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TA-ANALYSIS: 9/11 States No Link Between Iraq and al Qaeda

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posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 10:46 AM
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The 9/11 commission issued a staff report today stating that "no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States." The commission has determined that there was contact between a top Iraqi official and bin Laden in 1994, but nothing came of the contacts with Sudan and al Qaeda. In fact, bin Laden opposed Sadaam's regime and supported Kurdists to oppose Sadaam at one time. The commission stated that no government was found to support al Qaeda before 9/11 except for the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.
 

Original Source CNN:


The report says Osama bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to (Saddam) Hussein's secular regime. Bin Laden had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan.

Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded.

"Two senior bin Laden associates associates have adamantly denied" any relationship, the report said.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


The report also states that Saudia Arabia is a rich funding ground for the al Qaeda, but there is no link with the Saudi government. The 9/11 commission will conclude its sessions today and Thursday, in which CIA officials, members of the Bush Administration, as well as former President Clinton are expected to be questioned.

Reasons for the Iraqi War are crumbling as one of the top reasons has been found to be false. Bush and other administration officials as well parts of the intelligence community should be reprimanded for how the Iraqi War was handled.

Other Links:
9/11 Commission Staff Statement #16 Text

[edit on 6-16-2004 by Valhall]




posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 12:53 PM
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For anyone who paid attention, we knew Saddam an Bin Ladin were not bed fellows, this administration had an agenda from the beginning, I wish they would have had more faith in it's citzens to tell them the truth.



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 04:31 PM
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This is only the latest in a long list of condemnations of the Bush administration that has come from the circus that is the 9/11 commission. In other words: consider the source.

The 9/11 commission is very partisan and biased against the Bush administration. Just look at the antics of Richard Ben-Veniste.


from Jamuhn
The report also states that Saudia Arabia is a rich funding ground for the al Qaeda, but there is no link with the Saudi government.

This is absurd. The Saudi government has been paying bin Laden to stay out of Saudi Arabia for a long time. Consider this:

A while back, a group of terrorists were arrested by the coalition. Interrogation was not getting anywhere, so the terrorists were blindfolded and flown to a site that they believed was in SA. Thinking that they were being questioned by Saudi officials, they immediately gave up much information, including the cell phone number of a member of the royal family, whom they said would vouch for them.




posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 04:50 PM
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Maybe you have some evidence for the claims you are making? While I would like to believe Bush, the fact is he lies, he has been caught up in lies so many times not for evidence presented from outside parties, but by contradicting himself constantly throughout his presidency.
Please tell me, where is this evidence establishing a link between al Qaeda and Iraq, I hear from Bush and now I hear it from you, but no one knows where it is, I guess it got classified/stolen/burnt along with the thousands of other documents the administration is witholding from the public.
Also, either the DoD or Defense Committee has established that reports establishing a link between Iraq and al Qaeda were invalid, and this is just an official declaration of something that had already been established.

I'm tired of people like you and Bush expecting me to buy into such information without showing me documented evidence, oh its a national security risk they say.



The 9/11 commission is very partisan and biased against the Bush administration. Just look at the antics of Richard Ben-Veniste.


Oh, I was not aware Ben-Veniste stood for the whole commission, I was under the impression there was more than one member on the commission. Maybe you can give some evidence about partisan nature of the committee.

I do agree though that it is probable Saudi Arabia would have ties to the government, seeing the amount of activity that occurs in the country, but once again I see no evidence.

I'll just blindly follow the rest of the sheep, would that make you feel better...



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 05:01 PM
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Here, I went ahead and found the evidence Bush gives for you:
us.cnn.com...

Note:


President Bush used al-Zarqawi as an example Tuesday to back his contention that Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda.


Also Note:


U.S. sources say al-Zarqawi has claimed responsibility for a string of attacks on U.S. troops, Iraqi civilians and others, including the August 2003 bombing of the U.N. headquarters in Baghdad.


I see a link between al Qaeda and attacks in Iraq not only on Americans but Iraqis as well. Where was this link before the war? Doesn't it sound more plausible that the reason he is attacking here is because it wouldn't be realistic for him to infiltrate the US itself. Note he is also killing Iraqi officials, as well a radical cleric in Iraq even decided to stop his own attacks in Iraq. Doesn't this sound like the work of a rogue faction independent of Iraq? Maybe someone can explain.



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 05:05 PM
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Partisan or not.. Bush got busted. If he would have been a man and just came forward and said "Saddam is an evil man and has to go" people probably would have supported it. But to come forth with lie after lie shows what kind of person he is. Basically after two wars, billions upon billions of dollars, many lives lost.... the people responsible for 9-11 still roam free.



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 05:32 PM
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Several threads with proof to the link between Al Qaeda and Iraq have already been posted in other threads. Do a search on the forums and you will find them. You can also do a google search on "Iraq link with AL Qaeda" or "Saddam link with Al Qaeda" and you will find lots of information about this. There have been reports even from other sources that are not the US administration. The 9/11 comission has been shown to be a show to the American people and that there have been members of that comission that were trying to sell themselves to the American public by sympathizing with something most "liberals and democrats" think.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential Candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 and co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

The above is the propaganda that liberals are unkowingly accepting and that democrats are partially supporting.

We have also threads that show those who have organized demonstrations against the war, like Iternational ANWSER, who are true socialists and only want to further their own agenda.



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 05:35 PM
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The idea of war itself is to further an agenda. So whether you are for or against the war you are furthering an agenda. So being against killing and violence makes you liberal?



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 05:47 PM
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Believe it or not killing and violence has always been part of the human race, it is a sad fact, but it is a fact nonetheless, and which will most probably always exist. Tell me a place in the world where there is no killing and violence. Wanting a whole country to not react at all when we are being attacked is opening the doors to more violent attacks.

Look at what happened in Spain, there are still terrorists who have used the same explosives as the one that was used in the 3/11 bombing and have been found in other railroads in Spain and even in France.

[edit on 16-6-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 05:49 PM
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Switzerland? :-) Oh and they make good chocolate too. lol



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 05:55 PM
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Even in Switzerland there are murders and violence. Now if you do a search they say that 44% of crimes are committed by foreigners and assylum seekers....

It is true that there is almost no crime in Switzerland but even there there are "ramdon searches on all people who are foreigners"... Also citizens of Switzerland are law abiding to a fault and laws against drugs and other crimes are tougher than almost any other place in the world.

Nonetheless, Swiss police are nothing of a soft touch, and have drawn recent approbration from Amnesty International for their heavy-handed approach to foreigners, asylum seekers and Swiss citizens of non-European descent in particular, with random street searches and “unjustified use of violence” cited.

Excerpted from.
switzerland.isyours.com...

Once more..... there is no city in the world, except places like some Buddhist monasteries and some native people who live outside of civilization, where violence and crimes does not exist in one way or another.



[edit on 16-6-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 06:02 PM
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And the problem with this is what? From reading the article is seems as if they are doing a darn good job.



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 06:11 PM
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Yeah, having tougher laws, having unwarranted searches in the streets......isn't that what so many people are yelling about happening in the US? and it happens a lot more in Switzerland.



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 06:16 PM
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Are they abusing it or keeping the place safe? From the looks of the article they are doing a darn good job keeping the streets safe. Here they'd just find a way to incorporate that into bigger government.

Edit: Also notice they have very few police. The US would be completely the opposite with police at every corner. I mean look at how much law enforcement we have now. Imagine how bad it would be. But also the US is loaded with ignorant people as well.

[edit on 16-6-2004 by Indy]



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 06:34 PM
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Notice that nationals are law abiding citizens and they are indiscriminate against those who are foreigners. Their own laws and their actions make believe that all foreigners are the ones that will cause most of the problems.

Also there are a lot less people in Switzerland than in the US, we have many people from different countries which in Switzerland would be seen as possible criminals even without any proof.

Switzerland is one of the smaller countries in Europe, its about 15,900 sq miles.... They have 7 million people compared to the United States 295+ million, and they still they have a lot of crime.

In Spain which is larger than Switzerland there are almost three times less burglaries than in Switzerland.

Burglaries

Switzerland 60,384 (2000)

Spain 23,856 (2000)

Assault victims

Switzerland 1.0% (1999)

10. United States 1.2% (1999)

Bribery victims

13. United States 0.2% (1999)
14. Switzerland 0.2% (1999)

Drug Offences

2. Switzerland 648.4
3. New Zealand 641.6
4. United States 560.1

Excerpted from.
www.nationmaster.com...

Click on the offences to see a comparison with other countries in the above link.

-Edited to change errors.


We got off the subject...lets continue discussing about the links between Iraq and Saddam...if there is more to discuss.


[edit on 16-6-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 06:49 PM
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Lets look at ranks for the US. These are ranks to the MOST crimes and crimes per capita.


Murders: 6th
Murders with firearms: 4th
Prisoners: 1st
Prisoners per capita: 2nd
Property Crime Victims: 7th
Rapes: 1st
Robberies: 2nd
Total Crimes: 1st
Total Crimes Per Capita: 8th (oddly enough ranked behind some rather unusual countries such as Denmark and Finland)



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 06:57 PM
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Weird stats...

India #1 in murders (of all kinds) per capita


Colombia has by far the logest sentences for criminals of any nation. Nearly 6 times what the US dishes out. Consequently they are ranked down at 53rd in total crimes per capita out of a possible 60. But what do you expect when you give people air conditioned cells, free education, rec rooms, tv, etc like we do here?



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 07:28 PM
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There is no “credible evidence” that al Qaeda carried out the 11 September 2001 attacks with help of Iraq. This finding is a clear contradiction to what US vice president Cheney stated before the war with Iraq, alledging "long-established ties" with al-Qaeda. This was an important motive for the Bush administration to take their nation to war, now found to be false.


BBC
The report on al-Qaeda, entitled Overview of the Enemy, describes the roots of the militant network and its activities.

It says Osama Bin Laden had explored the possibility of co-operation with Iraq, despite his opposition to Saddam Hussein's secular regime.

A senior Iraqi intelligence officer had met Bin Laden in 1994 to hear his requests for space to establish training camps and assistance in procuring weapons - but Iraq had not responded.

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda also occurred after Bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the statement says.

"We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al-Qaeda co-operated on attacks against the United States."

The report on al-Qaeda also finds:

* Bin Laden did not fund al-Qaeda through a personal fortune - it relied on a fundraising network.

* There is no convincing evidence that any government financially supported al-Qaeda before the 11 September attacks.

* The 1998 attacks on US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania "were planned, directed, and executed by al-Qaeda, under the direct supervision of Bin Laden and his chief aides".

* Al-Qaeda is "far more decentralised", now that Bin Laden has lost his Afghan base.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



BBC
The point was reinforced by a CIA expert testifying on Wednesday.

"Al-Qaeda... has by no means been defeated and though weakened, it continues to patiently plan its next attacks," said the expert, identified as Dr K.

"They may strike next week, next month or next year but they will strike," he warned.

The expert is one of several law enforcement and intelligence experts on al-Qaeda testifying before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda also occurred after Bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the statement says.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 07:36 PM
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Bush doesn't even play by his own rules. I don't see Bush as a conservative. You can argue about politics all day, but that doesn't give credence to the Bush administration. Bush expanded the government. Party lines are skewed and continue to become so. I don't think John Kerry is a good choice, but I at least want someone who won't try to keep everything a secret, nor someone who believes in the power of the government rather than the people.
Maybe everything is just pointing to the fact that something is going on behind the lines, and the two parties are just a show.

[edit on 16-6-2004 by Jamuhn]



posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 07:44 PM
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The link between 9/11 and Iraq and al Qaeda is Islam!







 
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