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Matt Simmons says BP covering up MASSIVE HOLE miles away

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posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 02:13 PM
I think simmions is referring to this, that was put out by the Thomas Jefferson in June. I don't know if there was any follow up to this.

They show other plumes in their sonar, but they call them natural seeps. I think they were waiting on tests or something. They've been pretty silent lately.

Honestly I dont understand what alot o their lingo means but here is the report straight from the NOAA site.

If anyone can tell me what they are saying I'd be obliged.

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 02:32 PM
reply to post by speaknoevil07

You do have some submersibles that do not have tethers and that is depending on what type of dive they are doing.Here is a situation that I found where they had to use an untethered submersible.This is also mentioning ROV's but it still works for this conversation.

In active hot hydrothermal regions you cannot land on up close to active vents with a tethered vehicle and do detailed work for extended periods. The tether would be in danger of destruction in the hot effluent. In the recent efforts to examine and recover remains from the Ehime Maru the first attempt to observe the ship failed because the tether of the first ROV used was fouled in the ship's rigging. Such problems do not present themselves for untethered occupied submersibles. The Hawaii Undersea Research Laboratory has been operating at Loihi Seamount, the active seafloor volcano south of the Big Island, for years. After the 1996 eruptions at the summit, the topography of the site changed dramatically with new pit craters and collapse features. The Pisces V made numerous dives to the new site helping to establish a seafloor observatory at the site and a 3-D map of the complex new terrain. Both JAMSTEC and the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institution had considered operations with their ROVs in the new eruption site until they discussed the topography with the Pisces V chief pilot. In the end, they both refused to perform lowerings because of potential fouling hazards for their tethers. Thus, whatever new scientific discoveries might have been accomplished there with the ROVs will never be known.

So it just depends on the environment that the submersible will be working in.

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Lupin

If the guy is as credible as he claims, surely he would know there are no naval subs that can penetrate those depths? .. and unless they know exactly where the hole is.. submersibles won't do much good either..

Ahh....but there is, amazes me why they haven't tapped the use of 'Alvin' the Navy's Submersible.

Displacement: 16 tons
Dimensions: 22 feet/6.7 meters long, 8 foot/2.4 meter diameter
Propulsion: electric motor, 2 knots
Crew: 1 + 2 scientists
Concept/Program: First of the current generation of deep-diving submersibles, Alvin has seen extensive service in research, survey, search and recovery roles, both for civilian and military objectives. She has recently been extensively modernized. Operated by the National Deep Submergence Facility at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, supported by R/V Atlantis (AGOR 25). The Navy exercises no operational control over Alvin. Studies for a replacement submersible are now underway.

Builders: General Mills, Minneapolis, MN.

Design: Single sphere in a fiberglass housing; 13,124 foot maximum depth. Fitted with various manipulator arms and can carry/operate several ROVs. Can be airlifted by C-5 Galaxy airlifter.

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 04:17 PM
Some more info....

[edit on 16-7-2010 by speculativeoptimist]

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 04:45 PM
reply to post by tommyb0y

The simple answer is I trust NOAA scientists on the scene more than BP or the politicians. You are right about the pressure, but you do not think BP and the politicians would lie about the other leaks as long as they get the oil. This deposit could be so big that it could hold enough pressure to keep 100 wells going. Today the POTUS said the worst thing that would happen was they could get 85,000 barrels of oil a day out of the well. That is a little more than the 1 or 5 or 20,000 barrels that they have been promoting. There are cold calculating people who see a situation like this and decide the gulf is lost, the best they can do is keep the population in line while they get all the oil possible. As a test see if the relief wells work. I do not think they want to close the well off. Either way the first hurricane that comes through there will turn the gulf and every place it rains into a toxic waste site.

You would have submersibles taking pictures of the seafloor all around the well wouldn't you? I mean you would want to know if there was a serious leak anywhere else right? Are they doing that? Woods Hole offered to do it but was turned down. Why? Has BP done it and found nothing? No, they would tell you that. But your right. All hysteria. Everybody can look at the TV and see that everything is ok. It's a snore, waste of time thinking about it.

If you would, this coming thanksgiving think back to today and look at the gulf and the people who are still there and the people who are not.

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 05:45 PM
reply to post by rufusdrak

I haven't read through this entire thread yet but I have already seen some posts here about what you are saying. You might be interested to know that In 1960 the Navy had a manned submersible called the Trieste that went down 7 miles in the Marianas Trench so yes they do have the capability. IO don't think we are actually being told what is happening down there. AS good as the ROVs are I am sure that they have sent people down there to look with their own eyes and we just aren't being told.

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 06:30 PM

The pressure test that London-based BP started yesterday is giving readings that are slowly rising from the 6,700 pounds per square inch that the company reported earlier today, Allen said. The company will continue with the test for at least another six hours, Allen said. While pressure below 7,500 pounds may indicate that the well is leaking, the fact that the pressure is rising might suggest well integrity, Allen said. The test is aimed at determining whether BP can leave the well shut before it’s permanently sealed next month.
Bloomberg Update2

I am puzzled that the pressure is rising slowly. If the flow is now widening its pipelines to the sea bed, then the overall flow must be increasing,and the supply hole down below is getting bigger too. - that's the only way you can have slowly rising pressures with a leak...

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 06:35 PM
well it looks like the truth is coming out, just came for yahoo news for what is it is worth, the pressure is not what they were expecting, no leaks have been found at well site but could indicate leaks else were. and on a related note, congress asked for reports on abandoned oil wells in the gulf, could they too be leaking? the more i see of this, the more i believe in that were are in the last days.

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 06:42 PM
reply to post by bekod

The last days of what?

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 06:52 PM
reply to post by seataka
Why do they have to wait so long for the pressure readings. Oil is a fluid the pressure should equalize fairly quick. Your brakes on your car run on hydrolic fluid. Its not like you push the brake pedal and then wait for it to stop in a little while. This is a straight pipe there isn't any chamber or resevoir to fill like in your brakes.

The only way it would keep rising would be if the oil where filling a void. This would mean the casing is ruptured. As the void filled the pressure would go up. The void would be created by a gas. Methane H2S or something. Being a gas it is a compressable material.

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 07:39 PM
reply to post by jlafleur02

While I'm no expert I too thought this. For the last 80 days, what has been the supposed psi of the oil coming out of the pipe?

As soon as a resistance is put over the oil shouldn't it immediately reach it's maximum psi? That oil was coming out hardcore.

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Nomad451
reply to post by jlafleur02

While I'm no expert I too thought this. For the last 80 days, what has been the supposed psi of the oil coming out of the pipe?

As soon as a resistance is put over the oil shouldn't it immediately reach it's maximum psi? That oil was coming out hardcore.

I've wondered this too! And weren't we told the pressure at the beginning of this mess ways somewhere between 30,000 psi and as high as 100,000 I remember quoted? I never believed these numbers, but without trying to find those threads, do others remember the psi being quoted as much higher than 9000? I just can't understand how it was so difficult to fill this pipe and then put a top hat on it, but now we can.

And I also don't understand this waiting for pressure to build up for readings either. You cap something pressurized, and you take a reading, right? Only obvious answer IS there IS A LEAK (or two or 10x that)

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 08:08 PM
How does it feel to be played like a fiddle by all these conflicting / nonsensical MSM reports? I am saying it again, and I said it another thread. They are going to keep this thing going like a Super Bowl game. One day it will be HOORAY AWESOME back to normal and the next day it will be the end of the world. Mark my words - this is going to carry out for a long time.

PS. I just made a post on the BP Disaster forum here on ATS regarding how BP is now trying to bribe Gulf State Universities Scientists. They even tried to buy off a whole department in Alabama. And now the scientists are speaking out...

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 08:11 PM

[edit on 16-7-2010 by justadood]

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 08:19 PM

Originally posted by tommyb0y
reply to post by Astroved

Prove it! Bet you can't!

what do you mean?

he used exclamations points AND capital letters.

isnt the evidence?

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 08:23 PM
reply to post by SunnyDee

I don't know what the supposed pressure of the oil was that was coming out, but to constantly run for 80 days I'd imagine it would have reached it's maximum.

If the oil is constantly running through the drill hole in the ground and the you immediately place a "cap" of the exit point, I can't imagine how the pressure would need to build up? Its not like the oil has anything to fill, or does it?

Looks like their pressure is lower than they are hoping for anyway.

I have a pretty strong suspicion that there are other leaks. I really wish I could just grab Matt Simmons and sit him down and grill him on what the hell he is talking about, and where he is getting his information on a huge hole in the seabed miles away, and why he is so sure of it's existence.

I don't trust BP. Who really believes there is full transparency anyway? As if.

But I don't trust Matt Simmons either, he could have any kind of agenda, or maybe he's just straight out bonkers. Maybe he's telling the truth and he's right.

If there is a hole miles away, it sure as sh*t can't be kept covered up for long

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 08:54 PM
just took this from, for what it is worth...

"On the sea floor there is currently no evidence of the well rupturing.

The flow of oil was shut off at 1425 local time (1925 GMT) on Thursday. The stoppage is part of a test of the integrity of the well.

If the pressure within the new cap on the well stays high, that could mean there are no other leaks or ruptures within the wellbore. If it drops, that could suggest problems.

The pressure within the well was at 6,700 pounds per square inch on Friday morning and steadily rising, said BP Vice-President Kent Wells.

If it were to drop below 6,000psi that would probably mean there was a problem within the well. If it continues rising and stays over 8,000psi that would probably mean the well was intact, Mr Wells said.

There is currently "no negative evidence of any breaching" of the sea floor, Mr Wells said. BP will soon run another seismic survey to check for any evidence of ruptures."

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Nomad451
reply to post by jlafleur02

While I'm no expert I too thought this. For the last 80 days, what has been the supposed psi of the oil coming out of the pipe?

Those PSI estimates have wandered all over the place since this began. The story, the schedules on what they're going to do have wandered all over the place. What about this valve, that story showed up 3 days before it was installed, that one came out of nowhere. We have a form of Martial Law down there with BP an Oil Company in charge, whats that all about, does BP work for Homeland Security now, why doesn't Obama just put 'Taco Bell' in charge. There have been news blackouts, restricted airspace, the Navy being relocated, and the list goes on. I for one wouldn't trust Federal Government or any of it's agencies including NOAA for any accurate information on this one. In my opinion there is the very distinct possibility that something Very Huge could be in the offing, this is far from over. Oh yeah...then there's Obamas 'Kill Switch', how timely and convenient.

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 09:43 PM
Well just a tid bit of info but according to the news althought the pressure is rising it isn't rising as much as expected which makes the pressures unusual.

posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 10:47 PM
reply to post by Nomad451

The season finale of Lost, i think


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