Originally posted by activeSeven
So as you can see, the number of 845,000 people is bloated, but most of all, it's misleading because over 90% of those people need the clearance just
to walk in the door to get to work, it DOES NOT mean that they are exposed to secret/top secret information.
I can back up that as fact from my own personal experience, even though my experience is about 20 years out of date...When I was in the Navy, my job
was to maintain/repair the computer-based data processing systems that were gathering realtime intelligence. I had to have security clearance because
I merely had access to look at the data & determine if the computers were processing it correctly. However, it was up to another job-rating to
the raw data into usable form...In essence, the data I saw, I had no idea how to read it
Also, we had contracted the care of our building's main power supply distribution systems to AT&T...Not for any kind of gathering/analysis work, but
just to keep up with the main power distribution panels (My rate included the power distribution for individual systems, but AT&T handled it for the
whole building). Of course, they never had access to any of the data or results of the analysis, but they still had to have security clearance just to
work inside the facility where any data was available for viewing.
Them & about 2-dozen civilians (who never had access to any of the technical areas) handled the administrative office work associated with the
officers. they didn't have to have clearance because they couldn't get into the security areas, only the administrative offices...They had to have
cleared a background check, but they weren't issued any official clearance & gobble up the entire economy right out from under us.
After all, no job in the government actually contributes
anything for the economy...It has to suck the money out of
the economy in order
to function. That's why their "employment" & "economic" calculations are so badly skewed...They add
government jobs to their overall
employment/economic calculations when they tell us that the economy is "improving!"
But even considering that the overall number of security clearances is bloated under these circumstances, it just goes to show that the government is
seeking to overwhelm the whole nation under their power-mongering control over society.
Originally posted by twohawks
Secondly I'd like to add that I recently met one of these private security contractors who also has ties with the DOD and other agencies. I have to
assume that as an individual with ties to different agencies he was counted more than once. Whether he receives more than one pay check or not remains
to be seen.
I would say that it seems likely...After all, "our" Congressional Officers get bonuses to their paychecks according to how many "committees" they
can add to their legislative duties. If they can get more paycheck for multiple duties, I have little doubt that these Executive Branch agents could
too. But we also can't forget that there's more to their paychecks than the numbers on them...There's also the whole range of benefits
(medical/dental/retirement/etc ad nauseum) that go along in addition to
those paychecks. All in all, when you consider that their paychecks
aren't being used to pay for those government-provided bennies, their "take home pay" still adds up to something higher than what many of We the
People can get from working in the private sector.
Originally posted by twohawks
I believe it's no longer the citizenry they wish to protect but rather there own arses!
I'd say "amen to that!" because what other use do they have for having an entire category of security classification defined as the kind of info
that could prove "embarassing?" And what other use but to cover up evidence of actual CRIMES would the Executive Branch use for "Executive
Privilege", or the so-called "Sovereign Immunity" & even the SCOTUS telling us Citizens that we have "no standing" to tell them what they CAN'T
Excuse me, but I thought their adherence to the Oath of Office UNDER the Constitution establishes that We the People are Sovereign OVER the
government! Any Sovereign Immunity that Federal Officers may possess can only be applied as regards to foreign nations, not the People of their own
Originally posted by hdutton
With these numbers in mind, I can't help but wonder:
Who authorized their formation?
Who authorized their budgets?
Who hired all the people who do the work?
How much do the get paid?
If we knew the answers to these questions, maybe we could figure out how we can to lower the deficet and pay long term unemployment benefits.
Look no further than your elected Congressional Officers (this, of course, depends on how much faith you have in those
the Constitution, they hold the purse-strings. However, when you also add in how much the courts make by proscecuting "no-victim crimes" on the
public, you might be able to imagine a whole 'nother can of worms that help with funding. Is it any wonder that the USA has a higher per
prison population than any other nation in the world?
Having mentioned the election systems, here's a bit that concerns the history of elections for Congress: Before the
, Representatives were elected by the People, but Senators were elected by the
State Legislature. This means that the ratification of the 17th Amendment, while it does not overrule, alter or nullify
Article 4, Section 4
, it stands as a direct violation of the Constitutional guarantee of a
Republican (ie: representative) form of government! The States are still being taxed but lost their representation in the federal government! Has it
really been only myself who has noticed this? I've never heard of it in this way before, but figured it out only a few days ago! This means that the
sitting Congress at that time violated Due Process of legislative Powers enumerated in the Constitution...Meaning that the 17th Amendment was never
, ratification votes or not! It also means that every sitting Congress since then has been "acting as accomplice" to that very same crime &
should be dealt with according to the Due Process of Law!
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
The "Ministry of Truth" -- a few brilliant psychopaths riding herd over a gaggle of Yes Men.
Personally, I think the term "sociopath" would be a better description...They purposefully isolate themselves from human society & commit
hateful/spiteful damage to the very same society they isolate from. For being named as the "Ministry of Truth," I'd say they're the ones living
most deeply in a lie.
Even so, it seems less than 2 years since I've been under the impression of how much like the rest of the left-wingnut MSM that Washington Post
to be...Especially within just the past few months, I'd been noticing how WP has been gradually turning around. I think it's about time
I offered a congratulations for them to finally find their cajones in this manner.