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posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by Leonardo01
what do ya suppose the reasons for the radical makeover?


evolution.


Why would god place such a wuss "humans" at the zenith of his creation? Also why did he not grant us awesome lighting powers or something?


the bible says that GOD's strength is made perfect in our weakness.




posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 03:42 AM
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God is only good, because truth as a whole can not be bad,
so bad is another word for choice. God is One, so to be one
with god you have to let him carry a cross through you,
the cross of live, it literally means erasing choice,
so that in every 2 options you only have one option,
instead of ignorance.

Sin is another word for lie and choice (ignorance)
based on gods law of oneness, equality. What is one has
an equal cross. Thats why God pays everyone one
penny whatever the time of starting the work. It doesnst mean
that god does not pay equally, it means he actually does,
because at the end of your "way" we become free as
one in will with god, outside time, being all time.


[edit on 20-7-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
reply to post by Leonardo01
 

I wish you good luck in your discussions,
im not usefull right now for you.


OP, it seems you've mysteriously reached a stage of enlightenment whereby the usefulness has materialized!

Seriously, though... it is my humble belief that any spiritual belief is by nature a deeply personal belief. Belief... we use that word, and faith for that matter, because none of us can fully wrap our limited brains around such huge concepts as God, Universe, etc. I believe we get glimpses when our minds are quiet and calm and thoughtful. I also believe we drop back to sheer faith/belief (including atheists--belief in No God) when we reach a point of complexity of thought that necessitates a step back.

Ok, that just did not even answer even your first question! Where did God come from? Beats me. Still, I cannot escape the feeling of IS. That God IS. That's my starting point. I could tell you what I think about the Old Testament vs. New Testament, but that would just be what I think. What if I am wrong and I influence your thinking? I'd feel really bad about that



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 09:36 AM
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hey, it is that thinking that stops people of grasping to understand god,
god can be understood (now). Truth is not something abstract,
consciousness is not abstract, associating words is not difficult,
logic thinking brings simplicity.

everytime someone tries to understand god,
people tell, it is impossible,
i tell you, it is not impossible (anymore)

thats why i wrote, im not usefull for you guys,
because logic thinking gets replaced with a vague
understanding of what is possible, which
dominates and blinds itself to the simplicity of logic and love (setting free Truth= forgiving God). because there is no need yet.
It is need that opens the eyes, and need is another
word for the cross. Thats why eyes are blinded,
and ears cant hear, because their crosses are not always full yet,
or the reason for them to hear not yet there.

God, Truth is so simple, youll need a lot of time just
to accept the waste of time you offered to a life
of ilussion and beliefsystems. If there was a time promised
to start understanding god, it is now.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 09:46 AM
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To add to the question of what god is,
god is not a place, in god there is no place except
that what he wishes to see and be.
A place is a "belief" in god, space and time are
"beliefs" in god. Thats why the universe can be neverending
because it is not a material, it is a belief. Like a dream
God doesnt need space, he is all space.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 10:16 AM
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do you believe in the benevolent, all-loving father that the bible proposes as god?


No, I don't believe it. Furthermore, I can prove the contrary (within the Bible's stories) with the following points....

1. The Great Flood (slaughter of nearly every human on earth)
2. The Ten Plagues of Egypt (slaughter of innocent infants)
3. Pillar of Salt (for just looking back at one's home?)
4. Armageddon (not exactly a message of love)...

(and many more, but I doubt they are needed)

You'd have to pick and choose to think of God as all-loving... From the Bible's own texts, he appears capable of all of the sins and emotions attributed to us lowly humans...(anger, murder, vanity, etc.)

You have to take the good with the bad, if you are going to hold those texts as sacred.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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he is the good and the bad, but the bad he releases from himself
and put on your shoulders, thats why he takes all sin,
without being bad, and thats why we seperated from him are judged
by the law to death, because truth is what stays and lies is what "burns" away.

the stories you mention are far more important symbolically
then literal, but in a godworld they are not that impossible of happening.
The question is, do we need to know if it happened ?
or do we have to concentrate on what a normal person can know ? logic ?

the story of the saltpillar and lot is the basic of understanding god,
the prophet(son) leaves his old truth (lie or wife) behind, by reflection,
she looks back, he becomes the new husband. it is all symbolic but was played out literal to let humanity allow bad to rule, the lies to rule.
without those lies choice for and in and by god is impossible and truth would put the lies outside itself, meaning truth would not be absolute and illogical and god could not exist, in other words reality could not exsist.

The flood is similar, everything is made in pairs, which means reflecting lies into truth, wife into man. the man (truth) beats the wife into its new place, where the old wife dies and the new truth (man) again starts the circle of reflecting (boomerand or lost sheep, u-turn). It means Thesis, anti-thesis and syntheses to repeat the circle again and again. The Synthesis is the son that is born.

Those symbols are used through all religions in the whole world and tell the same story. This has nothing to do with coincidence, but with a perfect built history, the pit or hell, where god/truth is inversed so Truth can be everything without being bad. It is the place where God is born, even when he always exsisted.



[edit on 20-7-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 03:05 AM
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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
God is only good, because truth as a whole can not be bad,
so bad is another word for choice. God is One, so to be one
with god you have to let him carry a cross through you,
the cross of live, it literally means erasing choice,
so that in every 2 options you only have one option,
instead of ignorance.

Sin is another word for lie and choice (ignorance)
based on gods law of oneness, equality. What is one has
an equal cross. Thats why God pays everyone one
penny whatever the time of starting the work. It doesnst mean
that god does not pay equally, it means he actually does,
because at the end of your "way" we become free as
one in will with god, outside time, being all time.


[edit on 20-7-2010 by pasttheclouds]


God is not good. In fact it is very very evil. If it is eternal, all knowing and omnipresent as you state...he has the power to stop evil. However he does not.God in fact condones it and thus it is evil.

Your logic is also intrinsically flawed as is apparent from your inability to post coherent posts in English. The truth is not necessarily good, often it is harsh and cruel. Lies have been shown to save your lives at times and they are merely instruments that we use.

Which is why the biblical version of a good, all loving god cannot exist...thank you.



[edit on 21-7-2010 by Leonardo01]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 03:07 AM
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Truth,Everything can not be bad because it can not be bad compared to
another thing that can not exsist outside it.

succes.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 03:10 AM
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BS! The truth can cost you life and also of the ones you love depending on a given situation....since it is not beneficial in this case, it ain't good.

The truth could also leave you scarred and traumatized....perhaps your understanding of the world is limited by what you read in the bible.'

Also you haven't answered my question. What you have done instead is to post an ambiguous statement which shows that you are not here to have an objective discussion but merely to advocate your propaganda. You must stop now; you have failed.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Leonardo01]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 03:14 AM
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start seperating reactions, emotions and logic.
its not because something is hurtfull that it is not true.
Truth hurts to untruths.
Life hurts what is not alive yet.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 03:20 AM
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Originally posted by v01i0
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I thought that bible clearly states that God is eternal. It's a hard concept for human being to understand. Ex nihilo nihil fit.

About the slight attitude change between old and new testament: It becomes quite clear that Job demonstrated to God that man is actually capable of being more supreme in a conscious way. Then God wanted to become man, thus J.C was born. But it was epic fail because J.C didn't born out of "human". Virgin Mary was free of original sin, typical to whole mankind, hence she was not a human being in that sense. And she got pregnant from spirit. So J C wasn't actually man. Well the story then evolves so that now every human being is capable to become Christ or even greater.

In almost every religious tradition there is the story of god becoming man. I think it is because we have symbolized god according to our own hybris.

I know, it's all story with few implications in reality. But it's still a good book if you want to introduce yourself in psyche of christian world.

-v


All things have a cause and effect and must have a beginning or inception or origin. The concept of an entity is merely a conjecture and there is no evidence to show that such an entity exists.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 03:20 AM
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How can someone who tries to help you fail ?
real failing is judging the help you receive as wrong
before you understand it.
Or expecting everyone to talk good english


haha...anyway... a laughing buddha was promised,
and god he will need it
)

you asked me to stop answering, so take care for now.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
No, I don't believe it. Furthermore, I can prove the contrary (within the Bible's stories) with the following points.... 1. The Great Flood (slaughter of nearly every human on earth) 2. The Ten Plagues of Egypt (slaughter of innocent infants) 3. Pillar of Salt (for just looking back at one's home?) 4. Armageddon (not exactly a message of love)... (and many more, but I doubt they are needed) You'd have to pick and choose to think of God as all-loving... From the Bible's own texts, he appears capable of all of the sins and emotions attributed to us lowly humans...(anger, murder, vanity, etc.) You have to take the good with the bad, if you are going to hold those texts as sacred.


That is precisely the point I am trying to make.If you think indeed that there is a maker then look at the world around you.As art is a reflection of the maker then the world shows that god is perhaps more of a malevolent and insidious entity than anything that is remotely "good".

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Leonardo01]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 03:33 AM
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There in fact is a God, or "maker" as you call it. The problem? It's a total douche.

Can't everything bad in the world be explained by an omniscient douchey deity?

Just reminded me of this:



[edit on 7/21/2010 by whatukno]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 03:47 AM
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Well its nice to hear similar thoughts.I did postulate this idea in another thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

However I do not agree with the concept of a maker or designer.[IMHO]

There are also flaws in the bible: It states that god is eternal and all knowing

Then my two strongest arguments against omnipotence are:

1)How did "it" fail in seeing the betrayal of Satan and the angels that rebelled?

2)It must have known that Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit.T
his makes the whole concept of original sin a fallacy.






[edit on 21-7-2010 by Leonardo01]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 05:18 AM
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Originally posted by Leonardo01
There are also flaws in the bible: It states that god is eternal and all knowing

Then my two strongest arguments against omnipotence are:

1)How did "it" fail in seeing the betrayal of Satan and the angels that rebelled?

2)It must have known that Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit. This makes the whole concept of original sin a fallacy.


yes, perhaps.
except if you are using the bible as a yardstick, since one of some sort is necessary for this discussion, those two things you list are neither one actually biblical.

they are religious myths!
created by the men who created the church.

who says "satan" rebelled and took angels with him? satan isn't even a name - it is a title and the true identity of "satan" is found in the bible, too - "satan" is "the anger of the Lord".

original sin is a made-up concept for the purpose of sustaining the false need for religion.

the bible isn't about sin - it is about the truth of life and death - all illusion.
mankind capitalized on the sin idea because it was profitable in various ways.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 05:41 AM
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I would like you to elaborate on this as "satan" is actually a title given to various entities in the bible. Where does it state that "satan' is actually the "anger of god"?

(Unfortunately the discussions will have to be kept limited to the definitions provided by the bible for now. However I would like an in depth theosophical discussion in another thread perhaps but not now.)

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Leonardo01]



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 05:54 AM
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Master plan bro!

Lucifer fell, because God made man, and Lucifer didn't like that one bit. Cause he was the jealous type and God being a total douche, decided to sick Michael on him. Michael being Gods little [snip] did what he was told and sent Lucifer to the pit.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Leonardo01
I have a few questions that I hope that the "enlightened" ones will answer:

How did the creator come into existence in the first place?


He's eternal. That means He has always existed. (Not created)


The holy bible sorta confuses me, I mean in the old testament god is shown to be a badass punishing nasty evil humans but in the new testament he is shown to be loving, benevolent and all.


He's the same in the OT as the NT. If you only look at His wrath and judgment in the OT then you're only looking at 1/5 of His attributes. basically a biased sample or straw man fallacy in your reasoning with yourself.


Which one is real and what do ya suppose the reasons for the radical makeover?


Same God.


Why would god place such a wuss "humans" at the zenith of his creation? Also why did he not grant us awesome lighting powers or something?


We were given free will, no other created being has this capacity.



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