Report: Afghan, Iraq wars teaching US gang members military combat

reply to post by mordant1


I have this friend, really good friend ofmine. After I got out of the military, he enlisted.

They sent him straigh to fallujah. He spent his whole time fighting over there, he was a sergent in one year. He had his own platoon, and was a straight up killer.

That said, before that, he was a Latin King. He was a WHITE BOY, in a mexican gang, and so was his brother. His brother being my best friend.

He went into the military, did his thing, and NOW, he is currently living in Alaska, soon to be a Police Officer.

He isnt sitting back in the streets doing what he was doing before, his entire service changed him, and made him into a real man.


-Edit- Apologies to you if I have offended you in anyways. Just to let you know, that was not my intention.

[edit on 18-7-2010 by Common Good]

reply to post by Wayne60


Iv'e known that gang members were going into the military for training for a couple of years.
That does not bother me.
Here's my thinking.
Said gang members will be better equipped mentally for any incursions on the United States.
Instant militia if you will.

Originally posted by mordant1
reply to post by groingrinder

 

THe point us not this book or that book, it's that we have given grossly antiamerican subversive criminal elements training and the actual keys to the kingdom. By no realistic estimation is a gangmenber a true american, irresponsible legalities and other black letter law notwithstanding

They are more American than obama, bush or any of their chicken-hawk banker gangster cronies... DC mafia thugs steal houses, pensions, savings, lives, nations, rights, freedoms and trillions... unapologetic GREED and power.

I'd trust my local veteran cholo neighbors long before I trust LAPD, any federal so called "authority".. or any GOP or DNC bottom feeder in congress.. besides Ron Paul.

This is classic divide & conquer with a sprinkling of "fear fear fear".. yawn.. it's a stale tactic.. although I'm sure Goebbels would approve.

Originally posted by GovtFlu

Originally posted by mordant1
reply to post by groingrinder

 

THe point us not this book or that book, it's that we have given grossly antiamerican subversive criminal elements training and the actual keys to the kingdom. By no realistic estimation is a gangmenber a true american, irresponsible legalities and other black letter law notwithstanding

They are more American than obama, bush or any of their chicken-hawk banker gangster cronies... DC mafia thugs steal houses, pensions, savings, lives, nations, rights, freedoms and trillions... unapologetic GREED and power.

I'd trust my local veteran cholo neighbors long before I trust LAPD, any federal so called "authority".. or any GOP or DNC bottom feeder in congress.. besides Ron Paul.

This is classic divide & conquer with a sprinkling of "fear fear fear".. yawn.. it's a stale tactic.. although I'm sure Goebbels would approve.

Comparing the relative value of one set of gangsters against another set of gangsters is pointless when both prey upon the productive public. You straw man doesnt hunt. My belief is that they should all be dropped off mid ocean, whether is a 1o000$ suit or dewrag, but that's not gonna happen, and they will continue to threaten us with subpeonas or with a knife.
At this point the productive middle class is being preyed upon by street criminal being given cultural cover and ever greater power to loot and intimidate by the official criminals, and they both intend to go for the golden egg they think is inside responsible public.
One should not allow criminals and subversives in the gov't at any level, it is demeaning for those who served honorably, as a sacrifice, not some job program for defectives
You have to ask yourself what principles you hold to, are they the ideals of the founders or the pragmatism of blood relations and foreign tribe.
You cant have it both ways, you just cant.

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Originally posted by StaceyWilson

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reply to post by Common Good


First, your above post was not in the thread when I wrote my reply. For that I apologize.

However, as nice as training is, it is not at all the same as being in the bad guy's territory while people are dying around you.

With your training, I appreciate the dedication you showed in serving this country and can only reply Semper Fi!

Article Item (written by a Marine):

For my family, Semper Fidelis is more than a fancy slogan. It is truly a way of life. My father retired from the Marine Corps in the 90s, after serving over twenty years and more than one tour of duty in a combat zone. Therefore, my two brothers and I grew up in a culture that demanded excellence and loyalty of its members, and it showed. It is partially for this reason, I am convinced, that we all joined the Marine Corps when we were of the appropriate age. Because of my upbringing, it is somewhat difficult to imagine what life would be like, had I not grown up surrounded by living, breathing personifications of "Semper Fidelis," and I am increasingly beginning to realize that I do not understand the mindset of those who had not. It is this realization that led me to reflect on the history of the phrase, and speculate the reason it holds such weight with the members of the Marine Corps..
The first thing I questioned was the Latin thing. Why not simply make the slogan "Always Faithful," since that is what the Latin phrase literally means? More people would certainly understand it. Apparently, whenever someone has something important to say, he translates it to Latin, and that lends the phrase credibility and respectability.

E Plurbus Unum. Pro bono. Carpe Diem. Mea Culpa. Sic Semper Tyrannus. The phrases are a part of our culture, but not native to our language. Unless we have been taught what they mean separately from our education in English, we would have no idea. I would wager that Semper Fidelis means more to those who use it than just about any other Latin phrase in use today.

Customarily, though, Latin has also been the language of law. Habeus Corpus, Stare Decisis, and Per Curium are terms one commonly would come across if he did only a precursory exploration of legal decisions. Even the United States adopted the practice of using Latin in its written Constitution, in spite of the desire to create a Constitution that could be easily understood by common people, who typically could not read and write Latin. However, America was a special case. The people had already been governing themselves for some time before the revolution. Unlike today, now that apathy reigns, participation in local politics was almost necessary for survival. That atmosphere of social and political cooperation was one that was replete with Latin phrases. America was unique--set apart from the other countries--for just that reason. It was a province that was governed by the people, not kings--and its people would not relinquish that tradition without a fight!

Front page in the Chicago Sun Times newspaper? This is old news. Here is an incident from as earlier as 2005 about a former Marine killing police officers in 2005 and another news report from years ago about a gang initiation taking place on US military installation in Germany.





They have known for quite some time that the criminal element has entered into the ranks of the military.

FBI report on gangs in the military

Gang-related activity in the US military is increasing and poses a threat to law enforcement officials and national security. Members of nearly every major street gang have been identified on both domestic and international military installations. Although most prevalent in the Army, the Army Reserves, and the National Guard, gang activity is
pervasive throughout all branches of the military and across most ranks, but is most common among the junior enlisted ranks . . .

I have been aware of this since my time in military, and I got out in 2002. I remember going to clubs and seeing service members parading around flagging and wearing gang apparel. They were so blatantly obvious with it that one would have to be a fool not to notice. Then at places around base you would see their graffiti all over the place.

The crazy thing is that senior leadership turned a blind-eye to much of it. If they really cared they could have looked into the matter and gave them a warning to discontinue their gang banging activities. Practically everyone knew what was going on. Rather than bring attention and possible scandal the military bureaucracy remained mum about it. However, with that element around there is a risk to command and cohesion because many of their loyalties lie elsewhere.

Furthermore, there would be an escalation of crime and violence. Military weapons and equipment could end up missing and fraudulent use of government funds as well. Most of these criminals are still criminals no matter what uniform they put on. Always looking for the next scam and an easy mark to take down.

The corrections officer cited in the article acts like he is shocked and surprised about what he encountered in theater? He is only beating a dead horse, because the DOD and the DOJ has been aware for quite some time that gang culture has infiltrated the armed forces. Their inaction could prove costly and that is the most important element of the story. If these gangs use the training learned in the armed forces against the general populace and law enforcement? We could have on the streets lawlessness unseen since in this country since the days of Al Capone. Shootouts in broad daylight, and blatant attacks on law enforcement.

reply to post by Jakes51


Not making waves is the brasses perceived job now, nothing to do with any irritating obligation to nation or constitution. Stuff I saw when I was in, money wasted, cronies promoted, incompetance rewarded. Decent folks sidelined for not playing along in the corruption of it.
Most just try to get in, get their ticket punched towards turkey or star and bail before whatever house of cards exists collapses. As long as they get their retirement and base privileges.
The general lack of appropriate standard in this culture is what lets other cultures creep in to take over. Pretty much money taken from everyones pockets for national defense is being mostly stolen and wasted and few know or care. And if you canat rely on a sincere defence you got no future as soon as that gets out.
And it's been out for a while.

Originally posted by mordant1

Originally posted by GovtFlu

Originally posted by mordant1
reply to post by groingrinder

 

THe point us not this book or that book, it's that we have given grossly antiamerican subversive criminal elements training and the actual keys to the kingdom. By no realistic estimation is a gangmenber a true american, irresponsible legalities and other black letter law notwithstanding

They are more American than obama, bush or any of their chicken-hawk banker gangster cronies... DC mafia thugs steal houses, pensions, savings, lives, nations, rights, freedoms and trillions... unapologetic GREED and power.

I'd trust my local veteran cholo neighbors long before I trust LAPD, any federal so called "authority".. or any GOP or DNC bottom feeder in congress.. besides Ron Paul.

This is classic divide & conquer with a sprinkling of "fear fear fear".. yawn.. it's a stale tactic.. although I'm sure Goebbels would approve.

Comparing the relative value of one set of gangsters against another set of gangsters is pointless when both prey upon the productive public. You straw man doesnt hunt. My belief is that they should all be dropped off mid ocean, whether is a 1o000$ suit or dewrag, but that's not gonna happen, and they will continue to threaten us with subpeonas or with a knife.
At this point the productive middle class is being preyed upon by street criminal being given cultural cover and ever greater power to loot and intimidate by the official criminals, and they both intend to go for the golden egg they think is inside responsible public.
One should not allow criminals and subversives in the gov't at any level, it is demeaning for those who served honorably, as a sacrifice, not some job program for defectives
You have to ask yourself what principles you hold to, are they the ideals of the founders or the pragmatism of blood relations and foreign tribe.
You cant have it both ways, you just cant.

I hold my own principles, I don't need to be led or rely on the ideals of long dead guys to form my opinions.

You can call them criminals, gangsters, cholos.. I call them neighbors & brother veterans with whom I have garnered an atmosphere of mutual respect.. when in rome. These people posses traits lacking in the ranks of the GOP/DNC DC mafia, so called "authorities": like virtue & testicular fortitude.

They'd go to jail before ratting on anyone they respect, and because I live in "their barrio", should any "hood hopper" commit a crime against me or mine.. these "criminal" cholo OG veteran neighbors would consider it as disrespectful to them... and dole out street justice or "tax down" whoever is responsible. I'm "middle class" middle aged white guy ("Goldie"), yet they dont prey on me, but protect me... a little respect and a few 12packs of Corona = street capital, a much better return on investment than supporting either criminal establishment party leader.

I live in a fairly craptastic area of urban blight & gangs bordering million dollar McMansions.. yet I can walk the streets at night with no fears because the local "criminals" have my back.. I worry more about seeing an LAPD unit than I do wife beater wearing onion heads... LAPD will assume I'm a white boy looking for drugs and detain me like they've done before, cholos, aka local kids, will escort me home, and even carry my groceries.

I trust nobody in govt as much as I do local veteran "criminals", they're a better class of people... and when poo meets fan, FEMA, odumba and all those federal govt clowns can lick the cheese off my nuts.. I'm rallying with the well armed "criminals" on my block before jumping on my boat and vanishing... FEMA wont gear up and help me get to the marina, but my neighbors will... and BTW being "Mexican" and maybe even "illegal", they're still a better class of person than anyone named bush or obama. I wouldn't trade one illegal alien cholo neighbor for every member of those elitist families.

Just maybe if the GOP & DNC hadn't teamed up to decimate a whole host of local entry level jobs that paid a living wage.. like the long ago closed Goodyear tire & GM plants.. these returning vet "cholo criminals" would have gainful employment rather than having nothing but time on their hands... if gangs are preying on anyone, it's part of the republican & democrat engineered lifestyle that wastes billions on bs wars while allowing US society to rot.

The time for lofty ideals or founding father pie in the sky America is over, this is an epic struggle between the haves and have nots. Cholos & gangsters are struggling "have nots" tired of being finger banged by the man just like most of us.. me, you, and all of them are going to be standing under the same crapstorm engineered by the "haves"...IMO it's long past time for "have nots" to shed silly divisive labels, propaganda generated fear fear fear, and unite against the haves for the inevitable collapse of the empire.

Without going in to too much in-depth analysis of this story, this should not be all that surprising.

What do we expect to happen from maintaining an economic system which keeps the vast majority of the population in poverty and/or dead-end minimum wage jobs (which in itself makes joining a gang appealing for obvious reasons) and then simultaneously expects this same underclass to go off to foreign lands and risk their own lives and safety fighting imperialistic wars which only further benefit the people who keep them in poverty back home? Can we honestly say that this was not ENTIRELY PREDICTABLE and/or to be expected?

Stop giving people a justifiable reason for engaging in criminal activity and 95% of the crimes will cease to be committed. Stop giving the people good reasons to resist and they will stop resisting! It's that simple.



[edit on 19-7-2010 by dangerouslogic]