Originally posted by neformore
Thing is Sri, if you read the thread, not one person is saying that weather modification isn't real.

Weather modification has been going on for years.

"Chemtrails" of the lines in the sky variety, born out of ignorance, paranoia and lies are a different subject altogether.

There are plenty in the audience who at this juncture are either unaware or coming to terms with the fact that weather modification is real, large in scale, and using... well toxicity is in the dose.... chemical agents. If nothing else I say: "Hello young 5th grader... welcome to weather science class." To them I say, "howdy, whatcha think of that? Important tidbit, no?"

I think the subject of whether the lines we see in the sky are chemtrails or not is up to debate. I don't know. I have no proof. I can't get up there to measure anything.

OBFUSCATION

I just want to make something VERY CLEAR because I believe there is massive disinformation generated by the "chemtrail vs contrail conspiracy" and that is:

IT HAPPENS ,else stand ye up and say it doesn't.

AIR PLANES OFTEN drop MASSIVE quantities of SILVER IODIDE, TRIMETHYL ALUMINUM, BARIUM, and PROPANE, into the SKY over large areas of North America, through state sponsored WEATHER MODIFICATION programs.

PERIOD.

Whether we can see this happening from the ground...
I don't know... I wouldn't be surprised...

Whether or not it makes people sick...
I don't know... I think it might.

Whether or not the next sexy image with chemtrails/contrails is proof or not of the dumping of MASSIVE quantities of SILVER IODIDE, TRIMETHYL ALUMINUM, BARIUM, and PROPANE, into the SKY over large areas of North America, through state sponsored WEATHER MODIFICATION programs...

I don't know... its up to debate.

MY POINT IS WE DO NOT NEED SUCH PROOF. It happens. It is a matter of fact.

This thread is to cut through the tin foil on this subject and GET DOWN TO THE CONCRETE FACTS regardless of visible or invisible:

I myself have made a paradigm shift or two myself within the timeframe of authoring this thread, so I apologize if any editing I've done to this point has confused anyone as to my purpose.

The purpose of this thread:

is to distil the subject of "chemtrail"
from the subject of "dumping weather modification chemicals into the sky".

The "visibility of chemtrails" vs. "are they just contrails" debate simply OBFUSCATES the subject WE SHOULD be discussing.

THIS IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD:

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Well....since you put it like that.....FINE!
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Now, I will still say that the vast majority of what people see is "Contrails" and not some chemical.
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"Chemtrails" people see in the sky still don't exist, they are seeing "Contrails."

But, I can now FULLY ADMIT admit that there is much more weather modification and chemicals being put into the air than what I was aware of!!

ONE CONVERTED.
ONE ONCE DISTRACTED;
NOW SEEING THE TRUTH.


SOMEBODY NEW TO CONSIDER THE NOTION:

I can now fully admit that there is much more
weather modification chemicals
being put into the air than what I was aware of.

and SINCE THEY ARE
dumping of MASSIVE quantities of
SILVER IODIDE, TRIMETHYL ALUMINUM, BARIUM, and PROPANE,
into the SKY over large areas of North America,
through state sponsored WEATHER MODIFICATION programs,

should I be CONCERNED???

SOMEBODY NEW BEYOND THE PARADIGM:

"...they're no such thing as chemtrails man... thats fake.... its all just contrails... simple science, water vortexes... Its just a big internet hoax... end of story"



Sri Oracle

it takes editing to make bb code look nice and to spell correcttededly thanks for reading


[edit on 19-7-2010 by Sri Oracle]

Cloud seeding is weather modification. Chemtrail believers latch onto some test from 9 year ago as proof of some vast conspiracy, but that was apparently a 1 time test, and it was some test to see if enough absorent material could be dropped to have an effect. Thats pretty unlikely, and the company looks like it went out of business too.

There are billions, probably trillions of tons of water in a hurricane. A putting a relatively small amount of absorbent material into it is like pissing in a monsoon, no effect.

And its not proof of some vast sekrit chemtrail conspiracy

How can you say it made a thunderstorm disappear? The storm disappeared, but thats the issue with trying to influence the weather. You do not know what would have happened if it was not attempted. Thunderstorms can have very short lifespans, especially heat driven storms.



Thats the same issue with cloud seeding for rainfall increase or hail supppression. You will never know with 100 percent certainly if there was any effect at all..but just hoping that statistics can show.

Next time there is a thunderstorm overhead, I will go out and honk my car horn 3 times. I bet that soon the storm will start dissipating, could I then claim the results of that and market honking my car horn as a way to make storms go away?

Originally posted by firepilot
Silver Iodide used in cloud seeding is real? Wow, thanks for the news flash, and welcome to the 1950s.

Thats about the only part that you got right however.

I was pretty sure that was old news too.

It's supposed to make it rain but, from what I remember, it's not terribly effective.

Originally posted by firepilot
How can you say it made a thunderstorm disappear? The storm disappeared, but thats the issue with trying to influence the weather. You do not know what would have happened if it was not attempted. Thunderstorms can have very short lifespans, especially heat driven storms.

Thats the same issue with cloud seeding for rainfall increase or hail supppression. You will never know with 100 percent certainly if there was any effect at all..but just hoping that statistics can show.

Have you ever fertilized corn?

Sri Oracle

So for something so large and vast in scale, where all are all these aircraft at? And how much of these eeevil chemicals are carried on a typical cloud seeding flight.How many airplanes?

And why is it they only seem to fly on thunderstorm days, when all those chemtrail nonsense is about clear skies and trails

And am I the only one who noticed while the thread if talking about the horrible environmental consequences of this vast program, that the supposed proof, is the environmental permitting from the state government office?


[edit on 19-7-2010 by firepilot]

Pay no attention to F---Fox that poor guy has been up way to long trying to debunk Chemtrails on another thread. His Massa won't let him have a break.
Here you come with another thread with proof positve, and the debunkers are already wore out, and you just doubled their work load.

I have always said cloud seeding projects are real. Its just disingenious of chemtrail believers to act like this is some major discovery of theirs, and then use it as proof of these large transport category aircraft spraying the stratosphere, when cloud seeding projects are anything but that.

I mean especially with linking to a company that does cloud seeding, but then not mentioning that their aircraft used are a limited number of small propeller aircraft. Why leave out that important detail?

Companies that do cloud seeding projects are not secret, nor do they use big aircraft, and not do the "dump" out vast amounts. Why do none of you that claim cloud seeding is behind chemtrails, actually never try to learn about cloud seeding and the aircraft used for it? Is it that freaking hard to try to learn something new?



[edit on 19-7-2010 by firepilot]

Okay, I will go ahead and pose the question.

How do projects that use single engine and twin engine piston aircraft, used to seed growing thunderstorms in order to attempt to to get more rainfall out of a thunderstorm, provide evidence for the "chemtrails" conspiracy.

I mean these are small aircraft incapable of leaving a visible trail, nor could you ever pack enough material in there for some vast trail across the sky. A Piper Comanche is not quite the kind of plane I see envisioned as proof of chemtrails