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I seee , so you are admiting that islam as a nation has a political aspect , (which is denied by many muslims and their appologists) and that islam is indistinguishable from government thus a religious government , a theocracy. If that is the case how can islamic immigrants intergrate , they are a seperate nation within a host nation , with asperation of self government , shariah law , away from the host nation? The NWO use you to divide and weaken the west.
As for the animal part , speak for yourself.
And why is it that muslims do the complete opposite , practice what you preach , the uigars of china don't behave themselves. Their another group of separatist muslims. Muslims , either invade or emmigrate aggressively , and multiply and complain and expect special rights and privilages. When they can't get their way they get a hissy fit and start a jihad or some subversive action. No they do not allow people to reject islam , that's grounds for jihad and getting you're head shaved(all the way off).
Originally posted by skajkingdom
reply to post by Dark Ghost
Being muslim means submitting your will to God.
God says if you kill one innocent person it is as if ypu killed all of mankind.
Suppose now you kill a person, against Gods command.
So, you are not submitting your will to God.
Now, if "submitting your will to God" = muslim
then
NOT "submitting your will to God" = ?
What about us Buddhist's we don't go along with any God Islamic or Christain.
Religion is not democracy, it says 'belive or elese'
How can Islam preach democracy when women are wortless in many of its countries.
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by oozyism
So you would say that The Taliban interprets The Koran in the same way you do?
Or that Sunni and Shi'a interpret it the same way?
Do all Sunni's interpret The Koran the same Wahabi's?
There are numerous Islamic denominations all claiming to be the true interpretation of The Koran.
en.wikipedia.org...
Here in the UK Imams of the same sect but different Mosques can preach completely different messages and interpretations.
Originally posted by oozyism
Yes Islam is a separate nation, the citizens are Muslims. Those who are non-Muslims should live amongst their own, that being said they can live under Islam if they agree to follow the laws.
So does that mean that Muslims should not live in non-Muslim countries, or if they do they should agree to follow the laws of the non-Muslim country?
That is whole different can of worms to what we have been discussing.
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by oozyism
So it is a different interpretation of The Koran and it's teachings!
Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by JohnPhoenix
But you cannot get your hand back after they chop it off. You cannot get you eye back after they poke it out and you cannot get you life back once they behead you.
Bring verses from the Quran to back your claims, and the rest of your post. Then we can talk like men, or women if you wish, like they say, GAY is the new BLACK.
Those who are non-Muslims should live amongst their own
That is like any nation on this Earth, you live under China, you must follow their laws, and abide by them, before you go to China, you must agree that you will abide by those laws, if you don't you will be punished accordingly. In Islamic nation it is the same, before you go there, they will make an agreement with you, without protocols, we are all animals.
, as long as it does not go against the qoran , but if it does , totally disregard host countries culture and laws , their infidel and inferior.
Muslims can do what ever they want
If they want to become citizens (if that is what you mean by integrate), they must become Muslim, that is the requirement of Islamic citizenship.
Originally posted by oozyism
Islam is the BEST DEMOCRACY, here is why:
Western Democracy works on majority, while Islamic DEMOCRACY works on individual level.
CASE CLOSED!!
Questions and Comments invited.
PEACE!!
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."
Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"
Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"
Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”
Qur’an:9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”
Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
Ishaq:326 “Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth.”
Bukhari:V4B52N63 “A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, ‘Allah’s Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?’ The Prophet said, ‘Embrace Islam first and then fight.’ So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘A Little work, but a great reward.’”
Oozyism your strawmen are to die for literally , for they will lead people down a false sense of security to their detriment. You say you're koran only , islam should define muslims not vice versa etc and at the same time in case you did not notice you are preaching segregation and aparthied all of which go against democracy. You have torn down your argument
as long as it does not go against the qoran , but if it does , totally disregard host countries culture and laws , their infidel and inferior.
Now how can having a separatist theocracy within a nation be healthy , I ask all these corrupt politicians who've been bribed off or are total base heads , and I ask you?
And when they reject it they are second class citizens or denied citizenship , this is you're "best democracy"? Why doesn't the inferior western democracy force muslims to integrate or convert to christianity or any other religion as grounds for citizenship?
Lastly and most importantly do you suscribe to shariah law?
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by oozyism
No, it is a different interpretation...that may be due to their culture, but it is still a different interpretation!
Originally posted by tetrahedron
reply to post by oozyism
You sir or madam, are retarded.
CASE CLOSED.