David Icke on James Randi sex tapes, False Memory Syndrome, Pedophilia, etc.

Hi all,
I've been reading David Icke's book "The Biggest Secret" and it's very mind blowing and far fetched even. Anyway, I found a page in it about James Randi, for those interested. Here is the excerpt: (Page 346)

"One of the leaders of the FMSF Doctor Ralph Underwager, was forced out when it
was revealed publicly that he and his wife, Hollida Wakefield, had given an interview to
a Dutch paedophile magazine called Paedika in 1993, in which he said that sex with
children was “An acceptable expression of God’s will for love”. Three members of the
Advisory Board of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation in the United States have
been Doctor Martin Orne, a notorious CIA mind controller at the University of
Pennsylvania; Doctor Louis Jolyon ‘Jolly’ West at the University of California, another
infamous CIA mind controller (featured, like Orne, in .. And The Truth Shall Set You
Free); and James Randi, a magician known as The Amazing Randi. Amazing indeed to
hear a tape of him, as I have, propositioning teenage boys for sex and boasting about his
‘nine inch willy’. Or maybe that tape and the transcript in my file is a false memory.
Randi has also been used to discredit psychic powers and phenomena through a
ludicrous organisation called the Committee for the Investigation of Claims of the
Paranormal or CSICOP. This is headed by Paul Kurtz, the chairman of Prometheus
Books, which publishes the works of James Randi and books about children’s sexual
encounters with adults. Kurtz is Professor emeritus of Philosophy at New York State
University in Buffalo. Another member of CSICOP, Vern Bullough, the Professor at the
Faculty of Natural and Social Science at the University of New York, is the ‘Human
Sexuality’ Editor at Prometheus Books. He is also a board member of Paedika, the
Dutch paedophile magazine which interviewed Ralph Underwager of the False Memory
Syndrome Foundation. A number of people are board members of both FMSF and
CSICOP. What a web we weave. Discrediting psychic phenomena, life after death, or
the memories of childhood ritual abuse, its all the same to these guys. And what do both
organisations have in common? They serve the Brotherhood Agenda by suppressing the
exposure of the mind control and ritual abuse networks and the knowledge of the true
nature of life."

Now, did any of you listen to the Randi sex tapes that are circulating on the net? I have a copy of them and never knew what to make of them. Randi claims he was part of a police sting to entrap boys who were trying to blackmail him. But that story makes no sense. And it is unexplained how and why such tapes were made and why they got into the public hands.

Any answers?

Randi did issue a public letter long ago back in 1999-2000 about this incident, which contained his explanation, but it has disappeared off the web. For some reason, it was taken down. Perhaps he didn't want to bring any attention to it or felt it wasn't necessary anymore. Too bad I didn't save it at the time.

If anyone wants to listen to them, here is a download link. Just unzip the files after downloading.

www.happierabroad.com...

reply to post by WWu777


As bad as this sounds, what does this have to do with Icke? Why did he even mention it?

reply to post by WWu777


i knew there was a reason why i hated that guy. i'm just waiting for the crowd that endorses feltching to show up and tell us how grand it all is.

Originally posted by One Moment
reply to post by WWu777

 

As bad as this sounds, what does this have to do with Icke? Why did he even mention it?

So why would he NOT mention it?

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James Randi's sexual orientation and whatever he is alleged to have done (which is in great dispute) has no bearing or relevance to his work, his intelligence, or his foundation. David Icke is presenting a casebook example of a Straw Mans argument.

Einstein's theory of relativity would not turn off just because it was revealed his was into bestiality. Everybody has their kicks, and if Randi's kicks are to engage (allegedly) with phone conversations with other legal adults (a 16 year old is hardly a child, and not grounds for pedophilia) then let him be.

Originally posted by One Moment
reply to post by WWu777

 

As bad as this sounds, what does this have to do with Icke? Why did he even mention it?

He was just making an observation and connecting the dots, as he usually does. The man is brilliant, Icke I mean, not Randi.

Randi is rude and a denier and never asks questions to learn anything. He knows it all, is arrogant, closed minded, and hates mysteries and new things.

Icke on the other hand, is a rich charismatic captivating speaker. Icke brings people UP, spiritually and conscious-wise I mean. Randi brings people DOWN, and tries to keep them in limited left brained thinking.

Originally posted by WolfofWar
James Randi's sexual orientation and whatever he is alleged to have done (which is in great dispute) has no bearing or relevance to his work, his intelligence, or his foundation. David Icke is presenting a casebook example of a Straw Mans argument.

Einstein's theory of relativity would not turn off just because it was revealed his was into bestiality. Everybody has their kicks, and if Randi's kicks are to engage (allegedly) with phone conversations with other legal adults (a 16 year old is hardly a child, and not grounds for pedophilia) then let him be.

Not true. A 16 year old in New Jersey is considered a minor by state law.

So did you listen to the tapes at the download link above? What did you make of them? What was going on? How did these tapes get released to the public?

He was just making an observation and connecting the dots, as he usually does. The man is brilliant

Icke believes wearing the color turquoise for clothing will somehow prevent others from reading his thoughts and provide you with positive energy. Brilliant is an interesting way to describe him.

Randi is rude and a denier

Denying ridiculous claims that hold no evidence to support their ponderous weight is not really a bad thing. As for rude, yeah, I'd probably be rude after 40+ years of trying to debunk superstition and seeing the stupidity of humanity at work first hand.

and never asks questions to learn anything.

Most skeptics, including Randi, asks more questions then "believers" or those with an "Open mind." They ask things like "Why?", "How does this work?", "Do you have any proof of these claims?" Hardly blocking out the gaining of knowledge, it's quite the opposite.

He knows it all, is arrogant, closed minded, and hates mysteries and new things.

It sounds like you hate him not because of his personality but because YOU want to believe things without evidence. You want to just accept new superstitions and fantasy to make your life more complex, meaningful and mesmerizing. Randi and skeptics like him are a direct a front to this, because at any moment, if you internally give him credence, he will destroy your fragile house of lies. It's denial of reality.



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The tapes are nothing dramatic, and really non of my business. Randi's sex life is not my concern. As far as I understand it this didn't happen in New Jersey, it happened in Canada. Canada's age of consent is 16. Not pedophilia, not a crime, not an issue.

Randi alleges that this tape was the product of a sting operation he was related in with the police to catch child predators. He has done such things in the past to assist law enforcement, and since charges have not been filed and he hasn't even bothered to settle the civil suit, I'm going to say I believe his word at the moment over a person trying to get money out of it.

WolfofWar,
Stop lying please!

Randi and Shermer NEVER asks questions. Not in their newsletters. Not in their public debates either. Go to YouTube and listen to Randi's debates on Larry King Live vs. Sylvia Browne, vs. a group of people about ghosts, etc. You will see that he NEVER EVER asks questions. He just denies and says the paranormal experiences are NOT TRUE AND IMPOSSIBLE.

That's all! Stop lying! The proof is on film!

You are a denier yourself.

There IS evidence. You guys deny it due to cognitive dissonance.

See Randi's newsletters. There are thousands of them. Show me ONE where he asks an open minded question to try to understand something that he doesn't know or understand! SHOW ME!

Otherwise, stop lying!

Originally posted by WWu777

Not true. A 16 year old in New Jersey is considered a minor by state law.

So did you listen to the tapes at the download link above? What did you make of them? What was going on? How did these tapes get released to the public?

Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to a person who has yet to go through puberty.

What is going on with the 16 years olds in NJ?

Originally posted by WolfofWar
reply to post by WWu777

 

The tapes are nothing dramatic, and really non of my business. Randi's sex life is not my concern. As far as I understand it this didn't happen in New Jersey, it happened in Canada. Canada's age of consent is 16. Not pedophilia, not a crime, not an issue.

Randi alleges that this tape was the product of a sting operation he was related in with the police to catch child predators. He has done such things in the past to assist law enforcement, and since charges have not been filed and he hasn't even bothered to settle the civil suit, I'm going to say I believe his word at the moment over a person trying to get money out of it.

That's not what Randi said in 1999. He said they were in the USA, not Canada. Where did you get the idea that it was Canada? Can you show me evidence of this? A link?

There were several boys in those tapes. We don't know all their ages.

Where is proof that those tapes were part of a sting operation? It's illegal for the police to entrap boys like that. Where is the officer that can verify this?

Plus if you listen to those tapes, no blackmail of money was mentioned, at all.

And if it was a sting operation, then why did Randi in one conversation ask the boy to hang up so he could call him back at the payphone? That doesn't make sense. How can they trace the call if Randi is the one calling?

Man you are gullible!

Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by WWu777

Not true. A 16 year old in New Jersey is considered a minor by state law.

So did you listen to the tapes at the download link above? What did you make of them? What was going on? How did these tapes get released to the public?

Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to a person who has yet to go through puberty.

What is going on with the 16 years olds in NJ?

I don't know. Listen to the tapes and make your own judgment. The download link to them is above.

Originally posted by WWu777
I don't know. Listen to the tapes and make your own judgment. The download link to them is above.

So the tape does actually give you the impression that there are 16 year olds who have yet to reach puberty in NJ?

I cannot listen to anything at the moment but that sounds like a thread all on its own. Why would boys in NJ be so stunted in their growth and how would it come across on the tapes?

Originally posted by WWu777
WolfofWar,
Stop lying please!

I'm not, you are simply in denial.

Randi and Shermer NEVER asks questions.

Randi's JREF is "asking questions." it's "how does your paranormal or supernatural talent work and can you reproduce it?"

He just denies and says the paranormal experiences are NOT TRUE AND IMPOSSIBLE.

Currently there is no evidence that any paranormal experience can be validated as true. There mountain of evidence is burden on those who claim to be able to do something beyond known human capacity. They are unable to explain and prove their claims. But that's not what this thread is about, so let's not get sidetracked.

You are a denier yourself.

I only deny what is lacking in evidence. I simply want proof, something nobody has been able to provide to me. I've run my own experiments with those on ATS that claimed to have paranormal abilities. I've questioned them, asked them to explain how their technique works and if possible produce them. Those that are willing to try the experiment usually fail miserably. Others are still unable to explain what they even do.

There IS evidence. You guys deny it due to cognitive dissonance.

There really isn't. Nothing credible other then eye-witness testimony has ever come up in my experience or any credible research. Many prestigious and not so-prestigious Universities have had or still currently have a parapsychology department of research. After 60+ years since the trend started no evidence has come up that stands up to peer review or scientific scrutiny.

See Randi's newsletters. There are thousands of them. Show me ONE where he asks an open minded question to try to understand something that he doesn't know or understand! SHOW ME!

Otherwise, stop lying!

His entire career is that of one giant question. The JREF is a question. "What can you do? How? Can you show it to me?"
I'm not lying, you are just in denial. Stop acting like a child, lower your caps, and calm down.

Originally posted by WWu777
That's not what Randi said in 1999. He said they were in the USA, not Canada. Where did you get the idea that it was Canada? Can you show me evidence of this? A link?

Was it the US or NJ specifically? The age of consent in the US varies by state and dips as low as 14.

Originally posted by WWu777
That's not what Randi said in 1999. He said they were in the USA, not Canada. Where did you get the idea that it was Canada? Can you show me evidence of this? A link?

Hmm, let's see. You have any proof that he claimed it was in the USA? Proof! Show me proof! SHOW ME! Don't Lie to me!

Anyways, let's see what Randi's words are on this:

This morning, December 3rd, 1996, my action against Earl Gordon Curley
was initiated. It is being handled by Toronto's largest legal firm,
and the check to retain their services was mailed out. I expect that
Mr. Curley's impatience with this matter will shortly be ended; he has
been complaining bitterly that I've been slow in getting this show on
the road, and now he'll have somewhat different reasons to complain.
I note that his three phone numbers (as shown in the current Toronto
telephone directory) are no longer in service. And, two of my
correspondents report that the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
equivalent in Canada to the FBI in the USA) have notified them that
Mr. Curley has been told not to distribute the Dreaded Tape, as he had
promised to do.

On May 22nd, 1999, Randi gave a public lecture at Cal Tech, in California. At that time Randi read from a formal statement that he had apparently already sent to some people, and for which he invited others to write to him. This statement consisted of Randi´s explanation for the infamous "Blackmail Tape" and repeated his version of the events that led up to the production of the tape. Randi claimed that he made the tape under the direction of the police chief of Rumson, New Jersey, to entrap harassing obscene callers.

So he was working with the Rumson police department to get the caller making obscene phone calls, who was in Canada. That actually vindicates Randi, because if he was soliciting sex on the phone and not working for the police at the time he would have been charged.

Irregardless, a 16-year-old is an adult in Canada, and is certainly not a target of pedophilia.

Why do pseudoskeptics lack any skepticism or critical thinking toward whatever they are told by authority/media/government/establishment? Why do they have unquestioning faith in everything that's official, as if secrets and conspiracies didn't exist?

Is there a disinformation campaign going on?

Words like "skeptic" and "freethinker" have been hijacked to mean different things than their true meanings.

Skeptic now refers to someone who ridicules/debunks anyone and anything that challenges the status quo and anything that's official. That is not the true meaning of the word at all. Look up Pyrro Skeptikos and you'll see that he meant something totally different, not an establishment defender. And freethinker now means Atheist, rather than someone who thinks freely.

This is part of our mind control, to get us to believe anything we are told with unquestioning faith. Of course, if you're under mind control you don't know it, cause if you did, then it wouldn't succeed. If it succeeds, then you are UNaware of it.

Case in point. Pseudoskeptics spend zero time truly investigating anything related to paranormal or conspiracies, but instead just dismiss it offhand. That's not what a true skeptic does. That's what a mind controlled person does.

Why do you think that whenever I ask them the honest question, "Why do you believe everything official with unquestioning faith, and that reality is whatever the media/government tells you?" they run away and can't answer it? It's cause their programming programs them to ridicule and deny such a notion. That's why they can't confront it and must avoid such questions. If they really faced such a question, it would undermine their "programming". Think about it.

If they were free of mind control and are totally objective and truth seeking, they would answer that question honestly. Look at me. I answer ALL questions straight on and without avoidance. Why is that? How come others can't do the same?

If you don't want to believe something, fine. But do so cause of the EVIDENCE, and your open minded unbiased analysis of it, not because of some dogmatic belief that everything official is the truth and that no secrets/conspiracies exist.

Meditate on that everyone, and try to break the trance you're under. True freedom and skepticism/freethinking begins in your MIND.

Skeptics,
Let's do some psychoanalysis/deprogramming here.

I have some serious questions for you, that you keep dodging. Please address them and we'll take it from there.

1. Why do you believe that everything official and every official front is the truth with unquestioning faith? Why do you believe whatever the media/government/establishment tell you without question, and that there are no big secrets or conspiracies? Why are you unable to assess evidence and testimonials to the contrary?

2. If you dispute that you believe #1, then please name some conspiracies/secrets that are true that the government/establishment does not tell us. And list some things that the establishment is wrong about, and why.

If you can't answer the two questions above, then you've either got something to hide or you are under mind control and not aware of it.

There's no way around it.

Your move.

Originally posted by WolfofWar

Originally posted by WWu777
That's not what Randi said in 1999. He said they were in the USA, not Canada. Where did you get the idea that it was Canada? Can you show me evidence of this? A link?

Hmm, let's see. You have any proof that he claimed it was in the USA? Proof! Show me proof! SHOW ME! Don't Lie to me!

Anyways, let's see what Randi's words are on this:

This morning, December 3rd, 1996, my action against Earl Gordon Curley
was initiated. It is being handled by Toronto's largest legal firm,
and the check to retain their services was mailed out. I expect that
Mr. Curley's impatience with this matter will shortly be ended; he has
been complaining bitterly that I've been slow in getting this show on
the road, and now he'll have somewhat different reasons to complain.
I note that his three phone numbers (as shown in the current Toronto
telephone directory) are no longer in service. And, two of my
correspondents report that the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
equivalent in Canada to the FBI in the USA) have notified them that
Mr. Curley has been told not to distribute the Dreaded Tape, as he had
promised to do.

On May 22nd, 1999, Randi gave a public lecture at Cal Tech, in California. At that time Randi read from a formal statement that he had apparently already sent to some people, and for which he invited others to write to him. This statement consisted of Randi´s explanation for the infamous "Blackmail Tape" and repeated his version of the events that led up to the production of the tape. Randi claimed that he made the tape under the direction of the police chief of Rumson, New Jersey, to entrap harassing obscene callers.

So he was working with the Rumson police department to get the caller making obscene phone calls, who was in Canada. That actually vindicates Randi, because if he was soliciting sex on the phone and not working for the police at the time he would have been charged.

Irregardless, a 16-year-old is an adult in Canada, and is certainly not a target of pedophilia.

Can you link a source to the above statement by Randi please? I'd like to analyze it.

Lots of elite people get away with crimes. It's nothing new. They have special protection. Randi may be a disinformation agent protected by "higher powers" all the way up to the secret networks/shadow governments. He is definitely mind controlled, else he would not avoid hard questions from people.

WolfofWar,
Chris Carter's new book "Science and NDE's" gives lots of evidence for the paranormal.

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And so does Charles Tart's new book "End of Materialism".

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