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How much is oil worth? This is what we are doing in Iraq. This is the wrong path for our nation and for the world. This is not because of 9/11, this behavior on our part is what motivates people to commit acts like that which happened on 9/11/2001.
The world is changing, it's going to change massively, and in the end, this sort of thing will be gone, hate will be gone, greed will be gone, environmental destruction will be gone, but getting there can take different paths.
One path involves massive human suffering, our own military fighting us, massive volcanism, earthquakes, starvation, people getting cut-off from their families, most of us dying.
The other path involves massive changes, but in ways where they are beneficial rather than harmful to us. Volcanism happens but away from population centers, we know about it in advance, and it happens in a more peaceful manner that we actually benefit from.
I have seen both of these paths in dreams. We do not want to take the ugly hate path people, we really don't. The amount of suffering that will ensue is unimaginable if we continue down this path.
What we put out is what we're going to get back. If we put out hatred, we're going to get hatred back. If we destroy the environment, it's going to destroy us. If we're not loving of the our neighbors, our neighbors will hate us; if we have no respect for other life that we share this planet it with, it will have no respect for us.
If we love each other, our next door neighbor and our fellow human being on the other side of the planet and the other life we share this planet with, if we show respect for this planet that is our home, then it will provide us what we need.
There is no shortage of resources really, there is plenty of oil even right here at home, it's not the cheapest but it's way cheaper than $120/barrel to extract, this whole world situation is a greed and hatred game. This is the wrong path, we have to change.
And this is not a choice that requires we live in squaller and poverty; resources have been generously provided to us; the problem is that people who want to control us only want resources developed that they can readily control.
We have plenty of energy available to us from the sun and the earth, from the wind and the water and it's no longer more expensive than oil or not available in the quantities needed. It is less expensive, these alternate clean renewable sources, than the cheapest of fossil fuels, coal. But even in the realm of fossil fuels, we have a 300-400 year supply of coal, gasoline can be made from coal and if we replaced ALL of the oil we import with coal derived fuel it would only require a 50% increase in coal mining. Of coarse this isn't the right thing to do, we should be going with clean renewables, but the point is we don't have to go to foreign lands and kill and maim children to meet our energy needs, we have been provided with everything we need right here at home.
Originally posted by jerico65
What, the true nature of war from what you see in pictures? Trying living it, then maybe you'll have a dog in the fight of this discussion.
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Those soldiers went over there.
Those Iraqi babies didn't come over here.
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Soldier securing my freedom
That's a laugh.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by ofhumandescent
Compared to the rest of the world we are the most free. That says something about the world, not us.
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by oozyism
If you don't defend against evil and radical Islam is evil, they take over. It's that simple. Same reason we have Police and put dangerous people in jail. You can't let them run loose or they hurt people. Look at Mexico for an in your face example of lawlessness.
There simply is no real Afghanistan, as its been occupied by the Taliban and Al Qaeda since the Russians left. It had no government. It only had criminal gangs run by Warlords and Terrorists. The people who were there were actual Slaves. There was a time when freeing an enslaved people was a good thing. Until the progressives decided they don't give a damn about anybody but themselves that is. Perfect targets for a person who wants to trick them into something as stupid as allowing a Theocracy to enslave everyone.
We all know you want all countries under an Islamic Theocracy, so your motives are suspect. I don't think some who starred your OP know your real motive.
how Mullah Omar first mobilized his followers is that in the spring of 1994 Singesar neighbors told him that a warlord commander had abducted two teenage girls, shaved their heads and taken them to a camp where they were raped repeatedly. 30 Taliban (with only 16 rifles) freed the girls and hanged the commander from the barrel of a tank. Later that year two warlord commanders killed civilians while fighting for the right to sodomize a young boy. The Taliban freed him.
Afghanistan, the world's second corruptest nation
Yet many living in this southern Afghan city say the insurgents are the least of their worries. Far more pernicious is the murky nexus of warlords and corrupt government officials whose rule some compare to mob bosses.
Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, collaborating with the United Nations to eradicate heroin production in Afghanistan, declared that growing poppies was un-Islamic, resulting in one of the world's most successful anti-drug campaigns. As a result of this ban, opium poppy cultivation was reduced by 91% from the previous year's estimate of 82,172 hectares.