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What about the Other TWO leaks on the BOP?

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posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 09:21 AM
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I remember there were 3 leaks on the BOP. There was even a graphic released by BP showing where all 3 leaks were.

It seems that the whole world has forgotten about these other two leaks. No one is talking about them.

BP closed off one leak in the past couple of days I believe this was at the main riser or what was left of it after they cut it.

I have not been able to watch the video all this time but I do not remember anyone saying the other two leaks were stopped.

How can CNN and BP say there is no oil leaking into the Gulf when there are still these other two leaks that have not been dealt with?

What am I missing here? What happened to the other two leaks?

Edit: I did find this:

BP Caps 1 Of 3 Leaks, But Oil Flow Won't Be Reduced


NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- The Coast Guard says BP PLC has managed to cap one of three leaks at a deepwater oil well, but the work is not expected to reduce the overall flow of oil into the Gulf of Mexico.


www.huffingtonpost.com... - Dated May the 5th.

So that's confirmation there were 3 leaks and if true there is still one leak unaccounted for !!!

Here is another one saying there is 3 leaks !


Potential good news from the Gulf of Mexico overnight as BP claims to have capped one leak out of the three that have been gushing oil into the water. This was the smallest of the three leaks, but now they can re-position their makeshift collection system at the other two.

news.firedoglake.com...
BP Caps One Leak In Gulf, Another In Washington - Also dated May the 5th.

BUT.. Did this cap hold? How do we actually know which leak was capped here? I seem to remember they tried a cap that did not work.. Is this that one.. if so.. there are still two other leaks !!

This could be one of the many times they tried a cap that then failed. Please someone help me confirm this cap situation on May 5th.

I asked about the 3 leaks from the BOP in another thread, and so far I got this reply from ATS member "Star in a Jar"



reply to post by JohnPhoenix
I confirm, I saw the feed list where there were three leaks:
One from a curved pipe; another from the main BOP leak; and another from most of all bolts below the main BOP leak.

Posted in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

The above info is to help establish that I'm not crazy and yes do remember there were 3 separate leaks from the BOP.

Please someone help me find that graphic..I know it's out there.

Problem is since BP started buying up search terms this info is very hard to find now. It's a coverup I tell you. BP is playing all of us for fools.






[edit on 17-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]




posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 09:58 AM
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Id love to know, & what about the fissures ?

Maybe someone has an answer to this, but there was something not right about the footage before they fitted the new cap, the flow just didnt seem the same. It looked a lot lower pressure & considerably less gas in the flow. Was it the same pipe we'd been seeing all these weeks ?

Im talking about before they even positioned the cap, not during or after, Im not that stupid, but I swear that looked like a completely different flow to me.



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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My TV said they stopped THE leak. That means there was only one. The disaster is over
Thank goodness because I was starting to worry about the whole thing.



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 10:07 AM
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I asked this question in another thread.. if anyone remembers the other two leaks and one other said they did remember.

I thought I was going crazy. I have looked on Google Images to try to find the graphic of the BOP showing all 3 leaks but I find nothing. I would have thought that picture would be all over the net, but we know BP is controlling google.

If anyone can help me find that picture i'd really appreciate it.

Does this just show how conditioned we are to the media? Do people really have that short of collective memories?

And, yes, there are the fissures and a really big leak Simmons says is out there. But these other two BOP leaks we knew about for sure from BP's own graphic of the BOP. How can this just get covered up and everyone forget?

[edit on 17-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by rajaten
My TV said they stopped THE leak. That means there was only one. The disaster is over
Thank goodness because I was starting to worry about the whole thing.


Do you believe everything you see on TV?..

Do you not remember the other two leaks on the BOP? Perhaps you never saw them, but I remember that graphic clearly because BP was explaining the situation of the BOP before they tried the junk shot.



[edit on 17-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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I, for one, certainly don't believe everything I see on TV. But by the same token I most definitely do NOT believe everything I read here. Lots of people are wrong, some confuse facts and some perpetuate disinfo becuase it matches their personal view of things.

Personally, I've never seen any credible evidence of fissures or massive holes in the seafloor or asphalt volcanoes.



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by jtma508
reply to post by JohnPhoenix
 


I, for one, certainly don't believe everything I see on TV. But by the same token I most definitely do NOT believe everything I read here. Lots of people are wrong, some confuse facts and some perpetuate disinfo becuase it matches their personal view of things.

Personally, I've never seen any credible evidence of fissures or massive holes in the seafloor or asphalt volcanoes.


I do not believe everything I read here either.. but I know I remember this graphic showing 3 leaks from BP's own material. That's why I'm focusing on these instead of the fissures and that other possible leak.

I suppose it's possible they plugged the other two leaks and I missed it.. but if so.. I want someone to show me that cus I don't know about it.



Editing to add new info to main post.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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Exactly.

I've been saying this for 48 hours now. Everyone can't stop talking about how this cap is working, yada, yada, yada...

No one seems to remember 1) all of the other places the oil is gushing from, 2) capping this leak could've actually made the problem worse, lower down - for this location - oh, and 3) BP has lied thru their teeth, before

Nevermind the fact that there a FAR worse problems to contend with now (Methane, Corexit, etc.)



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 10:52 AM
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your correct ...


the BP spokespersons are delivering misinformation...

now we have 'the' leak, which evidently means just the oil intrusion into Gulf waters at the well-head only.
Any & all other 'leaks' are not (in the eyes of the BP propagandists)
connected to their blasted apart rig & well-head @ deepwater Macondo Formation...


now in their opinion, any other leaks or fissures from the surrounding strata adjacent to the Macondo Foprmation reservior... is of natural causes and they are not responsible for those leaks... only 'THE' leak at the drill casing well-head is theirs'

it's like Bill Clintons maschinations on 'What the meaning of IS , is'
a run around, obfuscation tactic, confusing the loose talk of the past multiple leaks & trying to pass that talk off as '3 leaks' emanating from 3 sections of the damaged BOP itself (multiple leaks from the singular well head source)
just a lot of mumbo-jumbo lawyer talk to get their butts out of a jam, imho



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by St Udio
your correct ...


the BP spokespersons are delivering misinformation...

now we have 'the' leak, which evidently means just the oil intrusion into Gulf waters at the well-head only.
Any & all other 'leaks' are not (in the eyes of the BP propagandists)
connected to their blasted apart rig & well-head @ deepwater Macondo Formation...


now in their opinion, any other leaks or fissures from the surrounding strata adjacent to the Macondo Foprmation reservior... is of natural causes and they are not responsible for those leaks... only 'THE' leak at the drill casing well-head is theirs'

it's like Bill Clintons maschinations on 'What the meaning of IS , is'
a run around, obfuscation tactic, confusing the loose talk of the past multiple leaks & trying to pass that talk off as '3 leaks' emanating from 3 sections of the damaged BOP itself (multiple leaks from the singular well head source)
just a lot of mumbo-jumbo lawyer talk to get their butts out of a jam, imho


I KNOW there were 3 leaks on the BOP.. I saw the graphic!.. Sadly due to this coverup I cannot find it yet.. but I know what I saw. This graphic in question was released very early in the game before BP started to pull strings to cover up how much oil was leaking into the Gulf.

Thanks for your input.

Again.. Please someone help me find that graphic ! Someone Must have it. This would have been before the junk shot.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 11:19 AM
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I may have got an answer to my questions.

I got a tip from someone about this graphic showing where all 3 leaks were.

www.scribd.com...

This is not the graphic I had in mind. In this picture it looks like the leaks are happening all from the same long pipe. I do not remember the graphic of the leaks on the BOP looking this way.. I remember the leaks were on other pipes not part of one long pipe.

This picture says all 3 leaks were in the riser.

I do not remember all 3 being in the riser. Some leaks were from other pipes.

What do you remember being said about this?

This could be a complete fabrication or not.. I am not a doom and gloomer.. I just want confirmation of the correct situation.

Can someone help me with confirming this info?

[edit on 17-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 11:32 AM
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Ok I have been keeping up to date with the camera feeds and an IRC channel with people in the know taking about this whole fiasco. I'll try and clear up some grey areas.

1. Yes there were three leaks, but they were from sections of the riser which was approx 5000ft of steel tubing connected to the top of the BOP at one end and the Deepwater Horizon at the other. One leak was right at the top of the BOP where the riser pipe bent over almost 90 degrees.
2. Another was at the end that was connected to the Deepwater Horizon and came off sometime during the sinking.
3. The third leak was somewhere along the pipe between the other two leaks where it kinked and ruptured during the sinking.

CRAW- that's the giant shear tool BP used. This CRAW chopped off the riser pipe quite close to the top of the BOP after the diamond saw attempt at the same task failed. This is where we go from 3 leaks to 1 leak. I'm ignoring the ocean floor ones for now because frankly I think they are either naturally occurring, mud kicked up by ROV's being miss-interpreted or simply don't exist.

This chopped of riser stub is what the top hat was placed over and oil was recovered from for several weeks, although it certainly didn't seal at all.

The next step, B P had the choke and kill lines connected to the Q4000 vessel which was also collecting oil and flaring methane.

BP's next step was to remove the flange and thus the stub of riser. This allowed the fitting of what amounts to an adapter which permitted the attachment of the 3 ram shut off system they have just recently closed.

They connected as above and shut off the main flow (center as it were) they continued to vent oil out of the kill and choke fittings. The kill fitting was shut off. Followed by the choke fitting. Then choke fitting appeared to leak and was not sealing. Its valve core was removed and sent to the surface and replaced or repaired then re-installed. The choke was closed.

At this point the well integrity test was considered to have commenced. The well pressure rose quite quickly to approx 6700psi. As I understand it is slowly rising by between 2-10psi per hour. I think we are about 24-30 hours into the test so far.

All of the above is from memory, but do a little research you'll see what I'm talking about.

Hope that helps some to catch up on where things are.


[edit on 17/7/2010 by who-me?]



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
Nevermind the fact that there a FAR worse problems to contend with now (Methane, Corexit, etc.)


What with you being a scientist and all, knowing exactly everything that's going on there. I should believe YOU over anyone.



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I may have got an answer to my questions.

I got a tip from someone about this graphic showing where all 3 leaks were.

www.scribd.com...

This is not the graphic I had in mind. In this picture it looks like the leaks are happening all from the same long pipe. I do not remember the graphic of the leaks on the BOP looking this way.. I remember the leaks were on other pipes not part of one long pipe.

This picture says all 3 leaks were in the riser.

I do not remember all 3 being in the riser. Some leaks were from other pipes.

What do you remember being said about this?

This could be a complete fabrication or not.. I am not a doom and gloomer.. I just want confirmation of the correct situation.

Can someone help me with confirming this info?

[edit on 17-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]


that is exactly how i remember it being described.

three ruptures in the same long pipe, two of which they were able to close, as i recall.

edited to add: yep, just like the image shown below.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by justadood]



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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havent read all the reps
but i remember the 2nd leak being closed being reported at msm
the third ,what about the third?



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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I think the other two leaks were from the same riser pipe that was sawed off from the BOP. Hence, after this procedure there remained the single leak. Just as a visual here is this graphic from nola.com:



I have not heard anything about a leak on the actual seafloor though.



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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Thank you Who-me and Justadood and Kratos40 for those confirmations.

Hopefully this thing will hold and we wont see a force-back anywhere else.

I think a lot of questions still need to be answered like the Corexit issue and the methane issue.

If there was 500 million to 800 million barrels of oil leaked and as the Deepwater Horizon survivors said there is 300 times as much methane as oil coming up ( it's routine that they always separate th methane from the oil at the surface) than that means there could be as much as 1500 to 2400 million barrels equivalent worth of methane in the gulf.


We know they can be fined for the barrels of oil.. can they be fined for the methane also?

This is a huge list of BP past fines

publiccitizenenergy.org...

Lets watch the Justice Dept closely on this one because:


“The Justice Dept.blocked the EPA from filing criminal charges against the BP Texas City disaster. 15 dead and 105+ injured , many in wheel chairs and BP paid a fine. Fines are cheaper than fixing the problems.


Will the Justice Dept seek to stop the EPA fines for the barrels of oil?

[edit on 17-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 12:18 PM
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Just as curiosity, I went to look for information about any possible leaking fissures near the BP Deepwater well, and I was surprised to find this image from CNN:



To me this looks like two side plumes in the vicinity of the BOP. The one that is whiter in color is obviously out-gassing of methane. The plume in the background seems to be coming from the actual seafloor also, and apparently is emitting darker material (crude).



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 12:30 PM
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Thanks.. Great find!

I just got some other info on the methane angle I am going to make a new thread about to call peoples attention to it.. it seems the EPA can fine BP for the methane too. If we are very lucky the EPA will do it's job and fine BP for both the oil and methane.. and possibly for all the other chemicals being leaked into the gulf.. enough to force Bp to either shut down or radically change it's business practices.

I am studying the Clean Water Act and EPA fines.. get your copy of the EPA Clean Water Act PDF here:

epw.senate.gov...



[edit on 17-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]



posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 12:52 PM
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You should also look to see if there was gross negligence on the part of BP and the Dept. of Energy for drilling a well so close to the MC118 site where they knew there was a methane pocket anomaly which may have caused tremendous pressure that led to this disaster. Here is a resistivity profile that was done in this area a few years ago:



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