UPDATE: Obama Warns America The (OIL) Cap May Be Removed

UPDATE: Obama Warns America The (OIL) Cap May Be Removed

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UPDATE: This is not a victory speech, just the opposite.

Obama is warning the desperately optimistic country of problems that could emerge with the new cap. It may be necessary to remove the cap if the oil is leaking out from the ocean floor.



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Lets admit that the population is being told something different then the actual truth about this spill. I have a feeling that if we knew the absolute truth about what exactly is going on, then we would take action and fix the problem ourselves.
















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And to think I just got through reading a thread that said we're all getting hysterical over nothing.

Oh well...

But this 'news' doesn't surprise me in the least...I was expecting as much honestly.

Oh and my own observation? Regardless if the cap should be on, off, sideways or shoved right up a CEO's a BP's wazoola? We'll not hear the truth and if for no other reason than 'they' don't think we deserve it. Of that I'm completely convinced...

Nice isn't it...

peace

Edit: bold

[edit on 16-7-2010 by silo13]

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O no, I was hoping for good news. I was hoping the leak was stopped with this cap. It is impossible for me to trust BP, because they were doing a lousy job in stopping the leak. This really sucks that they might remove it and cause more to gush out.

He has to say that because look what happened when he went all optomistic on the economy...

He's just trying to keep it real. Leaning toward the ominous on this one.

see- everything was great and obama goes and messes it up.

Odd?

First off, the test is going well, and all indications say that the cap is successful and we are nearing the end of the test. So why put out warnings now?

Secondly, he is trying to prop up the economy, and build the confidence of the population in this recovery, so why dampen the hopes? Especially when indications for success are good?

Third, Admiral Chad has come out and declared complete success 2 or 3 times already, and then been proven immediately wrong! So why the hell would Obama warn the people about being overly optimistic when his own Admiral has shown complete incompetence on several occasions, and is still the man in charge?

This entire speech makes no sense? Why do it at all? Why not wait another 12 hours and then make a speech with facts in hand? What is the purpose? The DOW is crashing today, is Obama trying to make sure that it continues its downturn so somebody can profit? Making sure not too much good news gets out?

Implosion is a possibility that I do not hear too much of.

Obama is a swell overseer.

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Yeah, there are a lot of people bashing those that aren't 100% happy that oil leak has been stopped. If you are even concerened a little bit with the leaks from the sea floor, or the long term effects of COREXIT on the environment, or even the actual scope of the magnitute of the underwater oil plumes, a lot of people are saying that we are doom and gloomers. Some of them even go so far as to say that we are sad that the oil leak has been capped!!!

I am glad the leak has been stopped. And I will be absolutely overcome with joy, IF the oil cap stays capped, AND the pressure of the cap does not cause the sea floor to crack open. That is when I'll be happy...or actually, no, I won't be.

I won't be happy and signing Kum By Yah because there are thousands of people without jobs, causing millions of dollars of damage economically, an untold X number of marine species dying, the real probability that what is already in the water will still hit the current taking it around florida, and the still unknown consequences of the aforementioned COREXIT and underwater plumes!!!

Darn it people, the real DANGER of this oil spill is in way over yet!

We already know that oil is seeping up through the sea bed. There have been videos posted from the ROVs.

Or am I missing something 'bigger' than the sporadic 'puffs' of oil streaming out of the cracks?

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right on the money, basically its ok to tell us this part and info but the only reason they are doing that is because secretly they are well aware of whats going on? Or should i say what they have done. They think that the worst is over?We havent even begun. As for the blame and the financial situations of compensation? WTF

JAIL THEM

Because this is exactly what i said would happen from the start. Now when i say that this could be an ELE (Extinction Level Event) people may stop calling me a fear monger etc etc. Ignorance. The signs are there to be seen. My opinion? We have turned her over one too many ties and now we will reap what we sew. They caused it and # rolls downhill and the buck will lie with the tax payer. BP to pay up? No the people that buy their product will pay. A fitting punishment? Jail. Period. They have put the lives of countless people and wildlife at risk through their asshole behaviour, deaths? Criminal charges to all involved. Especially considering they were drilling deeper than the specified tolerances.

Originally posted by Maxmars
We already know that oil is seeping up through the sea bed. There have been videos posted from the ROVs.

Or am I missing something 'bigger' than the sporadic 'puffs' of oil streaming out of the cracks?

Yes, they are worried of something much, much bigger.

The Cap Test is going to raise the pressure of the well from 2400 psi to (hopefully) 8000 psi. This will mean the well-bore casing is intact, and it will mean almost certain success of the relief wells.

Now, if the pressure does not raise that far, then it means the well-bore casing is fractured and the pressure is releasing somewhere in the seabed, and the oil will find cracks in the sea floor. Still, not completely bad news, because the fractures could be near the surface, and the relief wells could still help.

Worst Case, the pressure rises, and rises, and everything looks great, and then we have a catastrophic blow out! The intact casing gives way to the added pressure, the sea floor ruptures, and this very large, very expensive cap will become worthless, and the likelihood of the relief well success goes way down.

Some think they shouldn't test at all. If they don't test, then this new cap can collect almost 100% of the leaking gas and oil and the leak would be mostly contained, but there would be no knew knowledge of the well-bore casing, and no way to estimate success of the relief wells.

Perhaps THIS is why?

All sorts of reasons why they would want to keep it from us.

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There's a lot that we as non-specialists are lacking in information, but pressure and bore integrity are things that we all can cipher. On the face of it, a messy bore is a problem. If this high pressure blowout ripped up the shape and structure of the bore, it is something not to be trifled with. A couple of miles through solid earth may sound really safe but those same two miles seem small when you consider the forces involved. I believe that the idea of relief wells or bores are to escape beneath whatever bore ruin may have occurred, as to establish integrity, pressure, sealing effect etc....

Of course they may deem it necessary to relieve some pressure at the new valve or BOP or whatever it is that weighs 450 tons.....hopefully they are equipped to capture the oil/gas. Does it mean 'doom' if they deem it necessary to open it? All of a sudden everyone's Chance Buckman. Just think...that long bore may be ripped up and exposed all up and down it's length, and for all we know about recorded and inferred history, this may be an extinction event. I don't believe I've ever seen a show which suggested that a huge mingling of the ocean's water, with the oil and gas, caused extinctions or ice ages etc...Think how many millions of years must be between that separated oil and water...that we call our ground and shores. I am thinking that the BP guys are seriously fighting between themselves whether to seal it, using the best cement method they can use, or to chance harnessing a weakened, irregularly shaped bore.... I am speculating here, but I believe the chain is only as good as it's weakest link' analogy fits perfectly when dealing with pressure and the mechanical means to contain it. It will find the weakest link! BP is hoping that the many fissures will slowly re-coagulate and form a stable vessel all around, this means sea floor, everywhere. Maybe they are thinking 'seal it' and tip toe dance away to better prospects, a name change or what have you. I do wonder how Ayn Rand would draw up these guys. They come along, tap the earths engine, call it fossil origin, get every school marm and text to lie about it for them, and they handle it like cheap champagne on the last day in time...stringing up lobbies like spiderwebs to keep the practiced lies intact and enforced...is this 'free enterprise'??? Is this 'capitalism'? I mean...who 'gave' them this aspect of the earth's engine to just 'own' and dispense?

I hope they get a handle on it. I hate to say it, but patience is probably needed for the best outcome of slow re-coagulation of the entire affected area. It is always best to perform one variable at a time, time permitting, in any experiment. This may be a thin scab that is on top of a large artery. We are hearing nothing about the terrifying prospects of a worst case scenario (ie., possible extinction level event) . I suggest that we brace ourselves for more carbon tax assaults if, and when, the thing gets under control. They'll figure that we're due for more government regulated lies, once the sea is no longer under direct oil threat, and old Joe Lieberman and Father Al Gore and all will be wrapping their lips around football fields to make their thing work. Not sure which is worse.....

The ground took time to get damaged...it'd be wise to give it time to re-pressurize.

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I am thinking that the BP guys are seriously fighting between themselves whether to seal it, using the best cement method they can use, or to chance harnessing a weakened, irregularly shaped bore....

I think you are wrong about this part. The first well is always the hardest and most expensive. They encounter a lot of Earth's strata, they learn a lot along the way, and they map out what they learned. To drill a new well is very easy in comparison. I am sure they have no intention of using this well. The Relief Wells are being drilled very quickly with little fanfare because of everything they learned on the original. They won't chance another expensive leak, or loss of life, or loss of equipment.

Nope. They are trying to salvage what they can and get the relief wells in place and seal off this nightmare. They may drill a new well and harvest the reservoir, but they won't risk this well.

As for the extinction level event:
There are a great many possibilities, and ATS is rife with them. They are all highly unlikely, but many of them are plausible. The most plausible being a reduction or contamination of food source for a big portion of the Earth. Another is the possiblity of a Methane release or Methane explosion. Contrary to popular belief, the explosion is not at all necessary to have a catastrophic tsunami, oxygen depletion, or greenhouse effect. Other less likely scenarios would have to do with weather pattern and ocean current changes, etc.

Don't rule out the extinction level idea, but don't worry about it either. Just be informed and wait and see. That is all we can do.

I am going to say nothing about what 'May' happen as we just don't know but I will wait with baited breath as to see what this is a pretence to

Just to add as there was mention of low pressure:


Pressure continues to rise and is currently above 6700 psi.

also all feeds from all linked websites are currently down as of 00.10GMT



[edit on 16-7-2010 by StarTraveller]

Originally posted by StarTraveller
Just to add as there was mention of low pressure:
Pressure continues to rise and is currently above 6700 psi.
also all feeds from all linked websites are currently down as of 00.10GMT

[edit on 16-7-2010 by StarTraveller]

Just curious. Now, I'm assumeing that the increasing pressure is a bad thing. Just wondering how much pressure it would take to pop this new cover off. And just wondering what is causing all this pressure, you'd think with the leak plugged that the pressure should be leveling off.

Why not park one of the Rov by the pressure gauge so the whole world can see what the pressure is.
Sounds to me like it is taking a bit long to get to the wanted 8000 PIS mark. I am afraid that it could get to the 8000 PSI mark and still be leaking below ground. IF the leak was slow would may not know about it for days. And I remember the pressure at the start of this was stated from 20,000 to 70,000 PSI. At those pressures the gauge could read 8000 PSI and still have a good sized leak below ground. Now the big question. What if it is broke below ground and starts leaking though the sea floor? Are we still talking about the nuke non-sense we been hearing?
I sure hope this caps holds. We are all sick of this mess. The clean up could takes years.

Now lets say this is a done deal, so what about next time and there will be a next time. We need to use the time we have between now and next time to come up with new ways to deal with things like this or will will be right back where we started when this all started the next time it happens