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2 Utah State Employees Allegedly Behind Immigrant List

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posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 10:34 PM

Originally posted by piddles
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

tell me, can you provide any sources or proof that his is happening in Colorado? I've heard all kinds of people talk about illegals cheating the judicial system but I truthfully can't find any proof of it beyond people just saying other people are doing it.

Wheat Ridge man faces attempted murder charges for using his gun

What are we to think? Last February, a Wheat Ridge, Colorado man named Robert Wallace, saw two men hooking his flatbed trailer up to their truck in his driveway beside his house. He grabbed his gun and ran out to stop them. They didn't stop, and according to Mr. Wallace tried to run him down on their way off his property. He shot twice, hitting one man in the face. Shortly thereafter one perpetrator dropped his wounded friend off at a hospital and disappeared.

It is said that the wheels of justice grind slow, but very fine. So far the district attorney has filed 12 felony counts against Mr. Wallace including 4 counts of attempted murder (don't worry, it's the New Math) and as of July 14th, no charges have been filed against the two admitted thieves Damacio Torres and Alvaro Cardona . They are suspected of being in the country illegally, and have rap sheets that include public fighting and aggravated motor vehicle theft.

And here's an article from back in 2006.

Alien plea deals roil Colorado race

The immigration issue took center stage in the Colorado governor's race after reports that Democratic candidate Bill Ritter approved plea deals allowing legal and illegal aliens to avoid deportation during his tenure as Denver district attorney.

From 1998 to 2004, Mr. Ritter oversaw plea bargains in 152 cases that permitted defendants to plead guilty to agricultural trespass instead of more serious charges, including assault, drug trafficking and vehicle theft, that carry a penalty of mandatory deportation, according to court documents.

[edit on 7/17/10 by Ferris.Bueller.II]

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 11:30 PM
1. gun laws do not protect you from self-defense. In california, it is well known that if you use a gun on a burglar in your own home, you could have charges pressed on YOU. While I agree it is a dumb law and needs to amended and that the people who feel the repercussion of it do not deserve it, that is not an example of an illegal manipulating the system. Anyone could have tried to steal that man's property, and regardless of their legal status, he would have faced charges for firing the gun. As cruel as this sounds, he should have known his gun rights beforehand. Not even the police would have been allowed to shoot at them, not even to shoot out the tires

it is also stated that the 2 suspects are being held for investigation of a larger crime ring. Sounds like they didn't go free to me.

2. I have to feel like you have a bias in favor of the right wing, especially considering your avatar. Only right wing pundits push the idea that obama is a socialist. Your source is a newspaper that leans VERY right, so it's possible that what they are presenting is...biased?

Mr. Ritter, who served as district attorney from June 1993 to January 2005, defended his record, saying many of the cases had evidentiary or witness problems that prevented a successful prosecution on the original charges. The lesser charge was "a tool in the toolbox to get a felony conviction and permanent mark on somebody's record," said his spokesman, Evan Dreyer, adding that the cases represented less than 1 percent of the 38,000 handled by the office from 1998 to 2004.

I must also add it is not an example of an illegal manipulating the legal system.

posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 12:09 AM
reply to post by piddles

Play it any way you want to, piddles.

Not enforcing federal immigration law currently on the books is illegal. Why is nobody in Washington trying to repeal those laws so they can do what they are doing now legally, rather than trying to pretend the travesty happening now is anything but?

posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 12:51 AM
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

no one in washington can get anything done because both parties keep contradicting each other, especially republicans just saying no to everything. The most effect legislation would be to go after employers of illegals (i.e. the whole reason why they come here) but republicans would block any law that might hurt a business. The US needs to send military aid to mexico and work together to eliminate the cartel but democrats don't want to start another war (when we could just end the ones we're in now, which republicans do not want) .

no one wants to work together because everything in politics has to be so damn personal instead of for the greater good.

I guess that's just too socialist.

posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 01:09 AM
reply to post by slavenomore4u

Would you want your name, phone number, address, social security number on that list?

This list is a massive horrible attack not only on innocent people, but on the 4th Amendment rights of every single American who's name appeared on that list.

But the Right wingers would rather destroy the bill of rights than actually come up with an equitable solution.

These people are just following the word of one man John Tanton, A white supremacist at the head of this anti immigration movement.

It's a sad day in America when people would rather us give up our 4th Amendment rights than to actually find a real solution to the problem. These people say they love the Constitution, but in reality, they are the biggest enemies of it.

[edit on 7/18/2010 by whatukno]

posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 01:29 AM
reply to post by whatukno

I'm reading up on this monster. WOW! I can't even believe this guy.

Reading up on SPLC, fantastic group, made me feel good to read about it. I like this quote the most:

On April 2, 2010, Mark Potok of the SPLC expressed concern that hot rhetoric and disinformation is causing a dangerous increase in paranoia and confrontation within the political landscape. There is the concern that overheated speech of pundits and politicians is inflaming hate groups that may pose a viable threat. Potok specifically singled out Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann, Congressman Steve King, and commentators Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs as failing their moral responsibility for what Potok describes as "inflammatory effects of their rhetoric on hate group violence

led me to the patriot movement. I always knew America's modern militias were little more than idiots with guns, I never knew they wanted the 14th amendment repealed!

posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 01:49 AM
reply to post by piddles

You have to understand, to most right wingers, the only Amendment they give a damn about is the 2nd Amendment, the others to them are superfluous and unnecessary.

Right wingers live in a world of complete hate and fear, and they don't want to be alone, and they don't want to alienate people who they can brainwash, so they are subtle in what they say till the new recruits are sufficiently indoctrinated in the hate and fear campaign they spread. Then, the venom comes out, and they really poison the minds of people. This is what allows things like the OP to happen. People so scared, so full of hate and rage, they decide to step on the 4th Amendment rights of everyone just to get at their enemy.

As we can see, they have no problem throwing away the 4th Amendment rights of American citizens in order to push their agenda. This kind of horrible act must not ever be taken lightly or as some fluke, because if it is allowed to continue, people's lives will be in danger.

The above is just the tip of the iceberg as far as these Right Wingers are concerned, already in AZ there are militia vigilante groups that have formed that want to start hunting down people at the border.

All across ATS there is this sickening and disturbing trend to support these vile criminal acts. Some have even taken it upon themselves to harass suspected illegals just on the basis of their English speaking ability. It's a trend that I once hoped that the staff would have curbed, but unfortunately nothing is being done about it. The only way I can see to try and take back our beloved board is to speak out against these sorts of things and try and educate people to what the reality of the situation is, before this site turns into another site like stormfront.

[edit on 7/18/2010 by whatukno]

posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 12:55 PM
reply to post by whatukno

And, piddles, white supremacy has never gone underground, just changes its name, the current chameleon change being a "third position". This 3P group loves the TPM

Needless to say, both events were almost exclusively comprised of our people, varying only by age, socio-economic status and temperament. Following the Morristown Tea Party, we relaxed with a few drinks and light conversation at a nearby pub. It is crucial that we network at – to borrow Kevin McDonald’s phrase – implicitly white activities such as Tea Parties and Euro festivals to bring the message of hope to our people.


...."our people"..."implicitly white activities"...and that's not Kevin McDonald, the actor...

As long as people are encouraged to go after victims of corporate power (as did the list makers in Utah), rather than fight corporate overreach, the corporate powers laugh all the way to the bank...and Washington, where they continue to buy influence.

posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 12:30 PM

Originally posted by piddles

Before some genius says that this is necessary or they're heroes or something, it's important to note that there were people on this list who weren't illegal who had their information sent to various people without their consent, which kind of defeats the purpose of the list. It means they weren't well researched enough and it's really just whatever hispanic name they could find.

I'm personally sickened by this. I thought we were "innocent until proven guilty"?

apparently, we're guilty until proven mexican.

stay classy, 1070 supporters
(visit the link for the full news article)

Total trash! These idiots need to be put in jail for this. If I was one of the American citizens that was on that list I would sue the HELL out of the state of Utah.

posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
reply to post by piddles

by the way, wouldn't you say it's hypocritical that the only way they thought they could get rid of illegals is...illegal?

It has gotten so bad here in Colorado that U.S. citizens are being prosecuted for defending themselves from the criminal activities of illegals, while the illegals walk away.

What city in Colorado are you living in? In Colorado Springs Im way more afraid of gun totting G.I.'s then any illegals.

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