? Not that it's important at all, I just thought that maybe the Ausweiß says Deutsch instead of Deutschland because it's an in country sort of thing and the German government didn't feel the need to follow an international practice for passports on the German ID card.

    It says Deutsch. People of german descent who were expelled or fled from eastern europe during and after the war were accepted into the Federal Republic and given a status similar to german citizens but not quite german citizenship. They had the right to live there forever, to take any work, to join the armed forces, to vote and to be elected to office, and to a passport that was not in any way different to that of any german citizen. The only noticeable difference is that they were technically called "germans without german citizenship" and "deutscher im Sinne des Paragraphen 116 d. Grundgesetzes." Germany didn't think that anybody should be forced to be a german citizen and if it forced someone to take the german citizenship to enjoy civic equality, then the countries from which they were expelled or fled would have the right to take their citizenship away, which the Federal Republic felt to be wrong. What they would have liked is that these people could go home eventually. Most of them claimed to want to be able to go home to Bukovina or Kazakhstan or some other dreadful place. Yeah, right.

    So the german identity papers say simply "german". The term itself means only someone of german ethnicity from wherever. German citizens are legally called "Bundesburger" or "Burger der Bundesrepublik Deutschland." German passports are not legally proof of german citizenship. It's like calling someone american. Legally, the term does not mean "United States Citizen". Tecnically, it means someone born in the western hemisphere.

    If you think that these things are goofy, don't make any sense, are jesuitical hairsplitting, etc, you are correct. But so it is.

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