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Originally posted by IamBoon
reply to post by solomons path
There is no evidence saying a god /gods do not exist either. If just saying the god/gods exist just to exist that is and I would hardly call something that exists outside of perception a "god". Certain criteria have to be met for some entity to be labeled a god I would presume, and that is where the odds of this being existing go towards impossible to logically retarded.
Atheism is a belief, just not a blind , inconsistent , illogical, and perceptually incoherent belief like most theistic philosophy is.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by IamBoon
You are assuming agnostics chose that line because they are afraid of the possibility that a vengeful god will punish them if they're categorically claiming there is no god. That's NOT the reason most agnostics become agnostics. They are agnostics because it makes SENSE. Right now we have zero evidence of the existence of any god (Christian version, Allah, the mighty jungle frog god of the people in Papua New Guinea...any god really) but at the same time, we can't rule it out completely. So it makes total SENSE to claim we just don't know.
It's not something agnostics do out of fear, it's something they chose because the fact that we just don't know reflects reality.
Originally posted by evil incarnate
Originally posted by IamBoon
reply to post by solomons path
There is no evidence saying a god /gods do not exist either. If just saying the god/gods exist just to exist that is and I would hardly call something that exists outside of perception a "god". Certain criteria have to be met for some entity to be labeled a god I would presume, and that is where the odds of this being existing go towards impossible to logically retarded.
Atheism is a belief, just not a blind , inconsistent , illogical, and perceptually incoherent belief like most theistic philosophy is.
Atheism is NOT A BELIEF!!!!!!!!!
The definition is even posted above for crying out loud. I understand why it can be confusing to the faithful sheep but most of the people on ATS that do not get it seem too bright for this.
Atheism is a LACK of belief. That is it. It is not the belief that your god or any god does not exist. It is the lack of belief that any gods exist. Much like the lack of belief in leprechauns is NOT a belief.
Originally posted by IamBoon
Agnosticism is a cop-out. They can logically process the self-destructive philosophy of religious entities , but they just cannot let go of the thought that they might be in for trouble if they choose a no god approach.
Originally posted by evil incarnate
Atheism is NOT A BELIEF!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by IamBoon
reply to post by adjensen
Some do but most I think are just really lazy about learning theology or what science , history , philosophy, or "god" says about "god"
Originally posted by IamBoon
reply to post by Annee
"In the name of god" directly relates to what "god" you are acting of , does it not? And if god does not interest you or the belief in it then why are you here?
And if you agnostic that proves my point to not having knowledge being the cause of that system of belief.
Originally posted by eight bits
The absence of something cannot be fraudulent.
Holocaust deniers. Some of them write books that are sold as non-fiction.
Sounds like fraud to me.
Personally, I do not believe that atheism is "fraudulent," but the reason is not that atheism is somehow "privilged" and "could not possibly be" fraudulent. It just happens not to be, IMO.
[edit on 23-7-2010 by eight bits]
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by IamBoon
reply to post by Annee
"In the name of god" directly relates to what "god" you are acting of , does it not? And if god does not interest you or the belief in it then why are you here?
And if you agnostic that proves my point to not having knowledge being the cause of that system of belief.
NO. In my opinion - - believing in a god and acting in the name of god - - are very different.
NO. I am not agnostic. Something you seem to have a hang up about.
Why am I here? Because its a discussion board.
And - god in government/politics affects my life. It definitely interests me to have No God in Government - as a starter.
Something fraudulent needs to represent something else.
I'm not aware of any religion that gives you a pass if you just don't diss them, which is what you are suggesting. In Christianity, for example, an agnostic rejects God just as much as an atheist does, or a Christian who acts contrary to the teachings of Christ does. So they're not really "hedging their bets", and I would guess most of them would agree.
Atheism does not need invention.
The worst it can be is untrue.
Non-invention - - - does not require invention to exist.
Originally posted by _SilentAssassin_
You 'lack belief' in GOD, but you do not want to know what GOD means.
You are free to disagree with that opinion if you wish.
Originally posted by IamBoon
How does "god" have no part in "acting in the name of god"?
Isn't it "god" you are acting for? Wouldn't that "god" have to like what you are acting out for you to be acting in "gods" name?
What logic are you using to assume "god" has nothing to do with acting in "gods" name?
Must be like something you know about, politics , like when someone acts on "America's" behalf yet "America" and what "America" stands for has nothing to do with it? Right?
Oh Yeah it is called a false claim or lie or just an ill-educated remark. take your pick. It is very revealing when someone defends such an asinine remark not once BUT twice!