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Originally posted by SaosinEngaged
With a disaster as horrible is this, it greatly irritates me how hyperbolic many posters have become.
Thinking everything is a lie, everything is a cover up, the world is ending in a methane explosion of fiery doom and pain, an earthquake that's going to crack the earth in two and pop open like an easter egg...
Stop letting wild speculation get the best of you. Deal with the facts. Don't let the opinion of some random "expert" take hold of you and allow you to propogate that opinion as fact. It's really sad the extent to which that happens here on this board.
Originally posted by LookingIn
reply to post by Deuteronomy 23:13
Science can not always be trusted. Scientist will say anything for a grant. People can be wrong and more often than not they are; even the smartest and strongest among us.
If you were to group people by their vocation, scientists and engineers would be the most dishonest group. At court trials equally credentialed 'experts' are often at odds. Scientific opinion is for sale to the highest bidder. It's easy to lie to people about a subject when mathematics are involved. (How many of you have a degree in math? I do btw)
Science can not disprove the proposition that anything is possible.
Scientists are always servants and never masters. Science has no morality nor ethics.
Science is a tool and as such is limited in scope and applicability. Science is not un-assailable truth.
Like religion science if often used to separate a person from their common sense. Science and superstition are 2 sides of the same coin. If you really want to flim flam somebody there are 2 routes to go: science and superstition.
Relying on 'expert testimony' in order to form one's opinions means one doesn't really know what they are talking about.
The sun rises in the east and 2+2=4. Outside of this the truth is up for grabs.
Wow, that's quite the "drive by shooting" on science. How about you try this one on for size:
Religion can not always be trusted. Evangelists will say anything to gain a follower. People can be wrong and more often than not they are; even the smartest and strongest among us.
If you were to group people by their vocation, priests, preachers, rabbis and imams would be the most dishonest group. At court trials equally credentialed theologians are often at odds. Religious opinion is available from a variety of sects and cults within Christianity and other organized religions. It's easy to lie to people about a subject when no credible evidence is involved.
Religion can not prove the proposition that anything is possible.
Priests and reverends are always servants and never masters. Religion has no morality nor ethics, only a belief in their own dictums of absolute right and wrong.
Religion is a tool and as such is limited in scope and applicability. Religion is not un-assailable truth.
Religion is often used to separate a person from their common sense. Religion and superstition are 2 sides of the same coin. If you really want to flim flam somebody there are 2 routes to go: Religion and superstition.
Relying on theological analysis in order to form one's opinions means one doesn't really know what they are talking about.
The bible was written a long time ago and translated and interpreted and re-written from ancient scripts and oral tradition time and time again. Outside of this the truth is up for grabs.
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[edit on 16-7-2010 by LookingIn]
Originally posted by crazydaisy
reply to post by SaosinEngaged
If we knew what was fact and what wasn't we wouldnt have a need for ATS discussions so we can sort thru everything and try to find the truth. Just because someone says something is fact, doesn't make it so!
As reported in the New York Times, Brian Turnbaugh, a policy analyst at OMB Watch said, "EPA had the authority to act all along; its decision to now disclose the ingredients demonstrates this. Yet it took a public outcry and weeks of complaints for the agency to act and place the public's interest ahead of corporate interests."
On the toxicity question, you could hardly find a more dangerous combination of poisons to dump into the Gulf of Mexico than what has been revealed in Corexit. The Corexit 9527 product has been designated a "chronic and acute health hazard" by the EPA. It is made with 2-butoxyethanol, a highly toxic chemical that has long been linked to the health problems of cleanup crews who worked on the Exxon Valdez spill.
A newer Corexit recipe dubbed the "9500 formula" contains dioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate, a detergent chemical that's also found in laxatives. What do you suppose happens to the marine ecosystem when fish and sea turtles ingest this chemical through their gills and skin? And just as importantly, what do you think happens to the human beings who are working around this chemical, breathing in its fumes and touching it with their skin?
The answers are currently unknown, which is exactly why it is so inexcusable that Nalco and the oil industry giants would for so long refuse to disclose the chemical ingredients they're dumping into the Gulf of Mexico in huge quantities (over a million gallons dumped into the ocean to date).
But it gets even more interesting when you look at just how widespread this "chemical secrecy" is across Big Business in the USA... and how the U.S. government more often than not conspires with industry to keep these chemicals a secret.
It's time to end chemical trade secrets
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Couldn't have said it better. Someone should catalog all the names of the doomsayers and chicken littles on ATS and check with them this time next year and ask them when exactly the end of the earth is supposed to come.
There will be no sign of oil on the beaches, and the marine life will rebound, just like I and many others have been saying.
Originally posted by Perseus Apex
Careful with the man made drugs folks.
They are 'addictive' for no good reason.
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
I guess it all comes down to just how far down the Rabbit Hole people are willing to go. As the days pass by it seems it only gets deeper and deeper...