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EMT Accused Of Ignoring Dying Woman Is Killed [NYC]

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posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:44 AM
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One thing about N.Y ........... Its N.Y! .......... This was karma....N.Y Style!.




posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:47 AM
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Very odd. Whether karma or coincidence, it sure does seem like some sort of justice was at play here...cosmic or otherwise. Given the circumstanced, his seeming disregard for people might have been a factor here. Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people all the time, but once in a while the universe gets things right.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:51 AM
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Very true, one could speculate that this one incident was an example of his attitude, and that could open up any number of possibilities as to why someone would want to kill this person (EMT). I do know good people who have had one incident wreck their whole life everyone is human and makes mistakes. He happened to make a doozy.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 09:08 AM
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It is not surprising this situation developed....
Considering people have sued others for responding to their emergencies
when they were unhappy with the results of the attempts to help.
The EMTs were not on duty, and could possibly have faced a lawsuit if their attempt to help this woman had resulted in failure for any reason.
Though i find their reaction to the womans distress very repugnant, it come to mind that there have been very severe repercussions to those who have done their very best to assist those in distress.
Recently a person who saved somebody from drowning was charged with a criminal offense.
It is a good time to be looking at the whole way in which we view such situations legally.
Personally, i believe that i would do whatever i thought was nessessary to assist anybody in any distress.
However, this have proved to be at least legally, perhaps not the most prudent of reactions.
If the woman had died anyways its entirely possible those two EMTs would have faced all kinds of legal problems.perhaps not career ending but certainly not conducive to encouraging their assistance in this case.
(or any other for that matter)
That said, the whole incident and the ensuing "karma"
has proved unfortunate for all concerned....
This will probably include the shooter too in the end....
peace stirling.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 09:09 AM
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EMTs ignored a dying a woman because they were on a coffee break? What is up with that? If they had stopped what they were doing and made the 911 call the pregnant woman would have received a much needed on-scene assessment before arriving at the hospital and the emergency room physicians would have had a better understanding on how to treat her. However, Danishes and a cup of coffee seemed to be more pressing than a pregnant woman in distress?

The callous and selfish actions of a few will darken the reputation of the FDNY and the City of New York. All it takes is a few bad apples to ruin the bunch. Now there is probably litigation going on with the city and a multimillion dollar settlement to follow. If those two just took a mere 15 minutes to respond they would have been on the news as heroes and the New York City taxpayers would have been millions richer.

Now, for the man allegedly involved getting shot in the face? I am against vigilante justice and no one deserves a fate like that. However, it seems it may have been a reprisal against EMT Jason Green? I hope whoever committed the murder is brought to justice. It probably would have been better if Green was spared the murder and was allowed to live with the shame of his act. He would have been sued, lost his job, and may have been criminally charged for negligence. To me that would have been the best punishment, and the most enduring. Many seem to be out for themselves lately, and this is just another reminder.



[edit on 19-7-2010 by Jakes51]



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 09:09 AM
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This man who was shot may just have shined like a beacon for the wrong type of energies too and paid the ultimate price. Because meditate on your chakras for an example of detecting energy, these energies are most certainly is not an illusion or a subjective thing? The energies are there all around us and inside us.

I have a theory that bad energy attracts bad energy, bad knows bad!
There was a time when young that I was a pig, a thug, and a scum bag who loathed the world and everything in it and for some reason nothing ever seemed to go right for me. I also made enemies at every turn both male and female... I ended up hospitalised for years and nearly killed before I realised my great error.

Since I have been undergoing “something” my life is excellent, I am much happier and enemies? I have not one single enemy!

This EMT unfortunately never got to experience his own awakening and he never got a chance to try to make amends for the dreadful karmic crime he initiated (my opinion) and that is a tragedy just like the grubby tragedy of the mother he left to die.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 09:10 AM
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According to the lawyer,

protocol prevented them from intervening ...


At least some of the problem here is bureaucracy; that coupled with individual idiocy.


[edit on 7/19/2010 by wayno]

[edit on 7/19/2010 by wayno]



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 09:27 AM
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At least some of the problem here is bureaucracy; that coupled with individual idiocy.


Um, when did bureaucracy stop someone, anyone from calling 911?

EMT or not? That's just absurd... (Statement not directed at you Wayno, but bureaucracy - if it's true, which I doubt...)...

Anyway, I can't take time to research it out at the moment as there's a lightening storm going on and I dunno if my computer's karma is up to snuff...

That being said - Have the 'Good Samaritan Laws' been changed in the North East since I was a paramedic?

Back 'then' if you were an off-duty EMT or not - the law applied to EMT'S and laypeople - and you TRIED YOUR BEST TO HELP SOMEONE in an emergency situation - even if the person died, you could not be held responsible.

On the other hand if you neglected to help, you could be held responsible.

Those were the laws 'back then'...

Sounds like they've been changed (sad that) or a lot of people are unfamiliar with facts.

peace


[edit on 19-7-2010 by silo13]



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 09:40 AM
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I don't disagree with you about what should have been done. I just know that there are people out there in all fields of endeavour that get caught up with what they perceive to be the "rules" and let their own common sense, if they have any, go out the window.

I get frustrated all the time by people who prefer to follow protocol and procedures instead of thinking for themselves about what makes sense in the moment. Union people and nurses/health care workers for some reason are especially good/bad at this.

This is a tragic story, to be sure.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by SmokeJaguar67
when you get to understand the real idea behind karma you no longer take a glad heart in another persons demise too.


Wow, someone else that really gets it


To me, taking pleasure in someone's return negative Karma, is the same as "wishing towards them" negative occurrences. That, in of itself, is Karma due towards me.

Did that make ANY sense whatsoever? lol

Misfit



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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yes they should have helped that poor women . they at least could have stayed with her until properly equiped emts arrived. i think that if that ever happened to my lover and our baby BOTH emts would have very gruesome very painful accidents within weeks of my family passing. i pray i never have to deal with suck stupidity .



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Misfit

Originally posted by SmokeJaguar67
when you get to understand the real idea behind karma you no longer take a glad heart in another persons demise too.


Wow, someone else that really gets it


To me, taking pleasure in someone's return negative Karma, is the same as "wishing towards them" negative occurrences. That, in of itself, is Karma due towards me.

Did that make ANY sense whatsoever? lol

Misfit


it did to you and thats all that matters. LOL

I agree with you, what you said makes sense, bad thoughts bring you down... but to me karma is karma and I did not wish anything on that man he did not bring upon himself. I enjoy the thought of Karma and weather good karma gets carried out or bad I still enjoy it, its all for a reason you never know.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by Dumbass
So according to that theory that woman and baby probably received that painfull ending due to their Karma

Actually, to believe in Karma you must also believe in reincarnation. If you believe that's the way the universe works, then yes, that woman and baby had done something either in this life (woman) or in a previous life (unborn baby) that caused it to happen.

Once that bad something happens to you, your spirit is freed of the debt. In this case, that debt got passed onto the paramedic because of the decision he made.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by wayno
According to the lawyer,

protocol prevented them from intervening ...


At least some of the problem here is bureaucracy; that coupled with individual idiocy.


I think the lawyer is full of crap, as lawyers tend to be.


The Uniformed EMTs, Paramedics and Fire Inspectors union said at the time that all emergency-medical technicians, including dispatchers, are trained and compelled to respond to emergencies.


[edit on 7/19/10 by evil incarnate]



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 01:10 PM
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Karma for sure in this case. I see no reason why they should have not assisted that poor woman who needed their help.What comes around goes around and he certainly got his.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by stirling
It is not surprising this situation developed....
Considering people have sued others for responding to their emergencies
when they were unhappy with the results of the attempts to help.
The EMTs were not on duty, and could possibly have faced a lawsuit if their attempt to help this woman had resulted in failure for any reason.

I do believe ALL EMT's and doctors and nurses know about the "Good Samaritan Law", ...

Good Samaritan laws are laws or acts protecting those who choose to serve and tend to others who are injured or ill. They are intended to reduce bystanders' hesitation to assist, for fear of being sued or prosecuted for unintentional injury or wrongful death.
******SKIP******
New York's law provides for immunity for those who assist in an emergency.

Sooo, these "OFF DUTY" EMT's would or should have known that if they rendered aide to this woman, they would be protected by the Good Samaritan Law!

These EMT's had no LEGAL reason NOT to help that woman!

They even got suspended because of their actions, ...

EMTs suspended after refusing to help pregnant woman

Two emergency medical workers in New York City have been suspended without pay after refusing to help a pregnant woman who collapsed and died in front of them.
******SKIP******
The New York Fire Department apparently agreed with Bloomberg. NYFD officials told the Associated Press that all of its workers take an oath to assist people in need whenever they need emergency medical care.

No excuse AT ALL for not helping that woman!

[edit on 7/19/2010 by Keyhole]



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 01:57 PM
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Nice story. Too bad it wasn't related! I wish the family of that girl would've had the chance to shoot him in the face. I know if it were my family, I would have waited a good year or more to remove myself as a suspect, and then I would have taken my time getting personal with my revenge. If that girl's family is anything like me, then they are sorely disappointed that somebody else got to him first!

At least Karma won in the end. We need more of these "feel good" stories on ATS. Makes my heart warm!



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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any old plastic or paper bag would have saved her and the childs life

besides the oath they ve taken implyes that they have to help if needed with or without equipment and protocol.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 02:46 PM
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"Universal Law is well-established and is as strictly enforced as that which controls the planets revolutions around their suns. If you make a mistake, you pay the penalty - immediately, or 1 days time or in 1 years time, or in 10 years time, or 10 centuries time, but errors must be paid for." The Angel Thoa, from the Planet Thiaoouba from Michel Desmarquets Book The Thiaoouba Prophecy

When your preception isn't so narrow you can begin to connect the dots and see how the law of kharma works. It is part of the the self perfecting design instilled by The Great Spirit.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by silo13

Um, when did bureaucracy stop someone, anyone from calling 911?


There actually a thread I read on ATS where I member said he was at work and someone was choking. No one would help him becasue they were afraid of being sued. I believe the guy died.

Perfect example.

Well I was close in my memory
Here's the thread

b

[edit on 19-7-2010 by Bspiracy]



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