NZ will be invaded NOT LONG FROM NOW!!

I live in New Zealand, I always hoped non of the world conflicts would come to NZ, it has been relatively peaceful, and I hoped that any WWIII would be far, far away from NZ so that we may not feel the effects.

All that being said, all that hope I had has shattered, especially just realizing how world powers could use NZ as pit stop for a future conflict over Antarctica.

If NZ even stays neutral, but does not allow some aggressive empires to use NZ as a base, there will be an invasion, or at least war.

This is the depressing side of the story:

New Zealand must be prepared for conflict over resources in Antarctica, according to a speaker at an international conference on the continent's politics.

Denis Gibbs, who will complete a doctorate on the subject this year, said New Zealand needed to begin considering the potential for conflict around Antarctica in its defence strategies.

www.stuff.co.nz...


I don't think there is a positive side to the story, especially knowing the Bullism attitude of current empires.

But to not allow the hope of optimists die, I will add that NZ may receive a share of those resources found in Antarctica.

Those shares could boost NZ economy etc etc.

But that is optimism, NZ can't even make its voice heard in regards to anti-Whaling, how can it be heard in regards to resources which millions have been killed over.

I love NZ, and I don't want a conflict to come to the world's most peaceful nation.

oz

government officials have been putting together contingency plans over what will happen once there is an open shiiping route north of canada since at least before 2000, and i can state this from personal experience.

there will have to be a monitoring force and a declaration of ownership in place no matter what

Hey you know New Zealand has already been invaded a couple of times already!

I'm not sure there is case for invasion based upon access to Antarctic resources, except maybe by Australians, and that would be a kind of reverse justice , no?. It might be more likely that places like the Falklands, with far less sheep to defend them, are on the invasion list.

I see you're optimistic about NZ sharing in Antarctic resource development, but it would be nice to see some NZ cajones in defending what I thought was supposed to be a SANCTUARY. New Zealand might then qualify for invasion, but would certainly receive my support and respect thus swelling the size of the defending army to 100 or so !

I mean face it, "Zealand" isn't even recognized in a spell check.

Driving to work on any given day I'll see no less than 3 McDonalds restaurants in the half hour drive.

Theres a nice foriegn Spy-Base sitting down in Waihopai. Part of a intelligence network led by UK and US interests.


Our NZSIS main building in my city has the ability to monitor ALL electronic communications inbound, outbound and internal of NZ...and they're monitoring it predominately NOT for NZ interests.


Our PM just advised that our school-aged children should be encouraged to learn Chinese to further future trade relationships.


American Dept of Homeland Security is regularly updated with lists, passport Ids etc of all passengers leaving NZ for other countries...so too those flying in.
You fly to Aussie, someone is America will know. You fly to China, someone in America will know. You land in NZ from anywhere...someone in America will know.
This is done willingly by our own Dept of Immigration and NZSIS.


For the last few years our country has been observing Halloween.


If there is to ever be an *invasion* well, it'll be like showing up to the party fashionably late when the kegs already been tapped and the BBQ is about to be served up...the door is already wide open and their names already on the party-list...


Still - we can ask ourselves - WWWD...What Would Willie Do...

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Originally posted by wx4caster
government officials have been putting together contingency plans over what will happen once there is an open shiiping route north of canada since at least before 2000, and i can state this from personal experience.

there will have to be a monitoring force and a declaration of ownership in place no matter what

What does this have to do with the Post ?

Are you confusing the two ends of the earth ?

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I think there is plenty more to be concerned about - pretty sad yes, but on the whole absolutely inevitable.

The coming climate change, resource scarcity, population explosion, food depletion, soil degradation, water depletion etc - is going to effect every country. Yes New Zealand will be over run but it will not be simply through resources from Antarctica.

The one positive potential outcome is that the world goes to absolute meltdown so quickly that major populations and and powers lose control of their sovereignty - which is predicted by many.

This will leave NZ fairly safe. Could be an excellent place to be actually.

My opinion of a gradual start and then very sudden and dramatic collapse is the most likely scenario - a long drawn out protracted melt down is unlikely. Countries like China will tear themselves apart - similar with much of south east asia.

Smaller nations like Japan, Korea may pose a threat - US will be in meltdown. Australia would most likely seek to protect NZ as it could become a staging post for attacks. Australia would most likely turn NZ into a self governing protectorate - self administered but ultimately dominated by Australia - NZ would have reps in Australia.

Terrifying scenario - but without any doubt global meltdown is literally less than twenty years away.

Dear New Zealand,

Although we parted ways a while ago (hey, it wasn't your fault – we had just outgrown each other), I would like to let you know if you feel the need to talk, I'm always here for you. If you feel threatened, I'll be there to back you up (even if it's over something silly like that little Rainbow Warrior affair back in the 80's).

I think of you often, and just want you to know that you will always hold a place in my heart. Although you may have heard I've moved into Australia, after a long time wondering the world, don't think the less of me. It's purely platonic. I needed a place to stay, and Australia had a room available.

I know times have been tough recently, and I understand that you needed to forge a new identity, but really (and I'm being completely honest there) what I see you doing to yourself makes me sad. Yes, you felt the need to follow the latest trends by embracing American lifestyles, but ask yourself, deep down – do you really need a McDonalds in every town? Does that new highway bypassing all our favourite towns really make you a better country?

May I be blunt here? The US is using you. Ask yourself, what do you get from this relationship? Yes, it may be new and exciting, but look around. You'll find many other countries have had the same love affair and been dumped as soon as America gets bored. I just worry for you sometimes.

Deep down I know you'll always be the New Zealand that I grew up on and love still to this day.

I just want to see you happy again. Call me.

Your loving friend
Shane

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Originally posted by alien
Our PM just advised that our school-aged children should be encouraged to learn Chinese to further future trade relationships.

China has had it's eye on the Pacific for some time now. They will probably move in and take over a small island nation first then move in on New Zealand later. Since half of their defense force and SAS is in Afghanistan and despite having minimal air force) they are a sitting duck.

When I think of the New World Order , I always remember the New Zealand film Sleeping Dogs with Sam Neil .Made before He made the big time . Anyone know what I'm talking about ? Dark times ahead .

Dont underestimate the power of Maoridom .(The natives of N.Z)
The treaty of waitangi serves its purpose for a reason...peace .
Our chiefs have buried their weapons of war ,
The sleeping giant should never be awoken ,
What would be the consequences of invasion of Aoetearoa ?
Do not think for one second my people will lay down and allow this to happen .
If invasion or war is ever brought to Aoetearoa the conflict will be terrible and horriffic for any who with violence try and take our land from us.
The haka is not to be mettled with , it means something , warfare will always flow through maori veins and only peace and cooperation has subdued the bloodshed ,and made a brighter future for the children hence i promise you on my ancestor Hone Heke , that the first sign of war will see the maori men get their moko and face any foe of this peace we have established , with mana and utu ,
We will meet it , and use all our cunning to defend it ,with no fear of death knowing the option is far worse , there is one thing you(meaning they) dont want , and that is to underestimate the true power of the maori people when faced with war , hence ,do not wake the sleeping giant , technolgy will mean nothing , numbers will mean nothing , Aoetearoa has spilled blood before ,
I shudder to think of the consequences should it be invaded , it wont be a pushover , and it wont be done , It has never been conqored by war , only by treaty ...so shall it be ....KIA KAHA !

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Yeah sure, if your prepared to take on a Communist state with possibly the largest military in the world harboring nuclear arms. Sure, give it a try.

Originally posted by NeutronAvenger
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Yeah sure, if your prepared to take on a Communist state with possibly the largest military in the world harboring nuclear arms. Sure, give it a try.

Erm that's assuming China sends ALL of its troops to NZ.

Don't ever underestimate the underDog.

NZ should rightfully tell every bugger to sod off.

New Zealand will never be invaded.
It moves around too much!

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Don't ever underestimate the underDog.

Hasn't always worked out in history mr-lizard. And remember, if you give some countries and inch, they take a mile.

NZ should rightfully tell every bugger to sod off.

Not with their immigration laws

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Ae! tika tena!


Absolutely - if faced with overwhelming numbers and resources our country would likely fall.
And I assure those reading this that its not from any *keyboard warrior* posting, but rather from someone who is tuturu Maori (staunch Maori).

Death in battle is not something at all feared. In fact, death in battle is prized!

Hence why our people have historically been some of the the most vicious, respected and feared Warriors ever to step forth on any battlefield.

We may well die...but likely not before taking a good number down with us.


I know my own hapu/subtribe was never defeated in the numerous battles with Colonial Forces during the NZ Land Wars...despite being extremely outnumbered and out-gunned.
In fact, the rohe/tribal area we populated at the time was deemed 'off limits' by the Colonial command due to the huge loss of numbers incurred whenever they attempted to invade our whenua/land.

They soon learnt to simply go *around* our tribal boundaries and leave us alone rather than face us and die.


Indeed that was then this is now...and there are no garauntees the fervour and focus of those times still exists within our hapu today...but I do believe there is little more dangerous within Aotearoa/NZ than a Maori who is being forced from their land.

Originally posted by alien
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Hence why our people have historically been some of the the most vicious, respected and feared Warriors ever to step forth on any battlefield.

And the rape and pillage of the Moriori's.

These people lived by a code of non-violence and passive resistance, which led to their near-extinction at the hands of Māori invaders en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by StaceyWilson

If invasion or war is ever brought to Aoetearoa (sic) the conflict will be terrible and horriffic for any who with violence try and take our land from us.

I think it will be a walkover pretty much. Sure, Black Power and the Mongies have a few arms lying around but we really have a pretty much non-existent Defence Force and no real air force and the majority of the population are disenfranchised from arms ownership and cultural differences.

Originally posted by StaceyWilsonThe haka is not to be mettled with , it means something

Nothing a bullet wouldn't stop and in the context of modern warfare the Haka is laughable.

Originally posted by StaceyWilsonAoetearoa (sic)has spilled blood before ,
I shudder to think of the consequences should it be invaded , it wont be a pushover , and it wont be done , It has never been conqored by war , only by treaty ...so shall it be ....KIA KAHA !

I'm sure there were Iwi that conquered other Iwi, such as Kai Tahu and their invasion of the South Island. Don't kid yourself with your over-inflated sense of rebellion. We would be over run, no matter how staunch you think you are. Once were Warriors meets robocop...it's no contest.

Originally posted by alien


Indeed that was then this is now...and there are no garauntees the fervour and focus of those times still exists within our hapu today...but I do believe there is little more dangerous within Aotearoa/NZ than a Maori who is being forced from their land.

Again, that may well be an attitude which prevails against the Pakeha and a sense of injustice accompanying it, but confronted by an Invasion force we would be worse off than Tutae Kuri.

Originally posted by NeutronAvenger
Since half of their defense force and SAS is in Afghanistan and despite having minimal air force) they are a sitting duck.

Given the numbers it wouldn't make a difference anyway.

Originally posted by 13th Zodiac
When I think of the New World Order , I always remember the New Zealand film Sleeping Dogs with Sam Neil .Made before He made the big time . Anyone know what I'm talking about ? Dark times ahead .

Oh, 'Smith's Dream' by C.K. Stead.

Basically we don't have the numbers of the ordinance or the infrastructure to be able to withstand an invasion and given the logistics of moving an invasion force to Aotearoa/New Zealand any country that can do that will overrun us relatively easily and sure, there will be pockets of resistance but they would be stamped out pretty quickly.

We've already been invaded by American Culture anyway and you don't see rebellion against consumerism and bad television!

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Originally posted by aorAki
We've already been invaded by American Culture anyway and you don't see rebellion against consumerism and bad television!

Sadly...completely agree. Hence my first reply.

We didn't rebel against it, we lined up for it, signed up for it, downloaded it on our Ipods and near demanded it closer, quicker, cheaper and 24/7...

Invade New Zealand you say ...

Doesn't seem to difficult

If there was a war over Antarctica, one of the best post for the empires would be NZ, and if NZ does not allow a rout to Antarctica for which ever empire, one will take the opportunity to find an excuse for invasion.

NZ is helpless, that is when Australia will get involved and claim NZ as part of its own territory.

I'm assuming Australia will get involved, and will be the first to invade, but if not the first, will start war with an empire over dispute of NZ territorial claim, hence they already call NZ in some ways, part of Australia.

They are claiming NZ teams as part of their own, for example when NZ made it to Foot Ball world cup, the Australians claimed it as their own team.

This is the slow preparation they are making for future dispute over NZ, and the potential proxy war which may be played by which ever empire/

NZ can't stay independent for long.