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Jobs for all? A pillar of communism wobbles as Cuba confronts a costly, bloated work force

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posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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Jobs for all? A pillar of communism wobbles as Cuba confronts a costly, bloated work force


www.foxnews.com

Now, facing a severe budget deficit, the government
has hinted at restructuring or trimming its bloated work force. Such talk is causing tension, however, in a country where guaranteed employment was a building block of the 1959 revolution that swept Fidel Castro to power.
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posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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At a state project to refurbish a decaying building in Old Havana, one worker paints a wall white while two others watch. A fourth sleeps in a wheelbarrow positioned in a sliver of shade nearby and two more smoke and chat on the curb.

President Raul Castro has startled the nation lately by saying about one in five Cuban workers may be redundant. At the work site on Obispo street, those numbers run in reverse.

"We know that there are hundreds of thousands of unnecessary workers on the budget and labor books, and some analysts calculate that the excess of jobs has surpassed 1 million," said Castro.


Cuba has always been looked at as a success story for communism in the western hemisphere by historians. But is it really a success story?

Some will say Cuba has been hampered by a trade embargo and other restrictions. But that Trade embargo still allows for Cuba to do its dealing with other nations and US is the 5th largest exporter to Cuba even with this embargo.

So what has Communism and Socialization of everything on this island nation yielded for its inhabitants? It has led the country to going into further debt. It has led to decline in effective Health care, it has led to inhabitants of this island looking for a way out and be able to succeed instead of be limited by the government.

But how could this be? This is not a Capitalistic society as the United States is, how can this nation be seeing Red when their entire economy is sort of a Co-Op. The Government controls jobs, housing, businesses, health care, industry, & tourism. Everyone in their society is Guaranteed a Job. Most of those Jobs are Public Sector jobs about 50% of the population is employed by the Government. So what is the problem, why are they still seeing red?

Just like Castro was quoted in this article, The jobs are redundant and are more of a strain on the government.

So I take it that Castro is trying to say that Government should not be the provider of jobs..especially when the government starts seeing red ink in its when sorting its budget.

Then why is Obama and this administration still charging ahead with skyrocketing growth in the public sector and punishing those in the private sector. Obama has already taken over education with control of the Student Loans, He is on the verge on completely taking over Financial Institution, His administration & fellow democrats have given control of majority of the US housing mortgages to lending giants Fannie/Freddie, Under his watch Unions gained control of Industries they were hired to work for, Socialized medicine is just around the corner and soon EPA & the FDA will be taking over their designated sectors they are in charge of watching.

Castro's Cuba has already done this and they are now trying to undo their decisions. Maybe this administration should pay close watch to steps being taken by a small island nation which is now trying to correct its mistakes.

Now this is one of my favorite quotes from this article:


"Without people feeling the need to work to make a living, sheltered by state regulations that are excessively paternalistic and irrational, we will never stimulate a love for work," he said.


What does the above quote mean to you?

My translation is similar to what Benjamin Franklin had said when common sense Men were a majority part of the Government:


I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer."


I hope the POTUS can learn from Cuba on what the future course should be.

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[edit on 17-7-2010 by prionace glauca]



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 05:23 PM
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They do a very good job of looking after their own and went from horrendous living conditions with the US invovlement to doing very well. Not saying its perfect, and I'm not communistic but more socialistic and soveriegn at the same time, a cooperative free spirit, but they have really improved the standard of living for these people.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by Unity_99]



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 05:30 PM
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By any standards cuba is a success story. I'm not sure if it's communism, I'd like to think it's the peoples will. I didn't know about this problem thought.



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 05:35 PM
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I guess you haven't really taken a look at the read provided, and just went from my post.

We have the leader of this nation acknowledging its mistakes and backtracking. As I mentioned earlier in my OP, USA only set a trade embargo with Cuba. Other nations were not involved in it and have continued to trade with Cuba & that even includes the USA.

So Cuba's dip in the red is not based on sanctions but policies, which it is now trying to change.

ETA: The Following

Cuba: Paradise or Hell?


With its white sands and beautiful beaches, Cuba has become a popular holiday destinations for Western tourists. But everyday life for most Cubans is anything but idyllic. Neighbours are encouraged to spy on each other, phones are tapped and anyone deemed an enemy of the state is kept under strict surveillance. But despite these obstacles, some do manage to escape to America. How? We investigate the unseen Cuba.



[edit on 17-7-2010 by prionace glauca]



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by PsykoOps
By any standards cuba is a success story. I'm not sure if it's communism, I'd like to think it's the peoples will. I didn't know about this problem thought.


All the -isms lie about the other -isms to make them look bad
and thus fooling the worker peasant class under the home -ism.

We have over 40 million on foodstamps, that says a lot right there.

We have states and cities bulldozing newer homes and older homes
that are vacant to try to get real estate prices back up.

while millions are homeless, and millions are losing their homes.

Where is the sanity in that ?

Most governments are tools of the rich to enslave the worker class.

It doesn't matter what country or time frame of history.

The current tool of serfdom is paper money backed by nothing
printed out of thin air and constantly being devalued.

Like Mr. Perkins said in his book this is all by design and has
been done in several other nations all on purpose to rip off
the ppl and rob them.

Confessions of an Economic Hitman:



Good Luck to you all !

[edit on 17-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by PsykoOps
By any standards cuba is a success story. I'm not sure if it's communism, I'd like to think it's the peoples will. I didn't know about this problem thought.


And they are exporting their success by swimming to florida in the tens of thousands and their educated class moonlighting as sex workers in the tourist hotels, Good show!



posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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Any other country in the same circumstances would be screwed beyond any hope. So yes they are a success story even thought everything is against them. It's no wonder that they try to get out.



posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by PsykoOps
Any other country in the same circumstances would be screwed beyond any hope. So yes they are a success story even thought everything is against them. It's no wonder that they try to get out.


Then anything can be anything, you win again! Dont let them pin you down to facts or specifics !
Unproven and unprovable assumptions win every time they are tried!



posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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Such a dream world!

Where you can kill or imprison anyone who disagrees with you!

I've yet to hear the answer to why Cubans are constantly washing up on our beaches year after year.

Let me clue you in: The answer isn't because of Americas 'mean' embargo. It's because they got tired of their family members disappearing..



posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 06:30 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Uh huh. And where are you getting this information? I still have to funnel money to my aunt, and one of my cousins joined the resistance recently. My family managed to escape in the late 70's and we made in here in 89.

If they had it so great then the government would LET people leave. Instead you have to ESCAPE. Any nation you have to escape is not doing right by it's citizens.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


[edit on 18-7-2010 by projectvxn]



posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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Ummm, is that a cousin you hate? Better call and tell them all to start swimming!

[edit on 18-7-2010 by mordant1]



posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 07:31 PM
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What does this have to do with anything?

What point are you trying to make with this exactly?



posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 07:43 PM
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Geezz! I'm saying that you may have seriously underestimated the capabilities and interests of the cuban intelligence apparatus. Hopefully you dont use your real name when you call cuba or post here.
Just sayin...



posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by prionace glauca


Cuba has always been looked at as a success story for communism in the western hemisphere by historians.




Since when? ever since cuba adopted communism and aligned itself with the USSR, it has been poor. Communism does not work and will never work. I dont care if its in cuba, USSR, or even china (who is only communist in name and in totalitarianism)

Communism is counter to the natural order (which is survival of the fittest or natural selection, whichever you prefer). it is the belief that people can overcome basic tenets of nature. (which I think is a noble idea).

Also, true marxist theory is the annihilation of the middle class. For example, karl marx advocates that the bourgeois class is holding the proletarian down because the bourgeois class (middle class) owns the means of production and the proletarian (poor class) is forced to sell his/her labor to the bourgeois. Notice that he mentions nothing of the elitist group. So in essence, karl marx's society is made up of 95% poor people and 5% uber rich people. Is this redistribution of wealth? absolutely, right into the pockets of elitists.



posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 08:43 PM
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Yes, Fox News would certainly be a credible and completely unbiased source of information regarding the successes and shortcomings of communist Cuba.




posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 10:35 PM
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Ahh, well my cousin is a pretty public figure these days. Quite outspoken. They know about him.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Yes, Fox News would certainly be a credible and completely unbiased source of information regarding the successes and shortcomings of communist Cuba.


Uh huh, fox snews forcing evil cuban counterevolutionaries to swim with sharks for 90 miles. THis is so predictable as a false flag.
Other things to bolster your arguements that work every time:
Bush! Halliburton! Blood for oil! Cheney! Neocon neocon!
Tax breaks for the rich! Racists have all the power. No man is illegal!
The earth has a fever!

No need to thank me let me know if you need some more



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 09:55 AM
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Seriously, when making a point of how bad someone else is, you could at least show how they compare to the most powerful country in the world (us). Show how they compare with our 19% unemployment, or our 1000000 homeless children, or our 40000000 with NO health insurance. So they lock up any who disagree with their government? How about that guy we locked up for airing al jazeera. Thats not censorship, eh? Or how about Bradley Manning, imprisoned for showing how our soldiers are massacring reporters and children in iraq? Shows how strongly we support freedom and transparency.

While castigating Cuba, lets also be sure to show how our wealthy representatives all make sure to push for our best interest here, making sure we are not suckered into natural medicine, or healthy organic food, so we all get our necessary dose of good GM poison. Not to mention how they happily used all our tax money, and our childrens childrens, in order to bail out the wealthy bankers, assuring that the bankers continue to get their standard multi million dollar salaries, while doing nothing to protect those working class from losing their homes due to the bankers manipulation and malfeasance. Thanks for looking out.

Be sure to point out how after the Valdiz, one of the first things congress did was push through a liability limit of 75 million dollars to protect the oil industry from any future mishaps...obviously they were working in our best interest there, Im sure Cuba could never do anything as altruistic.

We have also been wonderful at bringing down evil democracies and democratically elected officials around the world since ww2 through our wonderful programs like CIA trained death squads, political assassination, destabilization, embargos and sanctions, and general all out bombing, rape, murder and mayhem, helping all the world get some of our "democracy" and "freedom". To bad Cuba couldnt have helped out in the same way. And to think it all started back in the spanish american war, when the cubans, fighting for independence, begged the US for help to kick out spain. We went in....helped kick spain out....then tried to take over. The thankless fools then kicked us out as well.....no wonder we cant stand them, the ungracious scum.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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No need to worry, things are getting closer to being "egualmente" between the two nations so that each outrage against the productive individual is matched on the other shore.



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