CLOSE-UP VIDEO: Pilot filming plane spraying into the air

reply to post by Copernicus


Copernicus.....

I believe you should ask the Mods to change the title of this thread to include an acknowledgement it is a hoax.

I believe you should also ask the Mods to assign this thread to the Hoax Forum.

In doing so, this video can be considered in its correct context, as can the inaccurate conclusions drawn by the "chemtrailers".

If you can do the above, you will have played your part in "Denying Ignorance".

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not


[edit on 24-7-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

reply to post by smurfy


If you people would take your heads out of....the "khemtrail konspiracy klowns" bogus websites for a bit, and actually did some research and checking and thinking for yourselves, you might have found THIS:

Dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid (DINNSA) is an organic chemical, an aryl sulfonic acid. Its melting point is 259.5 °C and its boiling point is 600.4 °C. It has very low water solubility. It is a moderate skin irritant and a strong eye irritant. It has low volatility and vapor pressure and is stable above 100 °C.

Dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid is used as an additive in industrial lubricants, greases, cutting fluids, industrial coatings, and corrosion inhibitors. Its calcium and barium salts (CAS numbers [57855-77-3] and [25619-56-1], respectively) have generally the same use.

en.wikipedia.org...

Should read the rest of the link, above, to see other substances that chemical "DINNA" is used in....

THAT is your "barium"...that is the substance used in the product for anti-static properties in the Jet-A. Now, anyone want to hazard a guess as to HOW HOT a jet engine gets, inside...when the fuel burns???

Anyone???

Also, for the "Chicken Little" fear-mongers, care to take a stab at the concentration levels of this additive, per gallon of jet fuel???

Should be fun to watch the twisting begin....





[edit on 24 July 2010 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by smurfy

Originally posted by __rich__

Originally posted by smurfy


Your last four words say it all. I found this pdf, it looks like a saved blog but it has some interest to this thread, and might just enlarge or help discussion here,

gators911truth.org...

Now THAT is interesting.

I've read similar subjects on Global Dimming and even Smog masking the effects of AGW.

Check this out:

www.lightwatcher.com...

and this:

theheavystuff.com...

Then, in fact, if Barium Oxide is part of the process, then the Barium Oxide use might/must have more than one function since,
(1) it is highly reflective and, (2) it absorbs CO2. Also for the military purposes it is highly conductive. Furthermore, Stadis 450 is the anti-static in jet fuel and although it is a secret formula, it seems daft if Barium is not the main player. I wonder what is in Mr Sheen's Static 450! So, according to the late "Deep Shield" Barium Oxide and other stuff, is both a killer and a lifesaver.

Whatever techniques are used, or whether Human activities are responsible for Global Warming, it is a certainty that Earth's Climate does oscillate, and another Ice Age is right around the corner.

Or, perhaps has already been inadvertently delayed by the "Fossil Fuel Age"?

www.lakepowell.net...

The only real argument is whether Humans have the moral right to modulate "our" climate to our advantage, or respectively to just leave things alone.

However, this seems a bit moot since all evidence points to inadvertent Human Climate effects, already.

reply to post by Copernicus


This video is s hoax probably put out by air force/NATO intelligence for the purpose of making it easier to debunk chemtrails.... the jet aircraft they are following is unmarked (military) the aircraft following behind needs permission to do so (from the military) and the production of this vid is too polished (funded by the military).

As I alluded to earlier… in order to determine chemtrails you have to observe the entire trail to see if it lingers and spreads out.

Originally posted by soleprobe
reply to post by Copernicus

 

This video is s hoax probably put out by air force/NATO intelligence for the purpose of making it easier to debunk chemtrails.... the jet aircraft they are following is unmarked (military) the aircraft following behind needs permission to do so (from the military) and the production of this vid is too polished (funded by the military).

As I alluded to earlier… in order to determine chemtrails you have to observe the entire trail to see if it lingers and spreads out.

Some people really need to read the entire thread before posting

reply to post by soleprobe


Aaahhhhh soleprobe.....

As I alluded to earlier… in order to determine chemtrails you have to observe the entire trail to see if it lingers and spreads out.

As one of my dear pommy friends would say to me if I told him that.....

"Listen up me ol' mate.....that's a right lot of ol' bollocks!"

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by smurfy

 

If you people would take your heads out of....the "khemtrail konspiracy klowns" bogus websites for a bit, and actually did some research and checking and thinking for yourselves, you might have found THIS:

Dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid (DINNSA) is an organic chemical, an aryl sulfonic acid. Its melting point is 259.5 °C and its boiling point is 600.4 °C. It has very low water solubility. It is a moderate skin irritant and a strong eye irritant. It has low volatility and vapor pressure and is stable above 100 °C.

Dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid is used as an additive in industrial lubricants, greases, cutting fluids, industrial coatings, and corrosion inhibitors. Its calcium and barium salts (CAS numbers [57855-77-3] and [25619-56-1], respectively) have generally the same use.

en.wikipedia.org...

Should read the rest of the link, above, to see other substances that chemical "DINNA" is used in....

THAT is your "barium"...that is the substance used in the product for anti-static properties in the Jet-A. Now, anyone want to hazard a guess as to HOW HOT a jet engine gets, inside...when the fuel burns???

Anyone???






[edit on 24 July 2010 by weedwhacker]

Thanks Weed, but I found that link some time ago, I do believe I posted on a form of Barium being in jet fuel, some time ago in other threads, as well. At least then, you are aware of what is whizzing out from under your backside! unlike another skypilot who thinks Barium "occurs naturally in the ground"

reply to post by smurfy




Ach, laddie!!!

...ye need to read the bloody thing agin'!!

(Pssssst!: Pay real close attention tothe figures, the temperatures at which the "additives" melt and boil....think, man!)

(Oh, and P.Psssssst!: Please, oh "Oracle of the Chemtrail Believers", answer the question I posed, above....)

Thanks Weed, but I found that link some time ago, I do believe I posted on a form of Barium being in jet fuel, some time ago in other threads, as well. At least then, you are aware of what is whizzing out from under your backside! unlike another skypilot who thinks Barium "occurs naturally in the ground"

Well it sure isnt found in aircraft fuel or exhausts.

But it is used in fireworks, drilling mud and even ingested to help x-rays show up better. iAnd it is certainly found in the ground in a compound form, as Barium Sulfate. If it is not in the ground, then how it is it mined?

Persistent contrails, otherwise known as chemtrails DO exist. We all know that, so, I am glad we have moved on to specifics.

So, it is barium (salts) that are added to jet fuel. Interesting..

chemtrails.cc...

Interesting.

Originally posted by firepilot

Thanks Weed, but I found that link some time ago, I do believe I posted on a form of Barium being in jet fuel, some time ago in other threads, as well. At least then, you are aware of what is whizzing out from under your backside! unlike another skypilot who thinks Barium "occurs naturally in the ground"

Well it sure isnt found in aircraft fuel or exhausts.

But it is used in fireworks, drilling mud and even ingested to help x-rays show up better. iAnd it is certainly found in the ground in a compound form, as Barium Sulfate. If it is not in the ground, then how it is it mined?

If you are talking about the metal known as Barium, it's not much use at all and cannot be found in nature. the non-metallic forms are used as you described, however that does include a sulphate in jet fuel. As to what form it emerges from a jet engine, that I am not sure of, it could be Barium Sulphide, or Sulfide and most likely bonded to a carbon nucleus.

reply to post by Stewie


Yeah....and IF YOU WOULD BOTHER to actually read the links many of us post....you'd have seen that the SAME additives are in your gasoline (petrol) and diesel fuels, for your automobile, truck, motorcycle, scooter, etc.

SO, next time you're out walking in traffick, HOLD YOUR BREATH!!!

reply to post by smurfy


WHY do you lie? Is it on purpose, or are you seriously having problems with comprehension???

Barium, it's not much use at all and cannot be found in nature.

"cannot be found in nature"?? I know where you read that....you purposely omitted the rest, didn't you???

Barium ... is a chemical element. It has the symbol Ba, atomic number 56, and is the fifth element in Group 2. Barium is a soft silvery metallic alkaline earth metal. It is never found in nature in its pure form due to its reactivity with air. Its oxide is historically known as baryta but it reacts with water and carbon dioxide and is not found as a mineral.

en.wikipedia.org...

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive..."

YOU are a deceiver.

reply to post by weedwhacker
My posts stands as it is Weed. What do you want me to add?

reply to post by smurfy


Simple. You have already, as I've shown, omitted some information about "barium", in order to further the deception.

But, now that I've leared that up, now it's time to understand the other things I posted, and cited from sources.

The melting and boiling points of barium.

Because, the contentions made here are that barium is IN the Jet-A fuel, correct?

Therefore, it must go through combustion, as all the fuel is. I asked someone to mention (I already know) how hot it gets inside a jet engine when the fuel is burned. I think that's important, when considering the viability of any "barium" in the fuel escaping into the exhaust, intact.

FURTHERMORE....this fear-mongering is additionally deceptive, because it alludes to (without giving ANY figures) the inclusion of "barium" in fuel additives, without describing the AMOUNTS, concentration levels, etc.

The added anti-static components that are added are miniscule in quantity --- used only for the fuel when in storage, and when being handled. The FLOWING of the fuel in pipes and hoses can lead to static build up. Anyone who learns to fly learns that WHEN an airplane is fueled, it MUST be attached to a grounding cable. A metal wire that clips to a metal part of the structure, to prevent any static build-up to discharge, and ignite fuel fumes.

(There is a minor danger of this happening with automobiles, but much, much less so. Because airplanes, since they move faster through the air, can build up a significant static-charge potential).

Ever note the warnings on portable gas containers? NEVER fill a plastic gasoline [petrol] container unless it is in contact with the ground.

So, again...the additive for anti-static properties is in VERY small concentrations --- otherwise it would affect the fuel properties, change its density and weight, and burning charateristics.

WHY do I have to explain something that should be so obvious to educated adults???






[edit on 26 July 2010 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by smurfy

If you are talking about the metal known as Barium, it's not much use at all and cannot be found in nature. the non-metallic forms are used as you described, however that does include a sulphate in jet fuel. As to what form it emerges from a jet engine, that I am not sure of, it could be Barium Sulphide, or Sulfide and most likely bonded to a carbon nucleus.

Barium Sulfide bonded to a carbon nucleus? Eee gads, where did you learn your chemistry??? Describe to us the chemical formula this makes.

Barium is found in compound form in nature as barium sulfate. Now for those of you thinking this is fuel additives that make chemtrails, then tell us why there is not constantly big trails being made from takeoff to landing, if thats ones view of "chemtrails" and fuel additives.

Its amazing how some of you are all concerned about additives in fuel, but could care less about it in fireworks and xray procedures



[edit on 26-7-2010 by firepilot]

Originally posted by firepilot

Originally posted by smurfy

If you are talking about the metal known as Barium, it's not much use at all and cannot be found in nature. the non-metallic forms are used as you described, however that does include a sulphate in jet fuel. As to what form it emerges from a jet engine, that I am not sure of, it could be Barium Sulphide, or Sulfide and most likely bonded to a carbon nucleus.

Barium Sulfide bonded to a carbon nucleus? Eee gads, where did you learn your chemistry??? Describe to us the chemical formula this makes.

[edit on 26-7-2010 by firepilot]

Hi Pilot,

I left out the last bit of your quote as it has nothing to do with me, or probably anyone who is, in the main, just asking questions and, if I was a Chemist I would not, or should not be asking questions, about it. Anyway I am posting this link, as I think that in the main, and apart from the rhetoric you would like answers yourself.

part 3.2.1.5. (Hydrocarbons) and part 3.2.2.1 (Volatile Particles) are particularily interesting. You also have to take into account that this paper does not even include engine additives.

www.grida.no.../climate/ipcc/aviation/034.htm


For the link to work, you may need to take out any dots after the word no.






[edit on 26-7-2010 by smurfy]

Originally posted by ThePeaceMaker
Can i add my veiws on this. I believe all this chemtrail stuff is a load of cock n bull. The amount of planes which have left trails over my house and town in constantly frequent, ive just looked outside and can already see four seperate trails. But i havent fell sick and ive lived in the same house for over 24 years, there hasnt been any strange illnesses in my town or surrounding areas.

Now im no specialist but if u sprayed somethin in the air at say 35,000 feet surely the jet stream and air movement higher up would make these so called chemicals drift off for many many miles. If planes were to pump out chemicals, would it not be hard to control where the chemicals will go and which way they will travel .. if you see what im gettin at

You know it's funny how you start off stating your suposed view and then you add a bunch of evidence you seem to not only understand and believe in, but more importantly you are able to even visualize the event (singular), but can you also visualize the whole picture? Like say things started two, three states away materializing in your neck of the woods after soaking up two to three states worth of water out of the air, and certainly you know the atmosphere holds countless gazillions of gallons of water at all times, along with a certain current always being dissapated to the earth or some 2 trillion amps. Now can you even picture your own country's weather, the whole thing, all at once 3d chemical clouds, concentrations always going where the lower concentration is, eddy's, streams of different types of air (all known to the system that guides it of course). So my point is this, if you can't even see one small piece of the pie, that being the mixing, and reacting of many types of chemicals, not just two BeO and AlO but many many kinds and many with a second or third part like epoxies. No operation like this could or would be left up to man to guide, but a computer system, interlinked with the atmospheric sattelites of all made. This would be the most boring job in the world for a man/robot and stories would have come out but never have or will because they are pilotless. So why not just go outside and use your eyes for a season or two, and try to imagine those are commercial flights or any flight who is paying high prices for their fuel just like you! I'd like to go on one of them commercial flights! Loop de Loops, almost straight up, falling out of the sky. If you don't see these things almost every day, it's not because they don't exist, maybe it is because they don't do those things right where you live, but ask someone in another state or go out of the city, to the nearest desert, west of mountains, reservations and then consult known and published flight...designated flight pathes and then try to account for all the extra planes off the flight paths all the while noticing they ,,,the extra ones are the only ones that leave persisting chemtrails. It is simple deduction my friend..all the evidence points to one thing, you already have a grasp, now you just need lots of eyewitness evidence and you'll hatch, keep digging you will discover it only on your own, but study to show yourself approved. Peace

Originally posted by crustas
reply to post by firepilot

 

That's your answer? Man, you really are plain straight forward thinking, i like that!

Listen, i will write this very slowly for easy understanding, i could get plenty of youtube usernames and open accounts here on ATS with that same name, and PRETEND that I am the same user on ATS and in Youtube.

Are you following?

You know why? Do you what to know why? If so read on...

Because not everyone that has an account on youtube as an account here on ATS.

Did you understand? What you are saying is no PROOF at all. Reload and try again!



[edit on 23-7-2010 by crustas]

Yeah, you could get you some usernames. Where you going to dig up 2 KC-10s, the 6 flight crew members to man them and the 20,000 gallons of kerosene to fly the mission. The FE's story fits the facts of the video.

Originally posted by smurfy

Originally posted by firepilot

Thanks Weed, but I found that link some time ago, I do believe I posted on a form of Barium being in jet fuel, some time ago in other threads, as well. At least then, you are aware of what is whizzing out from under your backside! unlike another skypilot who thinks Barium "occurs naturally in the ground"

Well it sure isnt found in aircraft fuel or exhausts.

But it is used in fireworks, drilling mud and even ingested to help x-rays show up better. iAnd it is certainly found in the ground in a compound form, as Barium Sulfate. If it is not in the ground, then how it is it mined?

If you are talking about the metal known as Barium, it's not much use at all and cannot be found in nature. the non-metallic forms are used as you described, however that does include a sulphate in jet fuel. As to what form it emerges from a jet engine, that I am not sure of, it could be Barium Sulphide, or Sulfide and most likely bonded to a carbon nucleus.

I love it when guys who skipped 6th grade science class get all chemistry womnky.
c The primaryadditive in jet fuel is an anti-iving, anti-microbial product by the trade name of Prist (TM). There is no barium or sulfur in diethylene glycol monomethyl ether, chemical formula CH3CH2OCH2CH2OH. See, no Bas or Ss anywhere. And in no analysis of Stadis 450 has Ba been found. One chemtrail supporter says it is "implied" but neither a mass spec nor a gas chronatograph implies stuff. It's either there or it's not.
And what magic process are you using to "bond" Barium Sulfide to a carbon nucleus. As I'm sure you remember from your fourth semester organic chemistry course or maybe your graduate physical chemistry seminar, the carbon nucleus, for both co-occurring isotopes, is tetrahedral with a large neutral nucleon at each of the four corners. It has 6 protons. Barium Sulfide is an ionic compound of a +2 Barium ion and a -2 SO4 ion. It is neutral. So tell us again how this neutral BaSO4 molecule is going to "bond" to atetrahedral carbon nucleus. Do I need to set out in detail the electron shell configurations to show you. Pray tell, you wouldn't be making this stuff up, would you? If you make chemistry stuff up, somebody with a PhD in Chemistry is going to call you on it.