Twin Towers brought down by 18th Century Ship

Originally posted by Crakeur
Neither, they're Pirates of Penzance.

Worth noting that Gilbert & Sullivan were both freemasons...
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com...

The term 'conspiracy theory' has become a term which has been spun by the gansters and their media to discredit and ridicule anyone who challenges their lies.


Try replacing it with 'suspicion of corruption' and for 'conspiracy theorists' try 'those who suspect corruption' or 'those who suspect fraud'.

The language we use limits our thinking, they brainwash us with their own words to stop us thinking outside the box.

To those who ridicule 9/11 theories, I wonder if you would be so flippant if your nearest and dearest had been murdered in those towers.

See, Paul Craig Roberts

Before we yell "conspiracy theory," we should be aware that the architects, engineers, firefighters, and scientists offer no theory. They provide evidence that challenges the official theory.

This evidence is not going to go away.

If expressing doubts or reservations about the official story in the 9/11 Commission Report makes a person a conspiracy theory kook, then we have to include in this category both co-chairmen of the 9/11 Commission and the Commission's legal counsel, all of whom have written books in which they clearly acknowledge that they were lied to by Government officials when they conducted their investigation, or, rather, when they presided over the investigation conducted by the Executive Director, Philip Zelikow, a member of President George W. Bush's transition team and Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and a co-author of Bush Secretary of State Condi "Mushroom" Rice.

There will always be Americans who will believe whatever the government tells them no matter how many times they know the government has lied to them.

Despite expensive wars that threaten Social Security and Medicare, wars based on non-existent Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, non-existent Saddam Hussein connections to al Qaida, non-existent Afghan participation in the 9/11 attacks, and the non-existent Iranian nuclear weapons that are being hyped as the reason for the next American war of aggression in the Middle East, more than half of the U.S. population still believes the fantastic story that the Government has told them about 9/11, a Muslim conspiracy that outwitted the entire Western world.

Moreover, it doesn't matter to these Americans how often the Government changes its story.

For example, Americans first heard of Osama bin Laden because the Bush regime pinned the 9/11 attacks on him. Over the years video after video was served up to the gullible American public of bin Laden's pronouncements. Experts dismissed these videos as fakes, but Americans remained their gullible selves. Then suddenly last year a new 9/11 "mastermind" emerged to take bin Laden's place, the captive Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the detainee who was waterboarded 183 times until he confessed to masterminding the 9/11 attack.

In the Middle Ages confessions extracted by torture constituted evidence, but self-incrimination has been a no-no in the U.S. legal system since our founding. But with the Bush regime and the Republican federal judges, whom we were assured would defend the U.S. Constitution, the self-incrimination of Sheik Mohammed stands today as the only evidence the U.S. government has that Muslim terrorists pulled off 9/11.

If you consider the feats attributed to Khalid Sheik Mohammed, they are simply unbelievable. Sheik Mohammed is a more brilliant, capable superhero than V in the fantasy movie, "V for Vendetta". Sheik Mohammed outwitted all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies along with those of all U.S. allies or puppets, including Israel's Mossad.

No intelligence service on earth, or all of them combined, was a match for Sheik Mohammed.

Sheik Mohammed outwitted the U.S. National Security Council, Dick Cheney, the Pentagon, the State Department, NORAD, the U.S. Air Force, and Air Traffic Control. He caused Airport Security to fail four times in one morning. He caused the state-of-the-art air defenses of the Pentagon to fail, allowing a hijacked airliner, which was off course all morning while the U.S. Air Force, for the first time in history, was unable to get aloft intercepter aircraft, to crash into the Pentagon.

Sheik Mohammed was able to perform these feats with unqualified pilots.

Sheik Mohammed, even as a waterboarded detainee, has managed to prevent the Federal Bureau of Investigation from releasing the many confiscated videos that would show, according to the official story, the hijacked airliner hitting the Penagon.

How naive do you have to be to believe that any human, or for that matter Hollywood fantasy character, is this powerful and capable?

If Sheik Mohammed has these superhuman capabilities, how did the incompetent Americans catch him? This guy is a patsy tortured into confession in order to keep the American naifs believing the government's conspiracy theory.

What is going on here is that the US government has to bring the 9/11 mystery to an end. The Government must put on trial and convict a culprit so that it can close the case before it explodes. Anyone waterboarded 183 times would confess to anything.

The US government has responded to the evidence being arrayed against its outlandish 9/11 conspiracy theory by redefining the war on terror from external to internal enemies. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said on February 21 that American extremists are now as big a concern as international terrorists. Extremists, of course, are people who get in the way of the government's agenda, such as the 1,000 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

The group used to be 100, now it is 1,000. What if it becomes 10,000?

Cass Sunstein, an Obama regime official, has a solution for the 9/11 skeptics: Infiltrate them and provoke them into statements and actions that can be used to discredit or to arrest them. But get rid of them at all cost.

Why employ such extreme measures against alleged kooks if they only provide entertainment and laughs? Is the government worried that they are on to something?

Instead, why doesn't the US Government simply confront the evidence that is presented and answer it?

If the architects, engineers, firefighters, and scientists are merely kooks, it would be a simple matter to acknowledge their evidence and refute it.

Why is it necessary to infiltrate them with police agents and to set them up?

Many Americans would reply that "their" government would never even dream of killing Americans by hija

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Obvious proof that the government was planning 9/11 since the 18th century.

hijacking airliners and destroying buildings in order to advance a government agenda. But on February 3, National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair told the House Intelligence Committee that the US government can assassinate its own citizens when they are overseas. No arrest, trial, or conviction of a capital crime is necessary. Just straight out murder.

Obviously, if the US government can murder its citizens abroad it can murder them at home, and has done so. For example, 100 Branch Davidians were murdered in Waco, Texas, by the Clinton administration for no legitimate reason. The government just decided to use its power knowing that it could get away with it, which it did.

Americans who think "their" government is some kind of morally pure operation would do well to familiarize themselves with Operation Northwoods. Operation Northwoods was a plot drawn up by the US Joint Chiefs of Staff for the CIA to commit acts of terrorism in American cities and fabricate evidence blaming Castro so that the US could gain domestic and international support for regime change in Cuba. The secret plan was nixed by President John F. Kennedy and was declassified by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board.

It is available online in the National Security Archive. There are numerous online accounts available, including Wikipedia. James Bamford's book, Body of Secrets, also summarizes the plot:

"Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman [Gen. Lemnitzer] and every member of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war".

Prior to 9/11 the American neoconservatives were explicit that the wars of aggression that they intended to launch in the Middle East required "a new Pearl Harbor".

For their own good and that of the wider world, Americans need to pay attention to the growing body of experts who are telling them that the government's account of 9/11 fails their investigation. 9/11 launched the neoconservative plan for US world hegemony.

As I write, the US government is purchasing the agreement of foreign governments that border Russia to accept US missile interceptor bases. The US intends to ring Russia with US missile bases from Poland through central Europe and Kosovo to Georgia, Azerbaijan and central Asia.

US envoy Richard Holbrooke declared on February 20 2010 that al Qaida is moving into former Central Asian constituent parts of the Soviet Union, such as Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Kazakhstan. Holbrooke is soliciting US bases in these former Soviet Republics under the guise of the ever-expanding "war on terror".

The United States has already encircled Iran with military bases. The US government intends to neutralize China by seizing control over the Middle East and cutting China off from oil.

This plan assumes that Russia and China, nuclear armed states, will be intimidated by US anti-missile defenses and will acquiesce in US hegemony and that China will lack oil for its industries and military.

The US government is delusional. Russian military and political leaders have responded to the obvious threat by declaring NATO a direct threat to the security of Russia and by announcing a change in Russian war doctrine to the pre-emptive launch of nuclear weapons. The Chinese are too confident to be bullied by a washed-up American "superpower".

The morons in Washington are pushing the envelope of nuclear war.

The insane drive for American hegemony threatens life on earth. The American people, by accepting the lies and deceptions of "their" government, are facilitating this outcome.

I bet that ship has treasure in it. GOLD. HMMMM, i had sex with gold.

my guess would be.......

is there some kind of curse behind the world trace center, or some type of sacrifice to the pirates of some sort?? maybe it was bin ladens great grand parents???

because that would absolutely throw out the accusation that it was some type of ritualistic sacrifice in general to some OTHER god..... or speciffic group??

and we all know there isnt a possibility to that. haha.

maybe its just a coincidence??

I would prefer to think that those who mock the requests for a re-examination of the 9/11 tragedy are simply gullible. But, given that

- the Government has not produced ONE piece of EVIDENCE to support
its consipracy theory, and

- that the EVIDENCE produced by the group of architects, engineers, pilots, firemen, demolition experts, scientists, eye witnesses, aviation experts, government officials is valid and beyond doubt relevant and significant.

I can only conclude that the people who mock and laugh at this situation don't give a damn about truth, don't give a damn about those who were murdered, don't give a damn about the victims' families, don't give a damn about those survivors who remain traumatised, don't give a damn about the troops that have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, don't give a damn about the thousands of innocent civilians who were murdered in their own countries.

They don't give a damn because, self-obsessed as they are, it hasn't impacted on their own little, deluded lives - YET. For now all is well in the world because they can still sit and lose their little minds in the Hollywood garbage they love and get much more excited about the things that really matter - like who is divorcing who or whether Brad Pitt has grown beard.

But when it does impact on them, and it will, they will be the first ones to scream and shout foul, and expect others to take THEIR suffering seriously and help THEM.












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It's rare we get to laugh around ATS so thanks to the mods for letting this one stay, or not moving it to the depths of BTS where it will most likely get lost.

Nano-termites, man, that is priceless.

So one of the WTC employees was using a cafeteria Spork to tunnel a hole to this ship discovery he had made. Bin Laden caught wind of it. Proceeded to send a email to Bush who then contact his military counter parts and told them "there may be treasure on this here ship now you know." So they devised this plan informing Bin Laden to go into hiding as they would put the blame on him and share some of the riches?

My attempt at comedy I fail.

Just so you are prepared:

Top Clinton Official: Only a terror attack can save Obama

www.propagandamatrix.com...

Bilderberger Shapiro says President needs new OKC or 9/11 as a way of "demonstrating that he is a leader" before November elections and reversing plunging approval numbers.


Wonder what they'll come up with this time.

I can imagine them scheming -

"You want a terrorist attack? No problem, we can do that (wink). I know just the people (wink, chuckle) Okay, here's what we'll do. How about we set off a couple of bombs in Iran.....near a mosque.... yeh, that'll get 'em really mad.

Then we'll create a couple of reprisal attacks over here. No problem we can do that (wink, chuckle) Haven't we got some nukes in some suitcases somewhere?
Yeh, great. We'll get the TV to pump the story that it's Iranian reprisals. So we blame Iran, and that means we'll be able to prove that Iran has nukes. And hey, as a bonus we get rid of a few thousand more sheeple. Guys, I gotta say this plan is shaping up nicely.

See Barry, No worries, we'll get you back in - we'll need a few million of course - er, in my personal account I think - best way to keep it secret - national security, an'all.

Hey man, Barry, after this you go straight into Iran, really show your leadership, eh! This is your moment of glory, man, Ha ha! And, yeh, the money will come rolling in again, you know, that'll keep you-know-who off your back. Arms deals, praise be to Lucifer (makes the goat sign) And if we hit the right place for the terrorist attacks over here, we can dump some shares beforehand - no reason not to take the opportunity for a little extra pocket money, eh?

Man, do we have a PLAN! Gimme five guys!"

OK, I'll get onto Warner Bros and get them to write up the scripts. Now, what's a good date...










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Originally posted by Spiro

Originally posted by JoshNorton
from www.guardian.co.uk...

Proof that it was a boat, not planes, that brought down the towers! Ok, maybe not proof exactly, but just as good as any thing else covered on ATS, right?

Greetings OP,

Im confused with your title and indeed your note above^. It seems your saying the Twin Towers WAS brought down by an 18th century boat? Nothing in the link you provided says anything to do with that?

Seriously though, as one member pointed out, let the madness begin, because that is just madness to think of that, seriously!!!

Be safe and be well,

Spiro

It's just like Glenn Beck writing a book called "The Overton Window" when in fact, it is Glenn Beck who is pushing the ranting and nonsense that he disparages.

The only thing Stranger than an 18th century sailing ship is the Pro-Bush Government Theory about two airplanes getting three buildings and of course "The Chewbacca Defense."

What does Chewbacca have to do with 9/11? Nothing -- and that's why this whole alleged 9.11 Conspiracy theory makes no sense allegedly.

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I don't buy your reply.

You didn't mention any Nano-Termites. At least I'll post this cool nifty picture of one.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4b464a712af4.gif[/atsimg]


Your reply has no laser beams, Holographic planes, No 18th century boat nor any cross dressing transsexual, homophobic time traveling midgets. And you call yourself a conspiracist?

HA!
Turn in your foil hat!
You're done.


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Seriously tho , upon further examination , I have come to the conclusion that there is no way that ship could have traveled at speeds fast enough to propell itself thirty feet below the surface of the ground .

And , my sources tell me that the captain of this ship had never sailed a ship of this size before , that he could barely operate a rowboat .

And , there are thousands of ship captains on record as saying that the feat would be impossible , and they couldn't do it themselves . Their concensus is that it was a government ship , disguised to look like the real ship , and that it was remotely piloted .

Unconfirmed reports are coming in that there is some sort of pod attached to the bow .

However , I've been told that an eyepatch has been found in the wreckage , thereby confirming that it was terrorist pirates who navigated the ship .

Still , I'm not convinced , because steel and concrete skyscrapers have never been brought down by a ship before .

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Okay , that one gets you put on my list of friends !

Wow laggy connection.
Triple post my connections bad.


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See your making up scenarios with no proof to back them up like attributin the bombing in Iran to Obama getting reelected, is what makes it so fun to make up things like Nano-Termites. There really is no difference from our make belief scenarios than yours, other than ours happen to be funny.

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Pretty cool that we can find stuff like this even in a nation so young as the US.

Originally posted by ZuluChaka
I wonder if the ship was driven by that
Disney Pirate that is like a gay
Keith Richards? Whats his name?

You mean Blackbeard's ghost?



That's the Great Peter Ustinov. Didn't know he was gay, though.

Harte

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Landfills are notoriously unstable building sites. They shift over time when bearing a load.

The Twin Towers was an incredible load to build on a landfill I'd think. I wonder how much it shifted in its life.

They just put in some new houses near mine. When they went to dig to put in the foundations, they found an old landfill. They had to shut down and come back the next year to remove the whole thing. They dug a giant deep trench. City Engineers were over there checking constantly to be sure they eliminated the whole landfill. This is because of stringent earthquake codes.

Getting hit by an airliner is a bit like a quake. I wonder how much the ground shifted, because of the landfill, after the building was hit? Makes you go hmmmm? One giant lever with the other end secured to a landfill?

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