UFO Picture: The Paul Villa Case, Mexico 1963

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Have a look at this one...Peru 1952.

ATS Team:

Here’s what Kevin Randle wrote about the first series of Villa photos indicating the photos were a hoax:

”Captain William L. Turner, Chief of the Air Force Photo Analysis Division wrote in his official report to Project Blue Book, "All photographs have a sky background with an unobstructed view of the object. It seems unlikely that anyone photographing a UFO from several angles would have all good, clear unobstructed photographs of the object."

While that might be true, it is also true that Villa might just have been very lucky or even a very good photographer (One of the Villa photographs seen on the left). That, however, doesn’t seem to be the case. Turner wrote, "Photograph #7 shows the UFO at close range with a leafless branch on the left side of the print, passing behind the object. Two twigs from this branch are readily visible on the right side of the object and in good alignment with the main branch. It does not seem possible that these twigs are from the tree on the right which is further away. Therefore, the object is between the branch and the camera. The object is estimated to be 20 inches in diameter and seven inches high."

Turner also noticed one other important fact. He wrote, "In photographs #1 and #2 the object appears to be a sharper image than the near and far trees. This indicates the UFO is between the near trees and the camera."

Given all that information, it would seem that the Air Force had thoroughly destroyed the credibility of the pictures. The question that has been asked by many is why accept the Air Force conclusions here but reject them in other cases. The answer is simply "Duplication." The Air Force results have been duplicated by UFO researchers and civilian photographic experts. It wasn’t that the Air Force presented a complete analysis but that others, when examining the photographs were able to see the same things Turner saw. The explanation was fair and that is why the Air Force explanation is accepted.”

kevinrandle.blogspot.com...

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

ATS Team:

Here’s what Tim Printy wrote about the first series of Villa photos, also indicating the photos were a hoax:

”Paul Villa took his pictures from New Mexico between April-June 1963 and claimed to have met aliens from the constellation of Coma Bernices.

Analysis by Project Blue Book clearly identified these as hoaxes and in later years, Ground Saucer Watch performed computer analysis of the images.

Their evaluations indicated that the images were faked using small models.

Even though major UFO groups have rejected these images, one can still find books and websites presenting the same images as authentic. Are these UFOlogists simply ignorant of the image's histories or are they just way too credulous?

home.comcast.net...

And.....

Look who's forum supports it as real.....

The IckeMonster!

www.davidicke.com...

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Ahh the UFO CASE BOOK a great edition to any one's collection.
yes got the book and have seen this same pic more than a few
times turn up in separate places/case's.
hard to say with all the hoaxing.

i too live in hope.1 just 1 real alien and ship please

(woops, I already posted these)
Here's more. I remember seeing these in OMNI Magazine years ago.

forgetomori.com...
www.ufoevidence.org...
www.galactic-server.net...

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Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
And.....

Look who's forum supports it as real.....

The IckeMonster!

www.davidicke.com...

Maybe.....

I believe that closes this case and we finally have proof of UFO's

Even more:

www.ufonut.com...
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One more, slighly different "on the side" photo:


www.ufohypotheses.com...

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A hoaxed photo from known hoaxer.

@Kizzzy: loved the yo-yo dog

Originally posted by cripmeister
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A hoaxed photo from known hoaxer.

@Kizzzy: loved the yo-yo dog

Cripmeister.....

So it would appear.....

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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This_is_who_we_are.....

Thanks again for helping me with this.

I'd been looking in the wrong direction a.k.a. the Michigan incidents, e.g. as per UFO Casebook.

Thank you for steering me onto the right track with this one.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Mod Team:

I recommend this now gets assigned to the Hoax Forum.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

I was looking for the thread because this one reminded me of it. Basically it took pictures of UFOs and compared them to cars of the same years.
For example the craft described in the rosewell incident looks like a car of the same era, it also looks like the other UFOs described at the time.

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Thats some page of fakes or real Tesla ships.
The technology being so simple I suppose a metal can is as
good as an iron stove Tesla said he would use.
But we don't know how its done and the people who know won't
tell.
Lose lips will sink the saucer trade.

That ship might go in the oval category.
One of the types found by Walton at a Tesla ship base.
Too bad Walton can't draw any ships for us with his
arms being tied down by FBI anti Tesla agents.

The "vertical" objects are just the horizontal ones turned on end. As for the saucers themselves, I tend to think that they're a combination of chrome truck hubcaps. Maybe there's a brake drum thrown in between them, although that interior area might just be the clips that attach the cap to the wheel.

All of his UFOs (even the ones he claimed were little, foot-long "probes") look like chrome truck parts to me. Chrome Ford hubcaps:

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Blue Shift.....

Maybe one day we'll finally get that clear, definitive photo.....

.....maybe not!

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
Maybe one day we'll finally get that clear, definitive photo.....

.....maybe not!

I personally won't settle for anything other than multiple clear photos taken of the same object by different people who aren't anonymous, hopefully including some stereo 3-D photos, PLUS...

... Some kind of readily-available, causally linked artifact or "alien" body ...

... Determined to truly be alien by multiple independent labs with no axe to grind ...

... Such that recognized authorities such as the President, Prime Minister, or Pope (or all three) must make an announcement ...

... and, that's it's possible for me, if I really wanted to, to actually go see and touch the artifact with my own hand (best case scenario).

That's not too much to ask for, is it? I mean, we're talking about aliens (or time travelers) here! I'd want the same kind of evidence of anything where its existence is in question. Bigfoot, leprechauns, Jesus, etc. You can't believe everything anybody tells you.

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I am not quite sure it is a toss up between a Buick or a Mercury

but no matter still interesting pics

I'm leaning towards the mercury

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