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Welcome to the Unpossible Future... The AGI Manhattan Project

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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 10:35 PM
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I'm a solid state host-body addict.

My university major was Cognitive Science specializing in Artificial Intelligence.
Yes I'd like to talk about some of the Civilian AGI research taking place.

The current leader of independent AGI research is Ben Goertzel. www.agiri.org...
Here is a video about Ben talking about Open Source (you're free to modify) AGI.

www.opencog.org...

The Singularity movement is founded by Ray Kurzweil.
Who talks much about exponential growth trends.

www.kurzweilai.net...

Also the Singularity Institute is a company of various civilian singularity supporters.
singinst.org...

Personally I'm working on Human Speakable Programming Language Huspol.
lokiworld.org...

In terms of what's happening "behind the scenes".

Robots with abilities like that of terminator are already available.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Though my main field of inquiry is the psychic and spiritual aspects.
Such as incarnating into solid-state host-bodies.

Imagine if we have lots of high-level robot host-bodies available.
You can incarnate into one in your next life.

You can upload your memories from this host-body,
so that you'll be able to build upon what you learned.

The Heather material does use "usb-sticks" to upload data into the robots.

The question isn't, "is it available?".
The question is, "when can you use it?"

So feel free to support artificial general intelligence.
Remember you can incarnate as one. :-D

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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 10:41 PM
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You're still completely avoiding the issues of the tyrannical oligarchy that is the overarching point here. By doing so you're ensuring the total tyrannical oppression of literally billions of people. Can you live with that?

The fight today is against the oligarchy. Stop them and then humanity sort out what to do or not with the technology together.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
reply to post by Wertdagf
 


You're still completely avoiding the issues of the tyrannical oligarchy that is the overarching point here. By doing so you're ensuring the total tyrannical oppression of literally billions of people. Can you live with that?

The fight today is against the oligarchy. Stop them and then humanity sort out what to do or not with the technology together.


The only way to do so.
Is so to create an alternative way of doing things.

Such as having atom-tribes,
which are self-sufficient so environmentally friendly,
and replicating so resilient and adaptive to change.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 10:51 PM
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In regards to down with the tyrants...sure...who wouldn't be with that meme...but its such a empty slogan.
its like saying, down with evil...but you know what, who is actually evil...who is the tyrants...the guy whom went to school to be a stock broker, became one, and enjoys making money?
The elected representitive of any particular year?
The CEO of a successful corporation?

There is no easily identifiable tyrant whom is easily identifiable, unless you want to start shooting at random IT guys because they work with the scary computer machine...and then shoot anyone trying to invent new things, then kill ourselves because by purchasing a computer we fuel demand for better processing and technology...etc

Empty slogans do little for me...yay...down with tyrants...and evil...and bad feelings...and jerks...and etc...like saying Fight Satan, but never really sure who or what form Satan will be in.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 10:53 PM
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Its my personal belief, if we ever want to truely progress as a society, we need to drop the idea of a secret government, a shadow power base, etc...and start taking responsibility towards why crappy things happen.

The illuminati, the nwo, etc...all of that is just a intellectual version of "the devil". It allows us to not have to blame ourselves for things that go wrong and instead, point at the shadows and blame the invisible men.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
..There is no easily identifiable tyrant whom is easily identifiable..like saying Fight Satan, but never really sure who or what form Satan will be in...


He's the one who wants to kill you or corrupt you.

I know one form Satan has taken. It's you.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by alpha chino

Originally posted by SaturnFX
..There is no easily identifiable tyrant whom is easily identifiable..like saying Fight Satan, but never really sure who or what form Satan will be in...


He's the one who wants to kill you or corrupt you.

I know one form Satan has taken. It's you.


Ya.
Isn't being Satan fun?
It's the best.
Get to do whatever you want.
It's an atheists everyday life expectancy.

Anyhow, there is prime-creator.
The realm of cold darkness,
where nothing be.
0000000000000000000
mother

Then there is all-creator,
the bright white heat,
it be infinity.
1111111111111111111
father

We with you,
are in between.
0010111011101010101
me



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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Originally posted by IntelligenceGathering
I see what you mean by saying that this MUST be the next step in human evolution, in attempting to improve upon "god's" design, but I call foul play. I believe this to be the ultimate perversion, the ultimate doom of man. To take away what makes us as special and unique as each individual snowflake is to die while still live. We are meant to evolve not as terminators and t1000's with transistors, batteries, and quantum computers, but as being of life leaving this three-dimensional shell for the next phase of existence.

To improve upon god's design in this way is only going to further the illusion of separation, this illusion that the spirit within hold's no sway over our physical shell. The next phase of human evolution MUST be of spirit, into the unseen world made flesh and blood before you, as you yourself ARE.



Well said


As far as the tech's are concerned, a major issue I have with radical life extension is that the goal is to live indefinite lifespans (like 1000's of years). This inherently creates a population crisis, which means population will have to limited and reduced.

What this does is attempt to break the cycle of life, which in itself could be the most evil thing ever proposed when you look at how the world and life works: preventing future lives from the experience of life so you can self-perpetuate your own.

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You mean like this?

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Is that the self-perpetuation you are talking about?

Peace



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Its my personal belief, if we ever want to truely progress as a society, we need to drop the idea of a secret government, a shadow power base, etc...and start taking responsibility towards why crappy things happen.

The illuminati, the nwo, etc...all of that is just a intellectual version of "the devil". It allows us to not have to blame ourselves for things that go wrong and instead, point at the shadows and blame the invisible men.


You may be right to a point. I mean, Alex Jones is an example of the idea being adulterated beyond credibility.

However, you are still left with things like Air America, and other clandestine ops in places like Colombia, Nicaragua, Panama, and Costa Rica. So as to not make it too easy to identify, i will just say that i "know someone" who was an Army medic. Soldiers, especially special ops, are valuable assets to the military. When they go on missions, they have a medic with them. This person was one such medic. He served in Desert Storm, conducted missions in Iran while over there, and has been on several missions to secure narcotic yielding crops in places like Costa Rica.

Of course, there is also the whole DeRothschild thing, not to mention the emerging barrons. The new commodity that has exploded: Information. If you are an owner of large datastores, you have inherent value with continuing returns. But when taken a step further, that information has more than just inherent value. It has an ability to be manipulated to enable someone to control a system.

And information is what ties this all together. "Intelligence" operations are the prime consumers of information, and i would be my life that the CIA (or some other unknown group) has every piece of information that is available, even if it is via backdoors created to give them this access (possibly under the guise of "national security").

If there is not wizard behind the curtain, who is doing all of this? It seems that there are, indeed, clandestine groups committing nefarious acts. Whether it is a concerted "shadow government" is unknown.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
If there is not wizard behind the curtain, who is doing all of this?

me me me!
I'm a wizard behind a curtain.

Well I'm a wizard, I cast magic spells.
Also I have curtains in my apartment.

I'm having a great time,
since everything is going my way.

Ya, I even make clay tablet magic spells.
Fire them up, to really set things in stone.



It seems that there are, indeed,
clandestine groups committing nefarious acts.
Whether it is a concerted "shadow government" is unknown.

Eh, well, there are lots of people casting.
We with you, make this cauldron porridge soup we call life.

[edit on 15-7-2010 by lowki]



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:26 PM
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This is a really scary thread. And most of it is way over my head.

So, in reality, there's no such thing as science fiction?!



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by sodakota
This is a really scary thread. And most of it is way over my head.

So, in reality, there's no such thing as science fiction?!


All that can be imagined exists.

Movies are models of something imagined.
Typically humans aren't all that original,
so base their imagination on what they experience.
Might be a mental experience, like a past life memory.

"fiction" can occur, in terms of re-arranging words,
in order to make new sentences.
Though really that's a magic spell,
so tends to manifest what it says.

A person reading it,
that makes "sense" of it,
conceives that notion,
note conceive is like giving birth to.

Anyhow basically.
if you just spell out what you wish for.
It will come true.

Just careful,
and remeber you can always make a new spell.
Have a bunch of safety spells like.

"the people I tribe be safe and happy,
living lives of stability and health,
creativity and enjoyment,
and fulfilling chakras."

mind sensed blonde-girl in jean jacket "what do chakra's have to do with it?"
Chakras have everything to do with it.
They are the different energy centers of the spiritual being.
The trunk (body) lives, to provide root nutrients to the leaves (mind-chakras).
As the leaves (inspiration, vision, ambition) provide energy to the trunk (body).


we with you can mind-sense the future, the past, and infinite potential.


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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:44 PM
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Turn it all off, meaning pull the energy plug of oil, and in turn all these points become moot.

Get out and learn how to do something real.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by New.dawn0fman
Turn it all off, meaning pull the energy plug of oil, and in turn all these points become moot.


Renewable energy sources my friends.
Sun, wind, wave, geothermal.
All quite available.

Oxyhydrogen from water as energy storage.

With atom-tribes.
And a fab-lab can produce any product,
including new robot host bodies.
or "avatars", can keep your main memory banks at home.
And take out a robot body to go on adventures.

We already do that, as our documents and computer hard-drives are in our home.
We however do use our main host-body vehicle to go outside.
Soul transfer can be quite a nifty thing.

One of the purposes of Huspol (human speakable programming language),
is to have an interface language a soul could use,
for things like typing in passwords or what not,
for host-body privacy.
Also for remote articulation with droids,
and communicating with spiritual beings.

Though we might want to make some kind of sensory mesh.
as the soul can sense and modify electromagnetic fields,
we'd probably want to make something easy to transfer into.



Get out and learn how to do something real.


It is real.
We've agreed upon it.
Many people have in any case.

I do forest gardening,
computer programming,
floating marine structure design,
and atom-tribe community building.


[edit on 15-7-2010 by lowki]



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:56 PM
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Sir,

If gasoline, google, government, and electricity were all removed in this instant, could you maintain your health and the health and safety of those closest to you, be they family, friends or tribe?

This is my meaning.

It sounds like you could, and that is good to know.



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by New.dawn0fman
reply to post by lowki
 


Sir,

If gasoline, google, government, and electricity were all removed in this instant, could you maintain your health and the health and safety of those closest to you, be they family, friends or tribe?

This is my meaning.

It sounds like you could, and that is good to know.



I may not be able to.....but I am ablet o defend what is mine. And if it came to it, take what is yours.

I think that is far more valuable than anything else, right? LOL



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:05 AM
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Originally posted by New.dawn0fman
reply to post by lowki
 


Sir,

If gasoline, google, government, and electricity were all removed in this instant, could you maintain your health and the health and safety of those closest to you, be they family, friends or tribe?

This is my meaning.

It sounds like you could, and that is good to know.


Yep you are correct.
Really could.

I forage from nature on a regular basis.
I've had cattails, mulberries, spicy carrots, vetch, strawberries.
Have some potatoes growing,
got some carrot, radish and buckwheat seed in the mail today,
will seed-ball plant them next week.

Am getting picked up to go back country camping in about 10 hours.
Will be helping to mark the trail for our yearly gathering.


[edit on 16-7-2010 by lowki]



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:09 AM
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Sir,

As you've said, you might not be able to, without taking.

v/r



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:14 AM
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Could you do me a favor and actually read the OP? Then you'd be a lot more useful here. Thanks.



posted on Jul, 16 2010 @ 12:18 AM
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Hey all folks, read this :

Why the future doesn't need us, Our most powerful 21st-century technologies - robotics, genetic engineering, and nanotech - are threatening to make humans an endangered species.

Reducing long-term catastrophic risks from artificial intelligence. Singinst for AI.


I repeat one more time : the ultimate technology is biology : you should stop playing with mechanoid.

"Resistance is futile" even for you job : you are useless : we all are, useless.

If somebody speaks about technology when in fact he is adected to technology, blinded with technology : treat him as a junky !

These junky have not a part of their brain understanding politics, and PEOPLE. THey don't care : they think "technology is neutral" "it will save us all" : it will not save humanity from herself ! The self is allways complexe : there is a lot of political level, even in your self.

And one more book :

Accelerando

or read the plot : Plot summary and breakdown by story
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[edit on 16-7-2010 by psychederic]



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