Yahoo!: "The Elaborate Hoax Behind Crop Circles", page 1
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Topic started on 20-7-2010 @ 11:35 AM by bananasam
whoknew.news.yahoo.com...

"The Elaborate Hoax Behind Crop Circles"

...Or what it should be better known as: The elaborate failure behind mainstream news reporting.


Some awesome quotes:

"No surprise, that some New Age Believers believe crop circles are made by aliens."

-> See, Yahoo! thinks all believers in aliens are the crazy new age folks. That must be incredible insulting to all the academic researchers out there.



It's been known since 1991 that crop circles are manmade when the original pranksters confessed to making 100's of circles."

-> Is this a failure in logic? If you can't figure out why, you probably shouldn't be doing research.


reply posted on 20-7-2010 @ 12:51 PM by One Moment
Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
I think youll find all the exhausting questions an answers here man!

www.abovetopsecret.com...


That thread has nothing to do with Yahoo having this on the home page today. So.....what's your point?

Yahoo is talking about Doug and Dave.
Your link is covering the latest crop circle.

Although it's the same overall subject....they are two totally different topics.


reply posted on 20-7-2010 @ 09:48 PM by Unity_99
Well as to their claim which seems to be that since red hair can be achieved with a dye, all red heads dye their hair, and try to shove this down our throats like 2 year olds, I like this site on Canadian Crop Circle research:

www.cccrn.ca...


The Canadian Crop Circle Research Network (CCCRN) has been investigating the crop circle phenomenon in the prairies and across the country since 1995, founded by researcher Paul Scott Anderson.


Creating a unique liason between farmers, researchers and scientists, it is the first and only research group of its kind in Canada.


Formerly known as Circles Phenomenon Research Canada, an affiliate of Circles Phenomenon Research International (CPRI), and with the later closure of the international CPRI offices, the organization was refounded in 2001 as CCCRN, an independent group with the main office in North Vancouver, British Columbia and provincial branches across the country. CCCRN does not have a general paid membership, "membership" is made up entirely of volunteer research assistants.


CCCRN works with numerous other research groups, in Canada and other countries, including the BLT Research Team Inc., which has been conducting scientific laboratory studies of plant and soil samples from crop formations worldwide for the past decade with a growing number of mainstream scientists and laboratories. The primary focus of CCCRN is on-site investigations of formations and documenting the available scientific evidence, also with the assistance of its own scientific consultants in various disciplines




www.cccrn.ca...

The Scientific Evidence

Some of the most pronounced physical anomalies found in crop formations worldwide have been deformities to the nodes, in all types of crops including wheat, barley, canary seed and even cattle corn. These deformities include varying degrees of swelling, elongation and rupture-type holes, often referred to as "expulsion cavities." The leading current hypothesis as to their cause relates to the rapid heating of internal moisture inside the plant stalks, which tries to escape at the nodes. Interestingly, the only semi-successful attempts at duplicating these effects manually so far have involved microwaves.

They have not been reproduced yet by conventional hoaxing methods (ie. stomping boards, rope, etc.), and have been found in simple circles as well as some of the more complex patterns. Test circles made by researchers for comparison purposes, including by CCCRN teams, and known man-made formations have not shown these kinds of pronounced changes. Slight swelling and elongation can be caused by these mechanical methods, but so far these methods have never been demonstrated to cause the degree of change seen in some formations (up to 200-300% node elongation in some cases!).....

Another research project by the BLT Research Team, Inc. / CCCRN features growth studies being done with samples of hybrid cattle corn (maize) from the two large formations at Abbotsford and Agassiz, British Columbia in 2003. Both formations exhibited significant physical anomalies including multiple expulsion cavities (sometimes in single nodes), often with up to seven or eight affected nodes on one stalk (entire length of stalk), something never seen before. Both of the large, geometric formations, 91 metres (300 feet) and 45 metres (147 feet) long respectively, were in 2.75-3.05 metre (9-10 foot) tall cattle corn. Similar anomalies were also later found in the cattle corn formation at Matsqui, British Columbia in 2004. A full BLT / CCCRN report documenting these findings will be published soon.


An update on the BLT Research Team website provides a good case example of objectively studying the available evidence at hand; regarding an examination of blackened cattle corn stalks from the larger of the two formations at Mission, British Columbia in 2002, which analysis showed to be a common opportunistic fungus called Ustilago, not charring as had been speculated. While a "negative" result, it underscores the need for serious and objective scientific studies of all possible anomalies.


A comprehensive X-ray diffraction study was published by the BLT Research Team in 2004, an examination of clay minerals in soil from the Edmonton, Alberta formation in 1999, showing evidence of an increase in crystallization similar to that seen before only in sedimentary rock; the effects found would normally require exposure of the soil to a minimum of 600-800 degrees C for many hours... significant node length increases and expulsion cavities were also found in this formation.


Looks like a lot of unexplained anomalies to me!

Just the tip of the iceburg too.





[edit on 20-7-2010 by Unity_99]



reply posted on 20-7-2010 @ 11:39 PM by fleabit
Do I think aliens make crop circles? No. But I do not believe that all circles are made by drunks with some boards.


And here is the crux of the issue imo. Why so many people believe some of these simply HAVE to be made by aliens. I seem to ALWAYS see that very comment. That they couldn't be possibly be made by "drunks with boards."

People assume that only hick idiots in pickups having downed a 12 pack of cheap beer are capable of making these things. Not clever people for whom this is a hobby of sorts. Yet these are often made by SMART PEOPLE. Just like you. People who read conspiracy sites. Who try to find out what buttons are hot, and know how to push them with their designs. They are COLLEGE students and people who have smarts, and are trying to outsmart YOU.

Yet people keep assuming that the only way these can be made are by stupid people with no tools or planning. Yet the truth of the matter is that people with night vision goggles, and other tools other than "rope and a board," and GROUPS of people who plan these in advance, are making clever circles that will make people go "OOoh.. ALIENS made that!" That's the result they are trying to get.

Tell me this: If people on THIS board got some rudimentary crop circle making practice in, learned the tricks of the trade and so on.. could we not make some circles that would make people think it's some super important, cryptic message of vast importance? I know you could.

Stop assuming that only drunks make these. Assume that very clever people with skill in this sort of thing are doing so, and maybe you'll be closer to the mark on what they can and cannot do.


reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 12:06 AM by cripmeister
reply to post by bananasam



Thank for posting that video It's true, believers in aliens are the crazy New Age folks.


reply posted on 21-7-2010 @ 04:17 AM by Arbitrageur
Originally posted by and14263
Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
I think youll find all the exhausting questions an answers here man!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yes... but the real answers are here
I especially like their tips on what you can do so your crop circle will be deemed "not man-made". Like maybe sprinkle some iron filings inside the circle. And sure enough, I've seen people post right here on ATS that the circle wasn't man-made because they found iron filings in the circle!


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