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UFO Crashes in Shaitan Mazar, 1991.

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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 02:15 PM
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As the story goes, a huge dirigible-shaped object first attracted attention on August 28, 1991 at 4:42 local time when it appeared on the radar screens of the Mangishlak Peninsula, flying from west to east at 960 km per hour and at an altitude of 6600 meters. The object would not respond to communications, and fighter jets were sent to intercept it. The pilots intercepted it over the Arial Sea, and described it as dirigible-shaped, 600 meters long and 110 meters wide, with very little surface detail except for two round "holes" near the front. The object did not react in any way to the presence of the jets.

When approached, however, the MIG's systems shut down and engines began to malfunction. The object began to make zigzag evasive maneuvers and increased its speed from 960 km/h to 6800 km/h.

About half an hour later, the object disappeared from the radar, in the area of Lake Issyk-Kul near the border of Krygyzstan and Kazakhstan.

The next major development occured a month later, when reports began to trickle back that a huge UFO had been seen to crash in the Tien-Shan mountains. The site was said to be in a gorge named "Shaitan Mazar" or "Grave of the Devil". A search party dispatched failed to reach it due to heavy snowfall. An Air Force helicopter sent there also failed, as it had crashed.

In June of 1992, a second expedition was mounted, which arrived on-site on 6/12/92 and set up a base camp 2.5 kilometers NNW from the actual crash site. The path of the object was noted to be such that it had slid 1700 meters after hitting the ground. It then exploded from within its center, blasting it into almost two equal parts and bending its internal structure outwards from the center of the explosion. Decks and interior features were visible inside the object through the gap made by the blast.

The expedition immediately noticed the following unusual effects when they began to examine the object:

* They could not photograph the object because some sort of radiation exposed all film and ruined all videotape. Whenever a member of the party got closer than 800 meters to the object, he began to feel unusual anxiety, depression, and exhaustion.
* Within this 800 meter range, the men's hair stood on end. Instruments showed an unusually high amount of static electricity in the area.
* Compasses and magnetometers refused to function properly in the area of the object. Measurement devices registered no magnetic fields at all within an elliptically-shaped area centered on the object and measuring 2230 meters long and 1700 meters wide. Even naturally occurring magnetic rocks showed no magnetic field within this ellipse.
* All clocks and wristwatches stopped at a distance of 600 meters from the object.
* Anyone who approached the object began to suffer from some sort of radiation burns at a distance of 500 meters.


Source: Shaitan Mazar

Fact or fiction? I tried to find further information about it, and if there's been any more expeditions up there, but with no luck. Would be interesting to know if any of you might have som information that could give credence to this story?

Nevertheless it's quite a good read, who knows, it might even still be there


Edit:

Added picture of a handwritten note with a drawing of the object along with a translation. Can be found in one of my subsequent posts beneath.

[edit on 15/7/10 by Droogie]




posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 02:23 PM
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Very interesting. Seems like that could be what would happen when exposed to some sort of new energy we know nothing about. I wonder what happened to it after this expedtion went there. Looks like I need to read the link, lol. Nice find.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 02:23 PM
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Double post. sorry.

[edit on 15-7-2010 by DrakeDarc]



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 03:50 PM
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It sure is an interesting story, but that's not really enough for me. I've been trying to find any sources that might collaborate the story, but nothing so far. That's why I posted it here in hopes that someone might have some new\old information that can ellaborate and give some indications to if it's real or not.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Hmm... So who were the sources that said a helicopter crashed? I wish there were some actual quotes or testimonies from the people who tried to approach. Either way, great story S+F



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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I like how UFO stories on ATS can get multiple S&F's without video/photo "evidence"...

NOT!



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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Was just able to find the information below.

Here's a picture of a handwritten note that supposedly was made of the craft.



And here's the translation:

- Handwritten note -

"The Zeppelin" in Tien-Shan.

Natural boundary "Sh.-Mazar". East gorge.

It is impossible to make photos. Victims exist.
Marks are green. Size is 620x120m

The central part is broken off, probably by self-liquidator unit.

The amazing effect is caused by high-intesive negative chronal field,
up to a complete stop of all watches on distance 600 meters from object.

Besides, the almost complete absence of a magnetic field on this
distance is marked, even in samples of rocky breeds (diorites).

[Figure]
[Below under an arrow] "a trace of sliding".

- End Translation -

Source: The Devil's Grave... Almost Fantastic Story

Still doesn't help much though.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 04:49 PM
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If you look at the post above, you can find some of the information you want to know. Can't prove its authenticity though.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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took the liberty of looking at sat images of the area and this area looks a bit modified or somethng

maps.google.com...,76.871338&sspn=5.314316,9.854736&ie=UTF8&hq=tien+shan+mounta ins&split=1&hnear=&ll=43.052144,77.199211&spn=0.04083,0.07699&t=h&z=14


poss. crash site covered up?



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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i can believe it...

Judging from the notes drawing, it looks to me like a hot dog shaped ship with the 2 holes being, windows??? and the markings being the ships name like how we put our vehicles name on the side of the ship... or the markings could be their mission, the crews names, or they put it there to make it look cool...

BTW im no expert and i didnt read the translation for the note i just looked at the picture...

PLUS excuse any of my grammar mistakes because im on my mobile phone and its hard to be gramticly corect sometimes



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by CanadianDream420
I like how UFO stories on ATS can get multiple S&F's without video/photo "evidence"...

NOT!


Because it's an interesting story and actually, even if a hoax, has been very well thought out and logged? Little details like the time being given as 4;42...not approximated to 4;45 or *about 4;45*, mean whoever concocted the tale, or reported it genuinely knows their onions.

Me , i find it incredibly interesting that the location is called Shaitan, to those who study the more esoteric areas of knowledge, that name holds a deep deep resonance.

Here we reach an interesting point. Is the name designed to draw us in and add weight to a hoax? Or is it a perfect piece of serendipity that such a crash should happen in that specific location?

The Russians have many experts in black propaganda who have had to find work elsewhere since the end of the Soviet Union. it could be a very clever ruse to attract tourism, into an area totally starved of resources and the old moolah. Given its' inaccessibility, it would require some serious planning and out lay. One expedition could be worth a 1000 casual tourists to the local economy. From that point of view i can see how, someone might be well willing to perpetrate such a hoax.


On the other hand, the Russians also have a far more open attitude, through the halls of science to the military when it comes to the * paranormal*. Given that, it would not be that strange for someone to be happy to talk about an incident such as this, w quite openly and carry quite a serious rank behind them as credibility.

To be grudge a star to a thread that could be the opening salvo of a million threads worldwide, as the meme spreads, seems a little disingenuous to me.

Personally, I'm a tad more excited, if totally cautious about a story like this than yet another blurry video/bad photograph of some distant object. As the old proverb says. Every journey, begins with a single step.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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Fact or fiction?


Thanks for bringing to the boards.


Although I'm not any more familiar with the case than anyone else, IMO the close encounter with the Russian military might have some truth to it. The part about the object crashing and being cracked perfectly in half is fiction (or perhaps mostly fiction).

I remember reading a similar take on the Roswell case. Military personnel approaching the crash site and the saucer was conveniently cracked in half exposing the dead alien bodies etc etc...

Perhaps it was a landing mistaken for a crash? Again speculation.

I'll try and dig up more on this case.

-SJ76



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 06:07 PM
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Could i get some coordinates to the crash site please. i had trouble pulling up your link id really like to see it.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by conspiracy101
Could i get some coordinates to the crash site please. i had trouble pulling up your link id really like to see it.


Don't know if it will help, but here's the direct quote regarding the coordinates:


PvP OK ! "Tien-Shan (Sh.Mazar)" ?! Do you already have the geographical coordinates for the location (latitude and longitude) ?


GJ Coordinates - between 42o10'-42o12' of northern latitude, and between 79o40'-79o42' of east longitude. Kirghizia, to the east of lake Isyk-Kul, 100 kms exact on east from Przhevalsk town, opposite to "peak of a Victory" ("Pik Pobedy" - on Russian). Coordinates are geological, without the amendment on magnetic declination and rapproachement of meridians.



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by CanadianDream420
I like how UFO stories on ATS can get multiple S&F's without video/photo "evidence"...

NOT!


I like how UFO stories on ATS can get multiple S&F's with video/photo "evidence"...

NOT!



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 04:19 AM
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I agree that the first part of the story seems way more plausible than the second part, and the evidence at this point isn't exactly very compelling. But I appreciate your interest, and I hope you find some information that can expand and ellaborate on this topic.


Originally posted by conspiracy101
Could i get some coordinates to the crash site please. i had trouble pulling up your link id really like to see it.


I'd appreciate if you can take some screenshots if you find anything interesting in the area, and add them to this thread.

[edit on 16/7/10 by Droogie]



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by FireMoon

Me , i find it incredibly interesting that the location is called Shaitan, to those who study the more esoteric areas of knowledge, that name holds a deep deep resonance.

Here we reach an interesting point. Is the name designed to draw us in and add weight to a hoax? Or is it a perfect piece of serendipity that such a crash should happen in that specific location?


The name of this place is indeed interesting, but there's no reason for not being suspicious about it. In one of the documents I found they mention the place of the crash, Shaitan Mazar, has had bad reputation among the local inhabitants and that a UFO crashing there is unlikely casual. They don't expand on this however, which I find curious.



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by chunder

Originally posted by CanadianDream420
I like how UFO stories on ATS can get multiple S&F's without video/photo "evidence"...

NOT!


I like how UFO stories on ATS can get multiple S&F's with video/photo "evidence"...

NOT!


Good one


2nd lol



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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I don't see how your replies are relevant to the thread. If you had bothered reading the story, you would know that it wasn't possible to take photos according to the witnesses. This thread tries to find any sources that can discredit or confirm if this was real, that includes pic\video\document and other means. If you need visual stimuli in every thread to be engaged in a topic, you're going to get disappointed. And I can't find where it says you have to have pictures or videos to make a topic legitimate.

If you want to whine about flags, take it up with a mod. Your posts are not a contribution to this thread at all.

[edit on 16/7/10 by Droogie]



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by CanadianDream420
I like how UFO stories on ATS can get multiple S&F's without video/photo "evidence"...

NOT!


It's like you didn't even read the story.



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