Report: Two blasts rock Iranian city

ya know.....I have no proof of this but.....I would bet there's more than US involvement here. The UK SAS is a bass ass association of fighting men and woman. I am sure the Aussies' special forces are good along with French and German.....My guess is that you have alot of NATO forces in the area working different parts of a master plan. The US can't and wouldn't do it alone.....just saying.

Yes...good speculation there. So far the U.K., U.S,, and Israel have been mentioned. There was also reference to "other countries" in at least one of the follow-up stories I posted. Interestingly enough, the BBC was one of the only papers to not mention the fingerpointing.

Israel, U.S. behind fatal Iran suicide bombings, Iran official

I don't think the U.S. would help terrorist groups bomb Iranian mosques. It wouldn't really serve any point. If black ops were going to do anything they would be trying to get people to overthrow the Iranian govt. like back int the 50s

reply to post by SUICIDEHK45

That is exactly why they would be doing it. Have you read some of the posts and links in this thread? It's not new news that 1.) they use local operatives routinely and 2.) they have been in Iran/Pakistan this latest "go round" for quite a few years now. They being any combinations of the CIA, Mossad, and MI6.

No, it's totally the fault of the U.S. and her nasty, baby-killing covert forces and their undue influence... because, as we all know, no one inside Iran could possibly wish harm to such a well-grounded and historically peaceful secular regime

I understand that the CIA may or may not have had dealings with the Jundallah, but bombing Mosques? I think you're reaching with what may be the testimony of a private in the RG...

Facts please, then America bash... it's a process you know.

My opinion here is that Iran is not an easy project. Everyone expects the US and Israel to attack. If that's the case, why attack? Use your intelligence services to do what they are good at. Civil unrest is what you want in Iran. Overthrown the current regimen. It makes it much easier that way for the military to finally role in and "help". Military in this case would be NATO.

AS has been posted the Us gov has admitted they are in there doing what ever they can to destabilize thier government...and just like people who are arrested and denied due process by the US GOV, the US gov should get a little taste of there own medicine...oh no... there is a process...

Naw they can dish it but they can't take it.....too lame.

[edit on 16-7-2010 by Danbones]

Originally posted by Legion2112
No, it's totally the fault of the U.S. and her nasty, baby-killing covert forces and their undue influence... because, as we all know, no one inside Iran could possibly wish harm to such a well-grounded and historically peaceful secular regime

I understand that the CIA may or may not have had dealings with the Jundallah, but bombing Mosques? I think you're reaching with what may be the testimony of a private in the RG...

Facts please, then America bash... it's a process you know.

It has already been proving that US was involved with Jandullah, it was on the news.

but ofcurse, you're programmed to forget when it is the US, am I right??

Or are you programmed to not know you are programmed also??

What a wonderful world we live in.

reply to post by wdkirk

It's pretty common knowledge how the CIA/Mossad/MI6 operate. It's SOP for them to pay local operatives. Did you watch that video where they show part of the man's testimony? About being paid? Thoughts? Was it a forced statement?

reply to post by oozyism

Exactly. I guess some people just dive into threads without reading all the previous discussion.


[edit on 7/16/2010 by ~Lucidity]

The interior minister, Mostafa Mohammad Najjar, said Mr. Rigi was arrested Tuesday on a flight from Dubai to Kyrgyzstan, Press TV reported. But Al Jazeera, the satellite TV channel based in Qatar, reported from Pakistan that Mr. Rigi was arrested in Pakistan last week and handed over to Iran.

www.nytimes.com...

Al Jazeera Disagrees with Iran on where this guy was captured. So do you think Iran is lying?

"Jundallah announces to the people of Baluchestan and Iran that tonight (Thursday) two of its sons, in an unmatched operation striking at the heart of the Guards who had gathered in a mosque in Zahedan to celebrate Guards Day, were able to send more than a hundred of the Guards to hell," the group said in a statement posted on its junbish.blogspot.com... website.

www.rnw.nl...

Jundallah Says they did it. Iran says he did it with the US and Israeli help.

"Rigi's confessions prove that the United States, Zionists and some European countries are directly linked with the Zahedan blasts, because he had confessed that the U.S. wants bomb attacks to be carried out across Iran," Javani told Fars.

www.haaretz.com...

Iran also says he works with al Qa’eda.

Iranian officials also have long claimed that Mr Rigi – whose group they have linked to al Qa’eda – was hiding across the border in Pakistan and had links to that country’s intelligence services. Many analysts, however, see Jundallah as a nationalist group with local grievances which does not share Osama bin Laden’s goal of global jihad.

Pakistan, meanwhile, has said Mr Rigi was based in Afghanistan and insists it never helped Jundallah, pointing out that it had handed over several senior members of the group to Iran in recent years, including Mr Rigi’s brother, Abdolhamid, who is on death row.

www.thenational.ae.../20100224/FOREIGN/702239818/1002

Iran even says he worked with NATO? He wanted to bomb the UNODC who works with NATIO.

The terrorist leader had earlier confessed to having links with NATO officials in Afghanistan and foreign spy agencies like the CIA and Mossad.

www.presstv.ir...

The Jundallah rebel organization threatened to bomb the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime, UNODC, in Tehran to protest the February arrest of their ringleader, Abdolmalek Rigi, the Iranian Press TV’s English language website reported Monday.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com...

UNODC or United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime works with NATO who Jundallah said they wanted to bomb. So how could Iran claim they are working with NATO?
www.unodc.org...

Visit to NATO by Antonio Maria Costa, Executive Director of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC)

Heres the heads of NATO and UNODC together.

www.nato.int...

The more you look at this story the more it stinks. I think Iran just had there own Iran trained terrorist turn on them. The same way CIA Bin Laden turned on the US. So now Iran is blaming everybody they don't like for it when it is them selfs who are to blame.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by JBA2848]

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Henry Kissinger & Population
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20506
April 24, 1974
National Security Study Memorandum 200
TO: The Secretary of Defense
The Secretary of Agriculture
The Director of Central Intelligence
The Deputy Secretary of State
Administrator, Agency for International Development
SUBJECT: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and
Overseas Interests
The President has directed a study of the impact of world population growth on U.S.
security and overseas interests. The study should look forward at least until the year
2000, and use several alternative reasonable projections of population growth.
In terms of each projection, the study should assess:
- the corresponding pace of development especially in poorer countries;
- the demand for US exports, especially of food, and the trade problems the US may face
arising from competition for resources; and
- the likelihood that population growth or imbalances will produce disruptive foreign
policies and international instability.
The study should focus on the international political and economic implications of
population growth rather than its ecological, sociological or other aspects.
The study would then offer possible courses of action for the United States in dealing
with population matters abroad, particularly in developing countries, with special
attention to these questions:
- What, if any, new initiatives by the United States are needed to focus international
attention onthe population problem?
-Can technological innovations or development reduce growth or ameliorate its effects?
- Could the United States improve its assistance m the population field and if so, in what
form and through which agencies - bilateral, multilateral, private?
The study should take into account the President's concern that population policy is a
human concern intimately related to the dignity of the individual and the objective of the
United States is to work closely with others, rather than seek to impose our views on
others.
The President has directed that the study be accomplished by the NSC Under Secretaries
Committee. The Chairman, Under Secretaries Committee, is requested to forward the
study together with the Committee's action recommendations no later than May 29, 1974
for consideration by the President.
HENRY A. KISSINGER
cc: Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
Source:
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nger.htm

it all stems a lot further back and this is the main objective

Originally posted by habfan1968
for those of you condemning the US, if the CIA is sponsoring jundallah(sp?) is bad and should be answered for, the same can be said for Irans' sponsorship of terror agents in Israel. Govts. using terror agencies to further their own agendas, looks like everyone is playing now.

This is what you have:

The US government accuses Iran of sponsoring terrorism, and tells Iran how very, very naughty it is, and how it's not how civillised countries behave.

The US government then sponsors terrorism in Iran and therefore now, Iran's government accuses the US government of sponsoring terrorism, and tells the US government how very naughty it is, and how it's not how civillised countries behave.

All in all, the US government rather defeats it's own argument about why it says it's opposed to Iran's government: sponsoring terrorism and an alleged nuclear weapon programme.

Iran's government can turn around and say the same about the US and why it's opposed to the US's government: Sponsoring terrorism and having nuclear weapons.

If Iran's government sponsored a terrorist attack on an American city and it killed American citizens, the US government would feel justified to attack Iran....indeed, many Americans would support it.

So, if the US government sponsors a terrorist attack on an Iranian city and it killed Iranian citizens......see where I'm going?

The US government waging a so-called War on Terrorism, and then sponsoring terrorism, well it's rather self-defeating.

It's doublethink. Others would call it sheer lunacy.

Originally posted by SUICIDEHK45
I don't think the U.S. would help terrorist groups bomb Iranian mosques. It wouldn't really serve any point.

But it does. It's destabilising. It undermines the authority of Iran's government if they are seen to be unable to stop these bombings. They are then seen as weak, and without authority or the ability to render safe the lives of everyday Iranians.

It also says to Iran's government: We'll keep doing this until you do what we want.

It says to Iran's people: We'll keep doing this until your government does what we want, until then, you might get killed by these groups we support. But don't blame us, blame your government.

Except Iranians will simply blame the US government for sponsoring these groups, and feel their government's stance towards the US successive administrations is justified.

Originally posted by SUICIDEHK45 If black ops were going to do anything they would be trying to get people to overthrow the Iranian govt. like back int the 50s

Remember those anti-government protests last year? It was a genuine movement, but don't think the CIA could not encourage it along.

These bombings? It's Plan B. For now, Plan A: The overthrow of the Iranian government by demonstrators, failed.

reply to post by oozyism




Because it was on the news? You're really coming at me with it was on the news?

The U.S. has a history of fomenting propaganda and dissidence against the Iranian government, yes - sort of a holdover from the I.R. Revolution in 1979 (bit of a sore spot I suppose)... rumored dealings with, and funding acquired for groups such as Jundallah in the past, I admit... in this one case though:

You would have us believe the very same media that you and others like you would otherwise write off as untrustworthy, agenda driven and politically manipulated when they say that because of what is most likely a forced, televised confession from someone, these attacks are the sole responsibility of the United States - when this very same regime has at one time or another linked this organization to everyone from us to the brits to Al-Qaida to Pakistan - and I'm the one who's programmed? Oozy, we all know you think Islam is a peaceful, misunderstood religion that would better make a free society than Western democracies, but please do yourself a favor and research the history of the Sunnis and the Shiites - they're not the biggest fans of one another.

The United States has done some shady, not-so-nice things in the past, I'll admit; but in this one instance, what's more likely? The above, which from beginning to end has more plotholes than a bad movie, or maybe, just maybe, that the execution of Jundallahs leader really pissed some people off in his group and they wanted retribution?

Of course Iran's going to say that the West is responsible. Do you have any idea what would happen in that country if word filtered down to their populace, a good number of whom aren't exactly the biggest fans of their own government, that they can't even protect their own borders from people living within it? The phrase "blood in the water" comes to mind...

It's all hearsay at this point, maybe there was some involvement by outside, unseen forces, IMO probably not (at least this time) - but for you to buy this "It's entirely the fault of the U.S. and no one else" garbage without even considering the possibility that it might not shows a level of indoctrination that I don't even think I'm capable of.

Just wanted to stick this in here...

Factbox: Jundollah, Iran's Sunni Muslim rebels

Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:13am EDT

Here are some key details about Jundollah:

* Iran, which is predominantly Shi'ite, has linked Jundollah (God's Soldiers) to the Sunni Islamist al Qaeda network. It also accuses the United States of backing Jundollah in order to create instability in the country. Washington denies the charge.

* Jundollah says it is fighting for the rights of Iran's minority Sunnis. Iran rejects allegations by rights groups that it discriminates against ethnic and religious minorities.

ALLIANCES:

* Jundollah chief Abdolmalek Rigi said in a 2007 interview that his group was fighting for the rights of the Baluch people facing what he called "genocide" in Iran, but denied it harbored any separatist or radical sectarian agenda.

* Jundollah has evolved through shifting alliances with various parties, including the Taliban and Pakistan's ISI intelligence service, who saw the group as a tool against Iran, according to Lahore-based Pakistani analyst Ahmed Rashid.

ORIGINS:

* Jundollah, which also calls itself the Iranian People's Resistance Movement, was founded in 2002 and launched its armed campaign in 2005.

* Since early 2005 the group has sought to expand operations in Iran's southeastern province of Sistan-Baluchestan. It has carried out kidnappings and, more recently, suicide attacks.

* The group probably numbers fewer than 100 militants armed with explosives and small arms in Sistan-Baluchestan which borders both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

* Leader Rigi vowed to fight the Shi'ite government in Iran unless economic conditions improve in the province.

* ATTACKS:

* In June 2005, Jundollah kidnapped Revolutionary Guard officer Shahab Mansuri and sent a video of him to al-Arabiya. He was killed on July 13 and Iran blamed Jundollah.

* On December 14, 2005, an assassination attempt was carried out against President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad while on a visit to Sistan-Baluchestan. This attack was also blamed on Jundollah.

* In 2007, Jundollah claimed responsibility for several attacks. On February 14, 11 members of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards were killed in an attack on a bus in the city of Zahedan.

* In December 2008 there was a suicide attack in Saravan on a security forces headquarters. This was the first such suicide attack in Iran and was carried out by Abdul-Ghafoor Rigi, a brother of the group's leader.

* On May 28, 2009, a suicide bomber killed 25 people and wounded more than 120 in an attack on a mosque in Zahedan. Jundollah claimed responsibility for the attack.

* An October 18, 2009 bombing by the group killed 40 people. Fifteen Revolutionary Guards members were among those killed, including the deputy head of ground forces. Jundollah said it was behind the deadliest attack in Iran since the 1980s.

* On July 15 powerful bombs exploded near Zahedan's Grand Mosque scattering body parts around the holy site. At least 28 people were killed and more than 169 injured.

EXECUTIONS:

* On May 30, 2009 three men were hanged in public for involvement in the Zahedan bombing. Two more were hanged on June 2. Iran executed 13 more men accused of membership of Jundollah in July 2009.

* On November 3, 2009 Iran executed Jundollah member Abdolhamid Rigi.

* The leader's brother also called Abdolhamid was hanged in on May 24, 2010.

* The group's leader, Abdolmalek Rigi, was arrested in February 2010. Intelligence Minister Heydar Moslehi said Rigi had been in a U.S. military base 24 hours before his arrest, state-run Press TV reported. He was convicted by a Revolutionary court of various charges, including armed robbery, kidnapping, drug smuggling, assassination attempts and murder and was executed on June 20.

Sources: Reuters/Janes World Insurgency and Terrorism Link

Originally posted by harrytuttle
This makes no sense to have occurred. Why would any "Islamic terrorist" attack an Mosque? This HAS TO BE a U.S. backed Mossad false flag operation (without the flag).

Sunni wackjobs verse Shia wackjobs, same as in Iraq. Iran is finally getting a taste of its own medicine that it has applied to Israel on hundreds of occasions.

What has Iran "applied to Israel" exactly? Are you saying Iran is responsible for the suicide bombings in Israel?

There hasn't been a suicide bombing in Israel in quite a while, has there? And there have been only two minor ones on borders since the the suicide bombing truce was declared by the Palestinians late in 2006.