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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
All too often I see remarks lodged against atheists in general. Very rarely do I find anyone asking an atheist for opinions and facts about their non-beliefs.
Perhaps I can help clear up any misunderstandings or incorrect assumptions you may have about people without beliefs. This can only help, as an overwhelming majority of negative comments about atheists and atheism are tragically incorrect.
Feel free to ask anything. Thanks for your time and have a great day.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by ptmckiou
These are just a few books by physicists studying the quantum world and how it ties to the Soul and a higher source in the universe..which many would call God. At some point...don't be too surprised if our scientist prove their is an "intelligent energy"...which means they have found God.
Such books are a typical fad employed by charlatans who exploit the mysteries of quantum physics to usher in any manner of metaphysical and pseudoscientific new age nonsense they choose to dream up. To date there remains no evidence of souls or gods and those who blind others with science to pass off these concepts are frauds. New age ideology/theology is just as abhorrent as ancient theologies.
Excuse me? A Nobel Peace Prize winner in Physics is a charlatan? People also thought at one time the study of unseen living entities, too small to be seen by the naked eye, that cause disease to be witchcraft/metaphysical and a pseudoscience. However, as our technology progressed bacteria and viruses were proven.
Let me give you a new concept of God to think about. God is not a separate being that casts judgment on the world. Everything in the universe...ALL this is... is God. There is nothing but God. WE are God...collectively. WE are all chips off the ole block. When God (intelligent energy) subdivided himself in the big bang, splinters of energy went out in the universe and that energy is inside you...inside everything. When you die, that energy still exists. You can't kill energy. Collectively, all the energy in the universe is God, and consequently, you are a co-creator of your reality. That energy exists on various dimensions and since it is not in the 3rd dimension a body is not needed. Why do we incarnate? To experience that which we already know. To all omni-potent, all wise, to know all... is different from experience. To know everything there is to know to be an astronaut, is different from experiencing being an astronaut. Experiencing in a 3D form allows for an infinite amount of variables to exist in your experience, thereby gaining knowledge in an infinitely possible structure for learning. We are conduits for learning more of what we already know (in the other dimensional planes) through experience. When we "die" we shed the 3D vessel that housed our energy and we go back to the other dimensional existence where a body is not needed. Collectively, WE are God. Looking into the eyes of another is only YOU staring back at yourself. All Is One. Consequently, the idea of "judgment" and a heaven and hell is a moot point. There is no judgment when you "die" from the 3D form, except you judging yourself....whether you accomplished in that life those things that you wanted to experience to gain more knowledge.
Another way of putting it--living in a all perfect world (some call heaven) in another dimension does not afford you the knowledge of "bad" things as a reference towards "good". The 3D world allows you to experience "bad"...so you can see how "good" really is. If you only ate your favorite food...let's say filet mignon, your entire life...nothing else, morning, noon, and night...you would have no comparison, thereby how would you know mignon was good? You would have the concept...but experiencing something worse than filet mignon, gives you the actual knowledge of just how good it really is. It's no different than what we are doing here in 3D form on the earth (or any other planet).
[edit on 15-7-2010 by ptmckiou]
Evidence supporting any religious claims
Then you can make any non-falsifiable and unsupportable claim and believe in its validity. Anything goes under this premise.
The standards of evidence are not relative. There either is evidence or not.
It's fairly clear that non-belief is not a belief. Beliefs are formed when you have hypotheses you cannot prove. That tends to be the province of theists.
Beliefs are formed when you have hypotheses you cannot prove.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by Romans 10:9
Could you please define 'some'?
I am curious as to what you have read that you find remarkably unconvincing.
Thanks.
With all due respect I have no interest in indulging Lewis' arguments and listing my objections. This is roughly akin to me describing all the potential mates I rejected before I chose my wife and explaining the purpose for rejecting the others.
However, if there's some apologetic point you find particularly irrefutable I'd have no problem providing my opinion on it.
[edit on 15-7-2010 by traditionaldrummer]
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by pepsi78
I guess some people don't see it, should I be upset by it ?
Think of it like this, all the great minds history provided beilived in a higher being, into god. It's not logical to assume that there is nothing, it is absurde to think in this sort of manner.
Plenty of great minds did and do believe in gods. The appeal to authority is irrelevant. Only evidence of these higher beings or gods is relevant.
Atheists do not necessarily presume "there is nothing". They simply see no logic in forming a belief in deities without evidence.
Originally posted by ptmckiou
Excuse me? A Nobel Peace Prize winner in Physics is a charlatan?
Let me give you a new concept of God to think about.
Originally posted by dominicus
What if proof for the existence of God required you to sit in meditation for 5 years and you haven't done so yet?
Of course they are! One atheist I spoke with literally told me the proof he needs is he needs to see God with his own eyes, Another one told me, he's willing to wait and see what happens at death. A different one argued that if the theoretical premise holds that it would require 5 years of meditation to finally experience God, and since he hadn't done so, then he would have to give it a try himself to test the premise.
Ok, prove to my old man, who lives in Europe, that you exist! Right now, for all he knows, there is no such thing as you. So he believes that you dont exist and to him its true.
SO you are saying you can prove that the hypothesis of Atheism is true? Because from where I'm standing, it sure does look like a hypothesis you cannot prove.
Originally posted by Romans 10:9
I see things in an objective self evident light.
Originally posted by LightFantastic
Question: Do you think you would believe in a diety if you grew up with a few other people on a desert island with no external knowledge? Theists can answer this one too.
Originally posted by 547000
What do you think "you" are?
Are you the energy running through your brain, or are you the brain itself?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Perhaps I can help clear up any misunderstandings or incorrect assumptions you may have about people without beliefs. This can only help, as an overwhelming majority of negative comments about atheists and atheism are tragically incorrect.
Feel free to ask anything. Thanks for your time and have a great day.
Originally posted by 547000
Also, do you believe scientific laws are discovered or invented?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by damastadamind
please explain your belief of imagination, and whether or not u believe in a subconsious link between physical reality and ideas/mind/imagination
Imagination is a consequence of thought. There is a link between the physical brain and modes of thought since this is what the brain does. If you're asking whether I suspect that the mind alone can affect the physical world without the use of bodily action I would say no.