While i do find the concept of Illuminati ties to the music industry interesting..

I do have this overwhelming feeling that this new "Masonic" influence to rap is more of an engineered marketing gimmik.

If Jay Z sees that there are hundreds of You Tube clips discussing his links to secret societies then he will keep making music that support these claims...It is free advertising right?

I mean isnt the number one rule of PR :

Any press is Good press ??

just a thought,

~meathead

Very interesting lyrics and some of them make sense Masonically.

It also seems he may be tapping into a little of the Dan Brown coat tail market also.

For the folks who aren't masons -- Does it seem like a lot more attention is being paid to Masonry in the last few years, especially in pop culture?

Ever since joining a few years ago I've tuned out a lot of the noise from outside and except for ATS never really hear people talking about Freemasonry. It makes me wonder if it would make the song more or less popular.

Oh come on, theres plenty of rap out there that talks about the government and conspiracies, and things of this manner. You just have to know where to listen. This is how you can tell the intelligent rappers from the rest.

Originally posted by emsed1
Very interesting lyrics and some of them make sense Masonically.

It also seems he may be tapping into a little of the Dan Brown coat tail market also.

For the folks who aren't masons -- Does it seem like a lot more attention is being paid to Masonry in the last few years, especially in pop culture?

Ever since joining a few years ago I've tuned out a lot of the noise from outside and except for ATS never really hear people talking about Freemasonry. It makes me wonder if it would make the song more or less popular.

now going back to our discussion in the lego thread... could a non mason use similar references in this track

i'd actually like to be a mason, but I believe you need to be invited?!?! The thing I like is the idea of the whole like-mindedness and I presume most of them want to learn. Rufus The Stunt Bum would never be seen again because I'd rather learn from the masters than have to wade through the trudge for nuggets of truth in ATS to be perfectly honest.

Lol, I cant believe Jay-Z took the time to reply to the youtube videos about him. Decent song though, nice switch from the same old same old.

Originally posted by rufusthestuntbum

Originally posted by emsed1
Very interesting lyrics and some of them make sense Masonically.

It also seems he may be tapping into a little of the Dan Brown coat tail market also.

For the folks who aren't masons -- Does it seem like a lot more attention is being paid to Masonry in the last few years, especially in pop culture?

Ever since joining a few years ago I've tuned out a lot of the noise from outside and except for ATS never really hear people talking about Freemasonry. It makes me wonder if it would make the song more or less popular.

now going back to our discussion in the lego thread... could a non mason use similar references in this track

i'd actually like to be a mason, but I believe you need to be invited?!?! The thing I like is the idea of the whole like-mindedness and I presume most of them want to learn. Rufus The Stunt Bum would never be seen again because I'd rather learn from the masters than have to wade through the trudge for nuggets of truth in ATS to be perfectly honest.

You dont have to be invited, its not much of a "secret" society, at least the lower levels aren't, there is probably a local masonic lodge near you, not really all that exciting.

Originally posted by rufusthestuntbum
i'd actually like to be a mason, but I believe you need to be invited?!?!

No. 2B1ASK1... You have to come to us, we don't recruit.

I personally think that Jigga is involved in the prince hall sect of freemasonry, Lyrics in his music,images on his clothing line Roca-wear, and the symbology in his music video's. I just think that the devil worship part that has been getting alot of attention in the freemason talk is not the kind of light he wants shed on his person image. I mean the guy is definalty involved with the elite.Him and his wife have hung out the the president and the first lady. His wife beyonce sang "At Last" at obama's inaugiration party and jay-z even say's in sogs that he text's with obama. I read in the paper a while ago that jay-z,beyonce and her mother along with other's attended an unschedualed visit with the obama's.Since when is it acceptable for a drug dealing gangster rapper to be friends with the president of the united states.
There is another side to the coin though.
I remember in the early 90's when gangster rap started to get really popular and it really started to have an impression on people.it was like the cool new thing. every rapper started to rap about being a gangster even though they were just "studio" gangster's. it gave them street crediblity and it paved a future for them in the hip hop industry.

I can see the same thing happening now with freemasonry and the illuminati. it give's people the impression that their idol might be involved in some secret society and make the people who listen to their music pay attention to every word they say and watch their video's to see what they might do. it's like product placement but more mental.

what makes me laugh is he did an inteview on hot 97 with angie martinez. for those not familiar with that it is a hip hop radio station in new york. In the interview she ask's him that people are starting to buy into that he is a " illuminati devil worshipping freemason" and he say's that he " dont know where it came from i dont know where it started"...I say it came from him putting that kind of image out there. The she ask's him about the images in his video's and if they are deliberate and if he messing with people and doing it on purpous he say's " NO... NOT ME.." then he goes on to say that he dont believe in christian or muslim he believe that religion seperate people but he does believ in a god. which from what i understand is masonic belief.So now i sit there and say to myself ok well if it's not you then who is the "NOT ME'??. Is it the person who is controling his puppet string's, the director of his video's??
In the song with rick ross posted above he say's a line like " I said i was amazing. Not I'm a mason"...now ive listened to jigga since he came out on the scene and i do like his older music alot bit anyway's. The only song he ever remotely say's anything that would closely resemble
"I'm a mason". is in the song " Run this Town' with Rihanna and that idiot kanye west. Which the actual line in the song that jigga say's is " Aint nobody fresher, i'm in mason, uh,martin margiela"
Which is a clothing line. But for some reason he puts the"uh"right after the word mason like he deliberatly wanted to seperate mason from the rest of the rhyme...Now i sat here and recited the line myself and he really didnt need to add the "uh" into the rhyme cause it would flow fine with out it. So why did he lie outright in this new song with rick ross saying that he said something that he didnt.
there is a song off of his first albumn reasonale doubt called D'EVILS where he talk about the evil beating him down, and couldnt understand the mechanics of the underworld, he talk's about a "higher learning", Now you can sit there and say oh he's just saying that because that is how the dope game and the rapper life style is and those are the situation you deal with and grated that is true. but the part that strikes me is the hook of the song "Dear god i wonder can you save me"
"Illuminati for my mind,soul and my body" "Secret Society trying to keep an eye on me"
Very interesting!!!!

If you seen any of Jay-Z's rockaware clothing line some of it is blatant Illuminati propaganda like a hat with the all seeing eye on it ect..., i mean he named his brand of clothes and record label off of one of the rumored Illuminati bloodlines and David Rockefeller even came out and said he was part of a secret cabal in his infamous quote....


Now i don't know if Jay-Z and others are playing into this symbology for publicity much the same way WCW and Hulk Hogan played into the whole New World Order conspiracy when he became a bad guy again back in 1996, which i have to admit was genius because what could be worse then the New World Order so it worked out well....or i don't know if Jay-Z is joining them for real to gain the power they possess, because he has said more then once he was having drinks with the "BLUE BLOODS"......dunno.


As far as Rick Ross gos he should be proud of the fact he was a correcional officer he may have made a difference in a troubled persons life and help send them on the right path....but no because of the mest up society we live in the so called gangsta image that the rap community loves and embraces (even tho it's just a way to keep people dumbed down) looks at it as a bad thing.....and people wonder why the black community hell just the community in general is so messed up.....being a correcional officer should be someone you look up to a real role model.....*sigh* and people wonder why this country has no hope.

Here's a theory about the Illuminati. Apparently the word means enlightened. Wasn't Buddha enlightened? How about Jesus? How about M.L.K.? How about Muhammed? Do you see where i'm taking this folks? Anyone who stands out as a cut above the rest is frowned upon, singled out and falsely accused. Falsely accused by ignorance, not anyone in particular, just pure ignorance. We all are ignorant at times (according to what is ignorant by whoever)

The universe is parallel for all of us. (you don't have to apply A.I. terms either) I am living this life you live and you are living this life i live. Any combination could be meaningful. I can deny ignorance but i cant deny why we are...ignorant.

Its actually just an allusion to his struggles from the ghetto and now hes on top, hes part of the "elite". Using a bit of masonic influences doesnt make him part of any conspiracy or secret society. Its the same thing with Kanyes and Jay-Zs diamond hand symbols and all. This is nothing.

Catchy song by the way!