It's really sad how some people here refuse to deal in facts., page 1
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Topic started on 16-7-2010 @ 12:35 PM by SaosinEngaged
With a disaster as horrible is this, it greatly irritates me how hyperbolic many posters have become.

Thinking everything is a lie, everything is a cover up, the world is ending in a methane explosion of fiery doom and pain, an earthquake that's going to crack the earth in two and pop open like an easter egg...

Enough already.

Stop letting wild speculation get the best of you. Deal with the facts. Don't let the opinion of some random "expert" take hold of you and allow you to propogate that opinion as fact. It's really sad the extent to which that happens here on this board.

Like the topic on the main page about BP "obviously" covering up another leak. Everyone's acting like that's some sort of fact, when the reality is it's nothing more than wild speculation. Treat it as such.

Remember, deny ignorance. It works both ways. Just because we're wise to conspiracy theories doesn't mean we turn EVERYTHING into some massive doomsday conspiracy.

It angers me, because even after the well has capped, it almost seems like some of you WANT this catastrophe to continue so you can propogate more of this world ending doomsday nonsense. It's really aggrivating.

The spill is bad enough, we don't need layers of hyperbole added on top of it. I can respect everyone's opinion, but only if it isn't propogated as fact.

Just because you heard XXXX from YYYY doesn't mean XXXX is going to happen or that YYYYY is even as credible a source as you seem to believe.


reply posted on 16-7-2010 @ 01:49 PM by StarTraveller
I can understand your point bud and to an extent I agree, more so with “get the facts and tell the truth” but we know from various sources that the well head was not the only ‘leak’ in the Gulf – Fact:
One of the sources that say there are more leaks:

Prominent Oil Industry Insider: "There's Another Leak, Much bigger, 5 to 6 miles away"
Oil Well Expert stating that the Well Cap is a sham:


With stories such as those above and many more linked to from various threads on here, how are we supposed to trust and believe all that we are told.

Now the last thing would want to see is for this to go pear shaped and I hope with all my heart we are all wrong and this tragic situation is behind us (Well the leak at least) but one day one of these Corporations are going to majorly mess up, if this case was proven and people actually took note that are in a position to do something about then it would have been prevented.

After weeks of speculation, accusations and a shed load of research why are we content in believing what these ‘people just a day after they claim to have sealed the leak, well one of them at least. It’s all good because the msm say so. They are pretty much told what to say, this we know with the media blackout and the main players (msm) being spoon fed information that BP feels we want to hear.
Sorry mate but I am not going along with what BP say as much as I would love to believe a company that’s supposed to be trusted but also has the accident history they have.
People should remain calm, find the facts and report them with their own opinions added, fear mongering helps no one I agree but there are so many ways this can still go and I for one am waiting with baited breath for this whole affair to blow up in BP’s face because I feel this is the only way it seems that lesson can be learned.

As I said at the start of this post, I agree with some of your points but I don’t believe for one minute they have sealed the leak that was spewing millions of gallons of crude oil in to the Gulf. The varying flow rates displayed on the ROV feeds for one do not add up and this is something I may put a thread together for at a later time because although we are talking about the sea bed, that does not explain the fishy smell I am getting from BP. Where are all the feeds and why are they not showing us what’s actually going on and giving us the figures in order to settle our minds and give us hope.

Peace... ST



reply posted on 16-7-2010 @ 02:16 PM by billyjack
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Matt Simmons is a banker at best and a journalist at worst. He has as much technical knowledge about the subject matter as a gerbil. The fact that he is only interviewed by MSNBC should give everyone a hint about his credibility.


reply posted on 16-7-2010 @ 02:24 PM by OutKast Searcher
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It angers me, because even after the well has capped, it almost seems like some of you WANT this catastrophe to continue so you can propogate more of this world ending doomsday nonsense. It's really aggrivating.



I 100% agree with this...you can tell some of the people who are frantic about this absolutely WANT something to happen. I don't know if it is so they can say "told ya so" or so they have some excitement in their life or maybe they are just disturbed individuals who like to see disasters (car crash spectators).

Good thread...it had to be said...and people should listen...but we both know they won't.


reply posted on 16-7-2010 @ 02:34 PM by mothershipzeta
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That's SOP here, apparently.

A thousand experts can agree on something, but when ONE comes along and disagrees, then everyone falls into lock-step behind him. They discount the 1,000 because they don't reinforce their worldview.

So, they disregard anyone who tells them something contrary to what they already believe. And yet they claim that they are logical, rational people who are "denying ignorance."

In summary, they're just as bad as the "sheeple" they claim superiority over.

Sure, you should doubt anything "official." But that doubt should also extend to those who seem to confirm your suspicions. It's just like email forwarders of thoroughly debunked urban legends - they WANT to believe the message, so they won't take 10 seconds to go to Google and see what they find. And thus, they remain ignorant.
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