Originally posted by brokedown
Pay no attention to F---Fox that poor guy has been up way to long trying to debunk Chemtrails on another thread. His Massa won't let him have a break.
Here you come with another thread with proof positve, and the debunkers are already wore out, and you just doubled their work load.

Fine, tell me anything I posted that is not factual.

Originally posted by Point of No Return
This was the OP's premise:

AERIAL CHEM DUMPING IS REAL !!!! 1/5th of TEXAS IS ROUTINELY SPRAYED with silver iodide by air plane.

You are the one that is trying to detract from that by linking it to those claims.

Not something you'd expect from a moderator, but since it is you, it's not that surprising.

Easy... I admit when I originally posted the OP I used the word CHEMTRAIL in place of "AERIAL CHEM DUMPING".

I was of the pardigm "aerial chem dumping" = "chemtrail" but they're just invisible. Needless the word chemtrail is hopelessly tainted as a internet hoax so I choose the phrase "Aeriel Chem Dumping" when editing the OP.

neformore may have seen the original. Sorry for any confusion, I edited for clarity.

Originally posted by firepilot
Okay, I will go ahead and pose the question.

How do projects that use single engine and twin engine piston aircraft, used to seed growing thunderstorms in order to attempt to to get more rainfall out of a thunderstorm, provide evidence for the "chemtrails" conspiracy.

They don't. They provide evidence of chemical alteration of weather which I think some people pretend doesn't exist and reinforce that belief when hearing about the chemtrial/contrail conspiracy. Maybe all the trails in sky that we SEE really are contrails. Maybe the silver, barium, et al are not visible when dropped from the sky.

That doesn't detract from the fact that there are huge projects with massive budgets to alter the weather with chemicals.


[edit on 19-7-2010 by Sri Oracle]

Okay, so how does a cloud seeding aircraft dump silver iodide? I am sure you would know the answer first and have done your homework...

Funny, I see in those photos, small pyrotechnic devices that burn, resulting in a small amount of silver iodine nuclei for putting into clouds to hopefully increase precipitation.

Certainly not some large dumping device like is implied, and certainly NOT anything that leaves huge trails in the sky. Those small planes you are using as proof, CAN NOT CARRY MUCH AT ALL. Those are small general aviation aircraft in that link you are in.

How are small general aviation type aircraft, modified for thunderstorm seeding, somehow equal the chemtrail conspiracy of these large aircraft numbering in the hundreds spraying clear skies?

Yes, you are right. Weather Modification used different aircraft.

Cessna 340
Piper Seneca
King Air C90
Piper Cheyenne

They used to use a Lear 35..but not anymore.

So tell me how any of those aircraft can fit into the chemtrails conspiracy?

Originally posted by firepilot
Certainly not some large dumping device like is implied, and certainly NOT anything that leaves huge trails in the sky. Those small planes you are using as proof, CAN NOT CARRY MUCH AT ALL. Those are small general aviation aircraft in that link you are in.

How are small general aviation type aircraft, modified for thunderstorm seeding, somehow equal the chemtrail conspiracy of these large aircraft numbering in the hundreds spraying clear skies?

I am not claiming that it is related to the lines in the sky. I don't know about that, I'm not an expert.

When someone massively overdoses on cocaine, does that mean they snorted a dump truck full?

Sri Oracle

Originally posted by firepilot
So tell me how any of those aircraft can fit into the chemtrails conspiracy?

The fact of these aircrafts and government programs existence
and widespread daily use to distribute chemicals into the atmosphere
for the purpose of weather mod
is hidden by the "chemtrails conspiracy"
because people turn a deaf ear to the whole subject of chemical weather modification
in light of the chemtrails conspiracy.

Originally posted by Sri Oracle

Originally posted by firepilot
Certainly not some large dumping device like is implied, and certainly NOT anything that leaves huge trails in the sky. Those small planes you are using as proof, CAN NOT CARRY MUCH AT ALL. Those are small general aviation aircraft in that link you are in.

How are small general aviation type aircraft, modified for thunderstorm seeding, somehow equal the chemtrail conspiracy of these large aircraft numbering in the hundreds spraying clear skies?

I am not claiming that it is related to the lines in the sky. I don't know about that, I'm not an expert.

When someone massively overdoses on cocaine, does that mean they snorted a dump truck full?

Sri Oracle

Well of course chemtrail believers assume it is part of chemtrails, they keep bringing up cloud seeding by small planes as proof, and you have been one of those using that.

Has nothing to do with dump trucks and cocaine.

So will any chemtrail believer tell me how planes like a Piper Seneca, and Cessna 340s used by the company mentioned several times in this thread, can be responsible for the huge trails in the sky behind large jet aircraft?

By the why, would you like to tell us how much of silver iodide is in those flares that you linked to.

Originally posted by firepilot
By the why, would you like to tell us how much of silver iodide is in those flares that you linked to.

Would you mind telling me how much silver iodide I could put into your baby's nursery?

I have no idea. I had never considered the chemical until I found out it was being disbursed by fleets of Cessnas to make it rain on me.

toxicity is in the dose.

how much uranium-238 would you be ok with your neighbor using to seed clouds?

Would you mind 30 ppb in the air? 15 ppm?

I was kind of content with the ppm of silver iodide we had in our atmosphere before these programs started.



Sri Oracle

[edit on 19-7-2010 by Sri Oracle]

Originally posted by Sri Oracle

Originally posted by firepilot
So tell me how any of those aircraft can fit into the chemtrails conspiracy?

The fact of these aircrafts and government programs existence
and widespread daily use to distribute chemicals into the atmosphere
for the purpose of weather mod
is hidden by the "chemtrails conspiracy"
because people turn a deaf ear to the whole subject of chemical weather modification
in light of the chemtrails conspiracy.

Umm, no, these aircraft do not fly daily, they are not fast, and they certainly can not just criss cross the country. Do you actually think those kind of aircraft linked to, can make a large trail overhead and fly at the speed of jets?

YES OR NO?

Those planes fly into very specific weather conditions. This thread was started in regards to Texas water increase program aircraft. Those planes fly and partially penetrate growing thunderstorms in those project areas.

I mean the freaking map is on that webpage of the counties in Texas involved and each project area. You did look at it didnt you? And it is individual water districts in Texas paying for this too. These are not super sekrit projects. These are small districts trying to get more rainfall out of the clouds.

Some of you apparently think these small planes can carry hundreds of thousands of pounds of some mysterious chemtrail substance, can carry it across the country, make some huge trail, and fly at 3 times their normal speed when doing it.

Do you think these water districts have their own super sekrit airports too with their own vast air force? Some of you need to do your own homework on this.

I find it distressing that a great thread full of factual information is being twisted every way possible by two people desperately trying to link this thread to chemtrails specifically, when in fact the OP specifically states that is not what the purpose of this thread is. Deny Ignorance? It seems like creating ignorance, and both should know better. Shame on you two....

OP- great thread and info

Originally posted by Sri Oracle

Originally posted by firepilot
By the why, would you like to tell us how much of silver iodide is in those flares that you linked to.

Would you mind telling me how much silver iodide I could put into your baby's nursery?

I have no idea. I had never considered the chemical until I found out it was being disbursed by fleets of Cessnas to make it rain on me.

toxicity is in the dose.

how much uranium-238 would you be ok with your neighbor using to seed clouds?

Would you mind 30 ppb in the air? 15 ppm?

I was kind of content with the ppm of silver iodide we had in our atmosphere before these programs started.



Sri Oracle

[edit on 19-7-2010 by Sri Oracle]

Umm, what does this have to do with babies in a nursery and Uranium?

Are you stating that cloud seeding aircraft are flying into baby cribs and lighting uranium flares in the babies mouth?

Silly comparison, and just utter nonsense.

But, I will go ahead and answer a question that I posed. I prefer dealing in specifics and facts, not conjecture, and stupid comparisons of baby nurserys and uranium, when we are dealing with cloud seeding projects.

That page of the flares you link to, when your implication of these massive amounts of chemicals being "dumped", where i asked you about how much silver iodide was in the flares.

Oh the flares mounted on the wings with silver iodide contain actually 150 grams of it. The ejectable flares contain 20 grams each. a Cessna 340 used by that company, can have anywhere from 204 to 306 ejectable flares, and 24 of the flares on the wing.

And while you think baby nurseries make your point, lets actually look at what is on that page you linked to :

Aerial cloud seeding is the process of delivering a seeding agent by aircraft - either at the cloud base or cloud top. Top seeding allows for direct injection of the seeding agent into the supercooled cloud top. Base seeding is the release of the seeding agent in the updraft of a cloud base.

Funny, nothing about baby nurseries and uranium

Well I have encountered farmers in Western Canada and Northern US who claim to modify rain clouds by launching some projectile into the air to get rain north of a certain large valley.

This year they have way too much rain.lol

..so they keep a fleet of 35 Cessnas at weathermod.inc alone to rotate them out? Do they use one plane for each day of the month and the other 5 on holidays?

How about before asking more silly questions, that you actually go look at that website you linked to. The cloud seeding aircraft are NOT BASED IN FARGO. That is the company headquarters.

Or Do actually think a twin cessna, seneca or king air is based in Fargo, and then goes out to seed a thunderstorm across the country or across the world on a moments notice? These planes do not fly at Mach 5 you know. THESE are slow propeller aircraft.

They are project aircraft, sent out to whatever cloud seeding projects that some agency or district gives to that company. They get based in that project area for a certain length of time. They are used to seed thunderstorms in that particular project area?

WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS?

Weather Mod during the summer in North Dakota based several Cessna 340s and Piper Senecas and based them at small town country airports. 3 aircraft get sent to Alberta for the summer on a hail project. They used to have airplanes in Texas for the summer rain projects. They have some airplanes in Saudi Arabia, and used to have projects in Greece and Mali

If you are going to link to a website, you should at least read it. You used their site to back up your own claims, but that webpage disproves everything you say. If you did not notice it takes very specific weather conditions, and that aircraft get based in projects areas whenever someone hires that company, well I feel like I am emailing to a brick wall, that does not even bother to read the actual sites they link to.