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Justice: Sanctuary cities safe from law

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posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 08:23 PM
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Arizona's policy 'actually interferes'

The Obama administration said this week that there is no reason to sue so-called sanctuary cities for refusing to cooperate with federal authorities, whereas Arizona's new immigration law was singled out because it "actively interferes" with enforcement.

"There is a big difference between a state or locality saying they are not going to use their resources to enforce a federal law, as so-called sanctuary cities have done, and a state passing its own immigration policy that actively interferes with federal law," Tracy Schmaler, a spokeswoman for Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., told The Washington Times. "That's what Arizona did in this case."

But the author of the 1996 federal law that requires states and localities to cooperate says the administration is misreading it, and says drawing a distinction between sanctuary cities and Arizona is "flimsy justification" for suing the state.

"For the Justice Department to suggest that they won't take action against those who passively violate the law --who fail to comply with the law -- is absurd," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the ranking Republican on the House Judiciary Committee and chief author of the 1996 immigration law. "Will they ignore individuals who fail to pay taxes? Will they ignore banking laws that require disclosure of transactions over $10,000? Of course not."

Officials in Arizona say they've been unfairly singled out by President Obama and Mr. Holder, who last week sued to overturn Arizona's law, arguing it could lead to a patchwork of state laws.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer said cities that refuse to cooperate with federal authorities on illegal immigration --commonly called sanctuary cities -- are just as guilty of creating a patchwork, and violate the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996.

And Mr. Smith said the administration doesn't appear to understand that law, which requires localities to share information on illegal immigrants with federal authorities.

"The White House is just plain wrong on the premise since the Arizona law mirrors federal law - it does not 'interfere' with it," he said.

The Arizona law, which goes into effect July 29 unless a court blocks it, requires authorities to inquire about the legal status of anyone they detain who they have reasonable suspicion might be in the country illegally. The law as amended specifically prohibits using race or ethnicity as a reason for suspicion.

Messages left with Mrs. Brewer's office Wednesday were not returned, but in her statement after the lawsuit was filed, she said Arizona was being targeted.
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posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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So, let me see if I understand their way of thinking or at least what they are suggesting to us the Law Abiding Citizens Tax Payers and Voters.

You can break the law if your an illegal or some one hiding illegals from lawful prosecution for entering our Country and stealing Indefinites of lawful citizens and out driver a car with out insurance or getting a speeding ticket, HELL, They can't Do Anything Wrong in this Administration,,, BUT YOU!

Your a Racist, KKKA ( Klu Klux Klan American )member for just specking out about the injustice of these practices by the Obama Administration.

So, all you Racist, KKKA members remember, it's a crime to be an American and be Law Abiding and Love Our Country.

Remember the VOTE and remember Nov. 2012 is the day of Liberation from tyranny and Socialism and Illegals Running Your Life For You!


[edit on 14-7-2010 by guohua]



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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Kinda like those damn lawbreakers on the Underground Railroad eh? Funny how they were breaking federal law too.

I think your problem is you can't just get everyone to go harass Mexicans. Well, maybe, just maybe, not everyone wants to go harass Mexicans.

Maybe, just maybe, unlike AZ, some cities understand human rights.

But go ahead, keep on distributing your map to brown people at Home Depot. Let me ask you a question though, did you give that same map to any black people? Or do you have one made up that has a map of Africa on it?

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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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Im sorry but that is a dumb argument. Being in this country illegally is breaking the law. No matter if they are Mexian, Asian, whatever. The fact is, the vast majority of ILLEGAL immigrants in Arizona are Mexican. Its a fact. Get over it.

If they are allowed to skate federal law and get away with it, then perhaps every other LEGAL citizen of Arizona should be able to NOT pay federal taxes anymore and get away with it. What's the difference? They are both federal laws are they not?

Every time there is defense of enforcing the LAW someone has to jump up and scream "Racism". Its a stupid argument when we are taking simply about RIGHT vs WRONG. LEGAL vs ILLEGAL.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:00 AM
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So, just to be clear.

If a state decides to help enforce Federal Immigration law, that's not OK.

But if a city decides to ignore Federal Immigration and even refuses to cooperate with Immigration agents, that is OK.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:05 AM
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That same thing was probably argued about back during the time of the Underground Railroad too.

I know, it pisses you all off that brown people that speak Spanish are in your white country. I am sure that you avoid the Ghetto for the exact same reason.

But sure, go ahead, stop paying taxes, what do I care? You aren't hurting me by not paying taxes, hell, I pay taxes, do I give a crap? The answer is no.

I was talking about sanctuary cities, those cities that have decided that these people, these HUMAN BEINGS, deserve the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The OP is OBSESSED with this subject, hell, nearly EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS THREADS IS ABOUT ILLEGALS.

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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:11 AM
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Your right, American citizens have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. However, they are NOT American citizens.

If someone comes into your house, and decides it is better than their house, do they have the right to just stay? They start eating all your food, watching your TV, driving your car. Are the automatically afforded that right just because your stuff is better than the stuff they had?



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:15 AM
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Your right, American citizens have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. However, they are NOT American citizens.


They want to be, and isn't that the point of America? The land of Opportunity? You know, they put a big statue in New York that welcomes just these kinds of people?


If someone comes into your house, and decides it is better than their house, do they have the right to just stay? They start eating all your food, watching your TV, driving your car. Are the automatically afforded that right just because your stuff is better than the stuff they had?


Is that the problem? Are Arizonians being forced out of their homes by roving gangs of illegals who are doing home invasions? Last I checked that's not the issue, the issue is that these people exist at all.

I know AZ wants to be the whitest state to be around which judging by the sunburn I got when I was last there is completely laughable.

So why whine about Sanctuary cities? If it gets rid of the illegals out of your backyard then why do you care? Send all those awful terrible Latinos to the Sanctuary cities and let it be their problem.


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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:23 AM
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It was a metaphor and you completely missed the point. The 'home' was referring to America.

America WAS the land of opportunity. In case you haven't noticed peoples lives are being obliterated. Citizens of THIS country. And yet every year we spend BILLIONS dealing with illegal immigration.

A quote:



On the Statue of Liberty it says "give me your tired your hungry, your poor..." well it's Americans who are tired and hungry and poor, and I say until you take care of that, close the f***ing book! 'Cause we're losing, we're losing our right to pursue our destiny, we're losing our freedom, so that a bunch of f***ing foreigners can come in here and exploit our country! And this isn't something that's going on far away, this isn't something that's happening places we cant do anything about it, it's happening right here, right in our neighborhood



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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Hell, we spend billions on war, we spend billions on all sorts of bull crap. Why should we care about billions spent on illegals?

Hell, we give more to Israel.

What I am really interested in knowing is, why does the OP make an illegal immigrant hate fest thread nearly every day?

What agenda is this? Why hate on illegals so thoroughly when stormfront probably would be much more accepting of this thinly veiled racism?

[edit on 7/15/2010 by whatukno]



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:34 AM
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Well... I'm 100% in agreement with you there. I guess you can call me an isolationist. I think we should pull all troops back to the US, stop giving financial aid to Israel (they don't need our money) and close the damn borders. Once America is fixed.. then we can welcome immigrants with open arms. But right now, America as a country is falling to pieces. Infrastructure is falling apart, schools are closing down. We can't afford to keep police officers on the street, people are losing their homes daily.

There is no hope.. no "American Dream" right now. And until we fix that, how can we be expected to welcome people here?



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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how can we be expected to welcome people here?


Ah, Isolationism, how interesting. But what if we get rid of the guy that can help to fix the economy via a simple invention that creates jobs and does something spectacular, just because they are from another country, if we did that, then we wouldn't have the Atomic Bomb.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:42 AM
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Well.. unfortunately I'm of the belief that the economy is too far gone to be fixed. TPTB have utterly raped America of everything. It's only a matter of time before the walls come crashing down anyway.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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Then why give a crap anyway? If it's all over, and all going to end anyway, why give a crap if some people come and join the party?

Believe me, Mexicans know how to party.

And if it is the end of America as you know it, it's not the end of the world, another country will rise up out of the ashes, maybe several countries, then you and all the closet racists can start your own country, keep everyone but the whitest bluest eyed blondest people out.



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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:52 AM
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You know.. our discussion was going fine until you decide to call me a closet racist. I am not insulted by that however. Everyone fears being labeled a racist. Yet the truth is, everyone IS a racist. Everyone.

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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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I'm not a racist, I am just an ass, I am perfectly comfortable being a complete ass.

I just can tell racists a mile away, sure you might not be the classic racist, I am sure that you probably don't go to clan rallies, probably don't have an 88 tattooed on you.

But this illegal immigration bull crap, isn't about the fact that these people came here illegally, it's because they are brown, and speak Spanish, no one would care if they were Canadians.

And yes, there are cities out there that don't fall into this garbage of they are brown and don't speak English so they must be bad people crap.

And I go with my original statement that these Sanctuary Cities are akin to places along the Underground Railroad, where persecuted people can run to to escape from people that would do them harm.

[edit on 7/15/2010 by whatukno]



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 06:17 PM
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How about this today? Critics Question Why Obama Administration Doesn't Crack Down on Sanctuary Cities.
Sanctuary cities are not a new idea. They've been around for decades and no administration -- Democrat of Republican -- has really gone after them.

But the Obama administration is going after Arizona for its new law that permits officers to ask about a person's immigration status during the course of other law enforcement duties, such as a traffic stops. Opponents say the law promotes racial profiling and is unconstitutional. But supporters deny those charges.

"The Arizona law is in compliance with federal law," said Rosemary Jenks, director of government relations at Numbers USA. "The Justice Department should stay out of it. They should be encouraging Arizona to be enforcing the laws. Secondly, they should be enforcing federal immigration law, which means challenging cities and states that have sanctuary policies."

The Justice Department sees it differently, saying Arizona is unconstitutionally interfering with the federal government's role in immigration control.

"There is a big difference between a state or locality saying they are not going to use their resources to enforce a federal law, as so-called sanctuary cities have done, and a state passing its own immigration policy that actively interferes with federal law," Justice spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said.

But to those who support the Arizona law and oppose the idea of sanctuary cities, that seems like a cop-out.

"The administration has shown again and again it has no intention of enforcing federal immigration laws," Jenks said.
I still think it is the same old story, the Democrats what to keep the Brown Man Down and Dependent On Them For Every Thing.
A New Voting Base.

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posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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If someone comes into your house, and decides it is better than their house, do they have the right to just stay? They start eating all your food, watching your TV, driving your car. Are the automatically afforded that right just because your stuff is better than the stuff they had?




Is that the problem? Are Arizonians being forced out of their homes by roving gangs of illegals who are doing home invasions? Last I checked that's not the issue, the issue is that these people exist at all.


Didn't you get that this a euphemism? Nobody is being driven out of their homes. But the euphemism is correct. The ILLEGALS are here ILLEGALLY and getting free drivers licenses, free healthcare, free stuff AND many of them aren't paying taxes. How could you not see that a society can only sustain a certain level of parasitism before everyone suffers. Just like California and their social programs that gave away the farm. Now they are in deep trouble.
I would be just as upset if they were canadians leaching off of our system. I actually want more latinos in the US because their women are so hot! I just want LEGAL ones that contribute TAXES.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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actualy montana is the "whitest state around" 98.7% white(might be a few points off) i think why people are pissed off is that illegals think they can come in and just get the free treatment when tens of thousands of other legal immigrants paied for it went to the classes and did it all the CORRECT way and legal way to enter this country we dont care that there mexican black white asian or even australian we care that they are ILLEGAL,if you said your neighbor could have some apples from your tree and that that was fine with you how would you feel if he started takeing your apples and selling them to his neighbors and makeing a profit off your hard work and effort im tired of people thinking its our job as a country to feed every one clothe every one clean up after every one elses disasters and bleed our self econmicly dry to care for every one else i find it funny that usualy the people bitching and complaining about America being the world police are the same ones that expect us to feed the world and care for every one

if they want a better life why don't they clean up there own country why dont they do something to FIX instead of making parts of our country a war zone

when the feds case collapses and sb 1070 stands ill make sure to send ya a message and get your take on it

its not racist but feel free to call me so(50% LEGAL Hispanic,the rest is European mutt)illegal aliens aren't citizens they should not be provided the protections of our constitution they should be deported and if they come back TAGGED and deported and if they are caught a 3rd time given the death penalty as some states have 3 strikes laws 3 strikes and your out of this LIFE and existence

more people support the law then are oposed the polls prove that the states rallying behind az prove that hell even the mormans are doing something about it and we the voters wiill remind the nation and our politicans of that with our votes come november against illegals or out of office



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 07:54 PM
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how much is obama paying you for this? i mean come on illegal immigration is completely different from SLAVE labor even if they dont get fare wages there still being paied thats like saying it was ok to have slaves just cuz we fed them sanctuary citys are just setting themselves up for the incoming la raza invasion and how in ur later posts u draw the fact that if we had allowed any one to come in freely we wouldnt have devloped the atom bomb is abosloute rubbish if WE the usa hadn't invented it the Germans would have and we all know what there policy's on immigration would have looked like seriously HOW MUCH ARE YOU GETTING PAIED FOR THIS!!!



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