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Is America edging towards socialism?

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posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:02 AM
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Yes, national socialism though, not marxist socialism.




posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by ziggy1706
Im glad this post is here, because my funny vision of what america is becoming, is kinda like the movie mars attacks with jack nichelson!
only, the aliens woould be our lovely government, corporations, and city police people using those lasers on us, saying " please stop we want to help you, were yuor friend" but use thier weapons agaisnt us in some weird retarded hostile way


It's interesting you mention Mars Attacks, because I was just thinking about that movie the other day myself.

I think the biggest realization I've come to since the economic crisis began is that all of the world leaders, experts, and other people that we the citizenery like to put up on levels above our own in knowledge and control, are just humans like you and me.

The BP spill has just reinforced this fact, nobody has this stuff figured out, we're all just running on our best guess and very fallible plans. It reminds me of the human's reactions in Mars Attacks.

When things go wrong, or not as planned or for that matter in any kind of new direction, even our leaders' response is usually "what the hell?" Followed quickly with a "ah ____ now what am I going to do?"

We are all in this together, be it an economic crisis, energy crisis, ecological crisis, or alien attack. I think a lot of the conspiracy theories gaining in popularity now such as New World Order takeovers and political shakedowns are based on our collective fear that nobody really has it all together and that in the end we're going to have to save our own butts and the charge is on all of us, together to make the world better.

I don't think there is any all-powerful and all-knowing evil force out to get us, but I also don't think that there is any backup coming. We've just got what we have, and we have to make the best future we can with it.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by pajoly

Obama a socialist? ..... His policies are more conservative than Bush 1.


I'm sorry.
Are we still on Earth?



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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no. We are not. Welfare states or fascist dictatorships are NOT socialism.

Doe the people(unions) own the main means of production or own distribution, manufactoring etc? no.They are privately owned by a small amount of people. Not the public. So no.

Free/(low margin)reduced costs health care. Nope.Big Pharma cronyism? yep. crazy high taxes? yep. Well except we don't get all the bells and whistles with it like socialism. Just trillions in debt and the grand theft of the american people by fascist banking mobsters. Cool!

[edit on 20-7-2010 by Xenopathic Investigator]



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 11:25 AM
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Obama towards socalism?

Does a fat man at a Discount Buffet, ring a bell.

Cop to a new doughnut shop,

He is pushing us into scocialism, like Stevie Wonder in a Drag Car, Blind and as fast as he can.

This is what we get for ellecting a politician with very little executive experience.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 01:22 PM
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Considering Obamacare, GM/Chrysler take-over, bank take-overs, student loan take-overs, we are already there. Like it or not, we're there.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost of Chewie
Obama towards socalism?

Does a fat man at a Discount Buffet, ring a bell.

Cop to a new doughnut shop,

He is pushing us into scocialism, like Stevie Wonder in a Drag Car, Blind and as fast as he can.

This is what we get for ellecting a politician with very little executive experience.


what do you think socialism is?



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 01:44 PM
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If you asking is America heading toward Socialism as in what is means in say books and history then your answer would be a huge no. In fact the American Socialist Party declared all the main canidates failed to embrace any socialist causes. In an intresting side note they also said the most Socialist canidate was Palin because she raised taxes on big oil and gave it to the Alaskin people.

If your asking if random people who do not know the meaning of the word will continue to make claims that America is heading towards or already is socialist then yes that will continue. It will not change reality at all but, it will give them something to rant about.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by MrSpad
If you asking is America heading toward Socialism as in what is means in say books and history then your answer would be a huge no. In fact the American Socialist Party declared all the main canidates failed to embrace any socialist causes. In an intresting side note they also said the most Socialist canidate was Palin because she raised taxes on big oil and gave it to the Alaskin people.

If your asking if random people who do not know the meaning of the word will continue to make claims that America is heading towards or already is socialist then yes that will continue. It will not change reality at all but, it will give them something to rant about.


Its wouldn't be so bad if they said america is heading towards a fascist police state. Now that would be closer to the truth.

But all we get is ignorant people who don't even understand whats socialism is much less cry about us going into it.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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We'll be lucky to even have socialism left when all is said and done.

I'm still wrestling with how corporate socialism seems to be okay with the same people who think people socialism isn't. Ain't plutocracy grand?



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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Hello fellow questioners,I come to you from an online community you may know of. We share many things in common. I am coming here as a messenger informing you of an oncoming hoard of invaders. We find ourselves under attack for sharing NEWS, and they will not stop with us. The free exchange of information is vital to the operation of both our communities. It behooves us to address this issue as a larger community than our respective cliques can muster. Please research this matter and consider an alliance of sorts.Thank you.GolfLimaPapa

America is not necessarily the bastion of free press as they claim

The various news agencies are presently trying to "manage" content. This reeks of the record industry's ill-conceived attempts to go after individuals who download music without paying for it, or the efforts by the AP in 2008 to get a popular website to remove AP content because they thought the site was using too much of their material.
This is indeed the clash between the new "link economy" and the old "content economy."
Links can be more valuable than content on the web. Links are routinely employed and monetized. In other words. The more you people click links, you can grab audience, show ads and make money.
By that reasoning, anyone who attempts to limit public exposure of their content is being short-sighted. There is more money to be made by spreading your work as widely as possible across the web, than by restricting it to those who can afford to pay for its use.
But most publishers aren't ready to accept that idea. For them, the issue is still about regaining control over their on line content, and receiving compensation from people who they believe are abusing the notion of fair use.
However there is a darker side This is way for any entity governments, corporation and individuals to actually control the news and hence the kitchen table issues which that shape our society. One can see from the general degradation of morals to see that.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 03:04 PM
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I certainly hope we are moving away from unregulated suicide capitalism.

I hope we are moving away from all this gross corporate welfare.

If it is corporate welfare, is that socialism or not?

Corporations aren't people so i guess not.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 03:10 PM
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We are and have been for some time a sort of hybird socialist state. But have no fear the will # it all up in time.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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we are not socialism. Corperate welfare is not socialism.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 03:41 PM
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Well yes it is freind. Dont you see they dont want anything that looks like and old school communist workers first move. They have just been feeding folks that so they will go around brainwashed and play thier role in the thing. But they never had any intention of really cutting out the goose that laid the egg......and the worker never laid a golden egg. Hes only good for the revolution and then the gulag or firing squad.

What they want is total real economic "socialism". The worker does nothing but eat, crap, and have babies. They are not doing all this for us really.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 03:50 PM
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There is a confusion of ideas.

Central Planning & Central Control are one thing

& have been attributed to Socialism/Communism,

But they are actually independent ideas that may or may not overlap.

Socialism is something designed to support 'society'.
That can be very open & nearly libertarian, or horribly repressive & constrictive if some rigid moralisms are imposed.

Socialism supports society, but one has to be very wary of limited definitions of 'society'.

Likewise with communism supporting communities.

Central Planning is more about authoritarianism.
You see it in fascism quite clearly, whether it is religious or secular fascism.

We have the worst of both worlds now.

Central Criminal Control & almost no actual support for society in any way shape or form.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 04:26 PM
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well its called sosial democrasy. and it got notthing to do whit stalin and hitler. i mean thats absurd. in an S.D everyone gets a fair piz of the pai. in other words, everyone has a roof over their head and food on the table, free healthcare and better humane rights then people in US. You should not fear it, you should welcome it

[edit on 20-7-2010 by kennybubba]



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by Xenopathic Investigator

Originally posted by Ghost of Chewie
Obama towards socalism?

Does a fat man at a Discount Buffet, ring a bell.

Cop to a new doughnut shop,

He is pushing us into scocialism, like Stevie Wonder in a Drag Car, Blind and as fast as he can.

This is what we get for ellecting a politician with very little executive experience.


what do you think socialism is?


Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.


With what I have heard on MSM about the Obama aproved takeovers of Fanny & Freddy, GM, etc... it seems like it is begining to fit into the definition above. If you have other knowlage of how these examples, and others, are not the beginnings of socialism, then what are they, please let me know. I admit that I do not know everything, other than what I can research on my own. I just want to know. Thanks to all.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 01:28 AM
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Um, I hate to break it to you people, but fascism IS a form of socialism. It's national socialism.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 09:40 AM
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I think the biggest step towards socialism the United States has taken in modern times is when Bush signed the first few Stimulus bills through. Of course the Socialism only was within the wealthy busineses and us normal people that took the hardest hit still lived it up like true capitalists.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Procession101]



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