The Truth Is Unknowable. Philosophy and a discussion on a book.

Hey guys, I made a post about this in the religious section but it apparently did not get any views/replies, and I felt a little...discouraged.. for some reason. I really want to make some discussion because this is just right up the ATS alley.

The book: Alamut by Vladimir Bartol


But anyways, the mantra of the book is centered around how the truth is unknowable. This piece of philosophy can be applied to religion, can be applied to CONSPIRACIES, and can be applied to mostly everything really. How do people feel about this mantra? Could you compare it to people who have agnostic views on religion perhaps? Do you think this mantra is full of bologna?

If you want to read some of the philosophy, Scroll down to bottom half of page 125 to 128:

Alamut google book version


Here is the original post I made:

Alamut by Vladimir Bartol

Michael Biggins Translation

It was translated in 2004 to English, but the original language is Slovenian. It has a few tolerable translation errors in the Michael Biggins Translation. It is probably the most famous Slovenian novel in the world with various translations. The book was released in 1938, though. The book may take place in the 11th century but the issues seem to be all too relevant. The book is a lot of philosophy and has extremely rational explanations to the points it tries to make.

Let me note here that this is a fictional book; however, the fictional story juxtaposes with facts and accounts ( there is much conflict between the factual accounts and the mythical accounts that Marco Polo brought back from his journey there.... hell some historians say that Marco Polo never visited the ruins of the castle..). There is just an ongoing debate for many many years of the validity of facts and all information that comes from studying the sect known today as "assassins".

This book is a MUST READ for ALL typical ATS members. Firstly, it would be a good suggestion to study and know about middle eastern culture. The book takes place in the 11th century. Islam is extremely influential in the book so it would be quite crucial to learn about it if you do not already. The man whom the novel is centered around follows a branch of Shia Islam in front of his followers but personally he believes all religion is a huge conspiracy. A good background of history is also recommended!

To put it lightly, the man whom the novel is centered around deceives and creates an illusion for all his followers. He creates such fanaticism from false promises and lies, and the promises and lies become real in the minds of the followers. The followers of this man are sheep. But the man does fulfill every promise he has made. The followers will do anything at this man's command, and if the men are ordered to kill themselves, the followers will kill themselves ON COMMAND. This man, from his educational adventures and through 20 years of planning is able to create a mass following that lives on even after the Mongols invade the region (remember how many people the Mongolians slaughtered in their conquest of Asia/Europe?).

The beginning is quite slow but it does pick up. There are three characters the book revolves around.

I do not want to really advertise this book but it is a nice read...try to find it at a library or I bought my book used from Amazon.

If anyone has read this novel before then chime in and speak your opinion about it! I think if you liked George Orwell's books ( 1984 ), then you will LOVE this book. There are flaws in the book of course, but all books will have flaws about them... the author presents very valid and rationalized explanations to very sensitive issues that are presented in the book.


[edit on 16-7-2010 by fordrew]