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DC's spy establishment in panic mode over Washington Post expose

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posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:10 AM
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something like this was destined to emerge...that was never even the issue.

the issue was...who will control it?

I think these articles will serve the purpose of clearly defining who is on who's team.

the pissed off ones...are the losers. and they now know all hope is lost for them.

they sitting outside the city walls tired and demotivated.

just break yourself and come in for a cold drink...all are welcome.




posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by bruxfinn
 


Yeah, maybe we wouldn't care so much if our intelligence sector hadn't gone rogue. Instead of doing what they are supposed to, we are arming our enemies, flooding the streets with narcotics, torturing people, getting into wars of aggression and many believe false flag terror attacks on our soil, whether it be within our original borders or against our embassies.

Our intelligence-industrial-complex has grown a life of its own and now works independent of any kind of real over-sight, or what would seem. Of course I don't think it is our entire intelligence establishment, rather I think it is within that establishment, unbenounced to many or most in these services.

--airspoon

[edit on 19-7-2010 by airspoon]


I am not sure that it has gone rouge but I understand what you are saying.

unfortunately issues of defense and security aren't as clear cut as many would like one to believe.

As a basic rule the notion of WE or THEM is meaningless.

But I think the Intelligence community has found a way to separate THESE FROM THOSE and are now announcing to THOSE that THESE have total control of the system, it is big, it is complex, it is strong, it has no oversight and there isn't much you can do about it.

The only thing I can say to any individual...I hope that you are in a good place in your life...because America is locked down. What's out is out, what is in is in and no changes of status will occur.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:34 AM
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DCs spy establishment should be worried, but not because of the Washington Post.

DC's spy establishment which is all interconnected with other clandestine global spy agencies. ( Mossad, Saud Secret Services, FSB, MI6, MI5, CIA, NSA, R&AW in India, ISI, and many others abroad) should be worried with their distraction techniques when running operations.

I have never seen so much recklessness since Oklahoma City, (2) 911's, Madrid and Bali.

sloppy...sloppy...sloppy.

The key is to run these operations without being detected.

If you need an interior liaison that oversees how operations are conducted amongst all these agencies you can trace my IP and make me a job offer.

Condition Requirements:
*I will start the bid at $250,000 up front then per quarter thereafter tax free, full medical and dental, golden parachute package and full immunity from being taken out by assassins from any contractors that are used by the global spy networks.

*You have to give me some authority to help you guys out and you cannot hide information from me. (FULL SECURITY ACCESS to ALL Info)

* I don't mind signing a non-disclosure agreement



[edit on 19-7-2010 by superluminal11]



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 01:36 PM
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Be sure to update us with how many offers you get.

You didnt list your qualifications though. Dont you think they would want to see your resume before making you an offer?



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 05:05 PM
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I hope you were being sarcastic, however seeing how they have so much money to throw around (and this is only for the accountable sums), I wouldn't put it past them to hire someone right off of an internet discussion board and for *expertise that is questionable at best.

--airspoon



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 07:05 PM
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BBC just released an article on their homepage!

Washington Post exposes US 'intelligence flaws'


www.bbc.co.uk...

More of the same...


[edit on 19-7-2010 by freighttrain]



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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I see this as more propaganda.. truly if this was "damning information" they would not let the post publish it .. its a total propaganda piece.. either one to get more funding to "clean up" the security programs or to cut them back and then conveniently a "teror" attack happens again then they tighten the screws even more..

Think about it..

Either way they get what they want ... more government



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:08 PM
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I agree. What I see the Washington Post piece as is damage control.

The bottom line of that long article?

"After 9-11 a big secret security system was created to protect us. They have been spending too much money on it, and there is a lot of wasteful overlap. (Got to give us something to focus our anger on)"

"The problem is, its so big no one knows what everyone else is doing, and no one is in control. Its really well intended, but its just so inefficient and unwieldy."
(Totally setting up deflection, now the masterminds can claim they just didnt know what the big out of control system was doing.)

"Mostly, even the people in charge of the programs have been kept in the dark about whats going on, though they did try to find out."
(Setting us up for a lower level employee to take the fall for whatever Assange is going to leak about them.)

When and if Assange leaks information showing some really bad crap has been going on, someone has to take the heat. The big boys dont want to, and they dont want us mad at the politicians and such in general, so we are being sold a line of crap that "Its so big no one knows whats going on! Even the Generals and heads of various agencies dont know what to do with it! We are the victims of our desire to protect you!"

Im not buying it. I do buy that they funneled obscene amounts of money into this monstrosity to fatten up their contractor friends. I also buy that there is a lot of overlap and redundancy, because they were fattening up their contractor friends. What I dont buy is the idea that they were so overwhelmed by the size and scope that they have no clue whats going on.

But wait for it. If and when Wikileaks breaks a lot of really negative intelligence documents, you will hear a lot of outrage from the higher ups, stomping their feet and insisting they could not have know this was going on, and some low level lackeys will be handed to the masses to burn at the stake.

Such utter crap. Its totally laying the foundation for the "We could not have known this was going on" defense so that they can hold onto power if we find out some evil stuff has been happening.

Vote them all out. Democrats and Republicans. All of them. Vote in Big Bird for all I care, but vote them all out. Or we are done for.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Vote them all out. Democrats and Republicans. All of them. Vote in Big Bird for all I care, but vote them all out. Or we are done for.

do you really think that voting makes a difference
to these people. They sit and laugh at election time
just waiting to see who they're gonna blackmail
or threaten into submission. It's a never ending
cycle. Do you wonder why Obama promised
all these changes on the campaign trail and wound
up being just another Bush? The Presidency has
been compromised.

These spy networks operate outside of the legal system
so using the legal system against them is useless.

The only way to defeat them is for a full blown Revolution
by the masses. Even the Military has been compromised
on varying levels.

These folks spotlighted in this article are the grunts
of the TPTB. They may not know it, some of them,
but they are.

If you want to take down TPTB, you have to defeat
their foot soldiers first. And this article shows their locations
and their strength level. This is some of the best intel
for the Revolution in print. View it as the Revolution's
Daily Briefing.

This is your mission should you choose to accept it.
This message will self destruct in 10 seconds.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint

do you really think that voting makes a difference
to these people. They sit and laugh at election time
just waiting to see who they're gonna blackmail
or threaten into submission. It's a never ending
cycle. Do you wonder why Obama promised
all these changes on the campaign trail and wound
up being just another Bush? The Presidency has
been compromised.


I agree that both parties are stooges. And that if a third party gets in, they will be pressured to conform. But I do think voting still matters. And if everyone votes third party, it might force them to show their hand before the want to.



Originally posted by boondock-saint
The only way to defeat them is for a full blown Revolution
by the masses. Even the Military has been compromised
on varying levels.


A) I think voting still has power.

B) You need to at least in good faith try the non violent method before jumping to the violent method if you want to honor our Constitution.

C) You will never get the masses to agree to your revolution unless they know for sure elections are rigged, or the PTB get nervous and make a hasty grab for power rather than using the slow but sure method they have been using.


Originally posted by boondock-saint
This is your mission should you choose to accept it.
This message will self destruct in 10 seconds.


You know, its not that I dont think it may end up coming to that, but there is a right, (Constitutional) way to go about it. You use the chain of command first, then you go commando. Thats how the founders designed it, and thats what we should do. We lost this country because of OUR inaction, inattention, and apathy. I think the minimum required of us is to follow the blueprint given us, and honor this nation and her laws.

Anyone who jumps the gun will just end up tried and executed for treason, and the entire cause will be lost. And if a bunch of half baked yahoos go off, all it will do is give the bad guys the perfect excuse to seize control, and the blame will fall on the half baked yahoos. It would be incredibly counter productive. Not only would the citizenry at large be too scared after what happened to the half baked yahoos, but they would be confused as to who the bad guys really are, which is exactly what the bad guys want. The half baked yahoos would be propagandized as scary domestic terrorists, who wanted to do something crazy, and the big bad wolves would claim that they had saved Americans from this fate and were implementing strict controls to prevent it ever happening again.

You want to hand this country over to her enemies? Go ahead. Start a revolution. The people need to see it for what it is first, and for that to happen the PTB need to make a mistake. You can force that mistake by voting the puppets out. A whole slew of newbies is a lot to handle for the big boys. I think it would force their hand, and expose them.
They are sooooooo close to seizing control of world power, I personally think they would jump and show themselves, rather than take the time to indoctrinate the newbies. After all, if we were willing to vote the old guys out, how could they know we wouldnt do it again?

It been a battle for hearts and minds. The only reason the ranks of the military and the police are with them is because they honestly dont know who the bad guy is. The only way for them to see it is for their bosses to make a fatal error and grab too soon.

Just my opinion, of course.

Edit to add;

Obama knew he was lying on the campaign trail. He was compromised before office. Hence the whole Canadian memo scandal. He was preselected for compliance. If they could turn anyone they would not lock out third parties from the media and debates.

[edit on 19-7-2010 by Illusionsaregrander]



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by Gorman91
 


I think Obama is just Bush III. The only reason that I think he is more dangerous, is because people think he is different, and ushering in change. I would almost bet that Obama steps in to stop the Post, unless this whole report is crafted by the intel-idustrial-complex for some nefarious reason.

--airspoon



oooh!

If Obama is Bush.3, can we make Clinton Bush.1 and daddy bush Bush.0?

Ooooh! And then Emperor Palin (blessed be her name) can be Bush.4!

was Reagan Bush.-1?



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 10:52 PM
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Vote them all out. Democrats and Republicans. All of them. Vote in Big Bird for all I care, but vote them all out. Or we are done for.






Do you wonder why Obama promised all these changes on the campaign trail and wound up being just another Bush? The Presidency has been compromised.


what changes, specifically did Obama promise?

I think a lot of people just projected their own fantasies on the guy.

From what i could tell, he he was fairly candid about most of his agenda from teh get go.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 10:55 PM
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So, this article links to a map that is supposed to give info about specific locations, but i cant find squat for the location near where i reside part time...

map: projects.washingtonpost.com...


can anyone throw me a bone?

www.mountainx.com...



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 11:02 PM
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Are you referencing Asheville?

The map shows 4 locations...



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 11:08 PM
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From outside the States, it reads to me as if the Bush/Clinton/Clinton/Bush/Bush/Obama administrations form one dynasty since what is accomplished across all of them is an undermining of your Constitution and the arrogation to the Executive Branch powers it does not legally possess but nonetheless executes via constant criminal misuse of Executive Orders.

How Palin relates to said group is simply not very clear to me from what I have read.

[edit on 19/7/10 by Pellevoisin]



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by justadood

what changes, specifically did Obama promise?

I think a lot of people just projected their own fantasies on the guy.


He was going to bring our troops back and end the war (singular) not start a new one and keep the old one running.



And he was going to work on NAFTA to keep jobs in the US.





While at the same time telling Canada not to get worried it was all just rhetoric.

You are right, people did also build him up in their own minds, and project their need for a savior onto him. But he, (and the other main candidates) know what they are doing.

My point to Boondock is these arent innocents who get in and are corrupted. The "Presidency" isnt where the corruption occurs. The only reason they ARE candidates is because the economic powers know they will play ball. The corruption occurs when people are in the parties moving up to be in position to be president. By the time the parties nominate, we already have two corporate puppets. Which one wins only effects which corporations or economic powers get their butts kissed first. Not whether butt kissing will happen.

If you follow the money most of these powers donate to both parties. And only donate a little more to the one they think will help them the quickest, based on party line.



Edit to fix links to vids.

[edit on 19-7-2010 by Illusionsaregrander]



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 03:36 PM
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Continuing a look at the "expose"



Erik Saar's job title is "knowledge engineer." In one of the most sensitive places in America, he is the only person in the room who knows how to bring data from far afield, fast. Saar and four teammates from a private company, SRA International, teach these top-ranked staff officers to think in Web 2.0. They are trying to push a tradition-bound culture to act differently, digitally.

That sometimes means asking for help in a public online chat room or exchanging ideas on shared Web pages outside the military computer networks dubbed .mil - things much resisted within the Pentagon's self-sufficient culture. "Our job is to change the perception of leaders who might drive change," Saar said.

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A very interesting admission, albeit not directly presented as such by the Washington Post. I wonder if now some of these intelligence jobs are designed to sift through sites like ATS for insight and ideas...hell send em to my posts (humble opinion).

As for the majority of what I have read so far, again nothing I/we didn't know save for some specific details. Yes, the government contracts out but this has been going on for a very long time. DynaCorp was sent to South America and engaged in military conflict long before BlackWater was a headline.

But as an eyeopener for people who don't read this or other similarly themed sites, it's a good one and I am glad this is happening...even if there is an agenda I think that this just means that those of us who have a jump on the Mainstream are just getting started to expose some truth..



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 07:21 PM
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SGIS sold the government the services of people with specialized skills; expanding the types of teams it could put together was one key to its growth. Eventually it offered engineers, analysts and cyber-security specialists for military, space and intelligence agencies. By 2003, the company's revenue was $3.7 million. By then, SGIS had become a subcontractor for General Dynamics, working at the secret level. Satisfied with the partnership, General Dynamics helped SGIS receive a top-secret facility clearance, which opened the doors to more work.

By 2006, its revenue had multiplied tenfold, to $30.6 million, and the company had hired employees who specialized in government contracting just to help it win more contracts.

-Skip-

And then there was what happened to SGIS last month, when it did the one thing the federal government can never do.

It sold itself.

The new owner is a Fairfax-based company called Salient Federal Solutions, created just last year. It is a management company and a private-equity firm with lots of Washington connections that, with the purchase of SGIS, it intends to parlay into contracts.

"We have an objective," says chief executive and President Brad Antle, "to make $500 million in five years."

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Seems that gaining government contracts, to the extent of hiring people whose expertise is getting government contracts is big business...good thing these guys don't release their information to demonstrate how redundant they are.

Don't get me wrong...there may be some relevant and necessary activity that is being accomplished...but when there is a relevant chance that some of this activity is getting applied domestically/ on American Citizens then it brings up the very real possibility that the American populace is paying for its' own leash...and I don't know about anyone else...but that kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth, to say the least...



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 10:13 PM
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All those corporate parasites might have to go out & actually work for a living instead of getting paid to spin out lies.

What a monstrous mess.

Overgrown hydra from hell.

Making us vastly less secure by promoting lies & absurdities to keep themselves in business, sucking the blood of the US taxpayers.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by slank
Making us vastly less secure by promoting lies & absurdities to keep themselves in business, sucking the blood of the US taxpayers.


Certainly seems that way at some times...

I'm kind of wondering if I could get a government contract; I'd invent a whole new model for online information interpretation...


I'd call it subjective interactional/non assumptive/no time for brown nosin' my superiors model for informationally over priced rhetoric that is only complicated when you read the title dealio...


Coffee at night..never again...



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