Islam is the best DEMOCRACY (NOT Western Democracy)

This is the funniest damn thing I've ever seen on ATS... Islam and perfect in the same sentance..

reply to post by SaturnFX


I say you are a deaf. The intermediary here between my message to you is the internet and the accompanying paraphenalia. These junks are not created by me, but used by me as means to communicate with you. It bears no markings of my words or my authorship. It is just plain - things.

What you are confused about is only that you know not that the Koran or Bilble is written instructions and guides from our Creator that needs no other sources to interpretate.

These are the timeless and eternal words that you can only feel and be touched, not that I would expect you to know at your current stage of evolution. Do surprise me. :-P

For the record this shouldn't turn into some sort of pathetic
Hate on Islam thread.

Just refuting the OPs claim is all.

Let's keep it civil people.

PEACE

Slay

reply to post by SLAYER69


You are right.

But it is very hard when any disagreement with the OP and his supporters results in accusations of trolling and ignorance instead of reasoned and respected debate.

The whole premise of the title of this thread has been shattered.

Islam is the antithesis of Democracy and any form of society that was governed by the beliefs and laws of Allah as dictated to Mohammd and eventually recorded as The Koran would be a Theocracy.
A truly Islamic state can not exist as a Democracy.

reply to post by skajkingdom

True face! True face. sigh
You seem to forget what is going on in Sudan , The philipines , southern Thailand and a whole slew of other places that have a large muslim minority. Fresh genocide baby. Why did the NWO police that action but are so reluctant to do anything meaningful about these atrocities commited by muslims? As busta rhymes put it "ARAB MONEY"! But in serbia they bombed the snot out of the serbs in a carpet bombing campaign not seen since ww2. Tis true , we humans all wear our masks , we may not like what is beneath them , no one here should ever forget that , most people play a game of deception , the social mask.

Any where you have a large muslim minority or majority , things like this prove there will be conflict and separatist islamic movements. Islam and Western judeo/christian ideology are not compatible. Muslims hate or are uncomfortable with infidels , where they cannot openly vent , they pretend and wear a crocodile's grin , it is these sleeper cells we must be most cautious of , in every facet of life , not just religion.

"When you think it is peace and safety , sudden destruction is your end"-1 Thessalonians 5:3. So be vigilant and sober. Peace Indeed , Democracy indeed , poppycock. Where?!

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101


To my fellow human and brother oozyism, Peace be unto you and fellow human readers.

I have read your simple comparison and understand why you would presume the holy book as a Constitution to rule Mankind, more so as it is filled with instructions on the true path humanity must take in order to avoid been doomed.

You are also correct that the Koran is the ONLY intermediary between man and Allah and is personal that no other man can interfere. There MUST BE NO intermediaries comming between Allah and man.

It was the way as the good prophet Muhammad, the last messenger sent from Allah, would have wanted upon the expiry of his human body and rejoined back to the Heavens.

He left no successor, for as he is only a prophet, it is the will of Allah to present one, for the community to choose or not to choose on their free will.

The final message came at a time when mankind once again had been corrupted by the few evil men to sought to dominate Earth, after the Messiah, a prophet whom even the holy Muhammad had acknowledged, had tried to save humanity that our Creator loved.

And yet, no sooner had the final blessed messenger breathed his last, evil men once again sought for dominance and corrupted all that was good in the message.

It is not enough to read the Koran, but to read the history of how it came about and its aftermath, for example, how the first revelations by Allah was not written on paper or papyrus, but on leafs and skins.

Only the truth will set us free from the manipulations by evil men.

It was only after his death was the beautiful Koran compiled, but by them it was re-edited as evil men who rule determined how it should be, some added, some burnt, and how much of the true message had been lost...

But the purpose and existance of the Koran alone proves that our Creator loves us, even with added or missing pages just as the Bible was, and wants us to use our free will wisely, and not to harm anymore of His creations.

There was a time for war, but even more so, there is a time for peace, for all to live and love as He would have us, his creations to be.

We are all to be role models and inspiration for the rest of humanity whom knows not our Creator or His love and path laid out for us to evolve. It is not the form of worship, the outward piousness we show to others that will lead others back to our Creator.

It is from our hearts, and actions we do daily in our lives that will lead the way. And if you think the Koran, or at least the purpose of it is to show the way, regardless if it is labelled as Democracy, Socialism, Communism or whatever political labels popular with the day, then you and I must lead by example, to show peace, compassion, charity, logic to others and lead them to equality, progress, prosperity, justice and evolution of mankind as one, with common aspirations, for we all came from the same Creator...

Trust not my words, for I am not a proohet, only a simple insignificant nobody but judge my post for its merits and consider its meanings for neccesary action on yours and my part to our families, relatives and friends that makes up our world you and I share.

Part 2

Even as we whom are of the faiths, each individually have a direct line to our Creator, there are secular aspects of which we must address rationally.

It would not have been necessary had the Arabs continued to live as nomads, but as mankind progress and moved into cities and adopt new ways of progress so that we must evolve, so too must we adopt new measures to keep the faith.

Who will take care of the tithe collections? Who will take care of the municipilities? Thus a system of government is needed, not only for muslims, but also for those whom are not ready or had not been shown properly our Creator's love for us.

Thus a fair system of governance be instituted. In the past, we had seen how entrusting such governance to mortal kings with absolute power and a powerful military had kept fellow muslims down, and how even the merciful Allah had destroy such abusive powers by 1911.

America has its own sacred Constitution based upon a republic model, writtened by enlightenment men of their own culture. Muslims, too will better served by a republic model as well where good man are selected to serve the community within timeframes and not for eternity.

Islam had never been intended for such as proven by the good prophet Muhammad, blessed be his name, when he died without even naming a successor when he had all the time to do so.

A republic that is based upon the Muslim culture, and by Muslims if within their own lands, with compassion, charity, tolerance and logic, ruled by men to served specific periods, chosen by the people, with the common human aspirations of mankind - equality, prosperity, progress, justice and evolution.

If not, muslims living in others land must respect the laws of others, for all humans have only similiar aspirations, led by example, not by the bomb, to know our common Creator.

Thus, oozyism, as you had mentioned, the muslim faith is a direct line between man and Allah, but as no more prophet will be sent to lead mankind again as said by the good prophet Muhammad, it will have to be good mortal men to serve the needs and requirement of a nation state, within a republic model and not by hereditry and tyranny, for evil men abound, more so in such times.

[edit on 14-7-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

 

Plus person can choose to be a citizen of democracy X or become citizen of other system without any problems. Democracy cannot exist without separation of powers.

1. When I say Democracy, in most people's head it means people having the right to choose.

2. Islam allows everyone to choose.

3. Simple, best Democracy out there.

4. Yes you can leave Islam if you wish.

But you cannot get your hand back after they chop it off. You cannot get you eye back after they poke it out and you cannot get you life back once they behead you.

Plus other religions don't condone mass killings from stupid members like suicide bombers, nor does their constitution (quoran in this case) tell them it's o.k. to deceive non believers and has a mandate to take over the entire world through that deception.

If that's what you call a true Democracy, then surely democracy is Evil and a very bad system for anyone.


[edit on 14-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

Originally posted by skajkingdom
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

Albanians are muslim, catholic and eastern orthodox.

Please take your serbian propaganda home. The whole world has seen your real face.

Right and Albanians think and believe everything is theres?



I noticed how you ran away from the video from your Albanian friends what the matter truth hurts eh?



There will be a time when the whole world know your crimes, oh didnt i forget to mention, your country and kosovo both live in poverty!


How does Kosovo live by? Drugs and warlords human beaheaders, dont push to the limt where i am going to post disbursing pictures of your countryman people beaheading other people heads off.


Dont push me.



You Albanians claim everything is yours.

reply to post by oozyism


I feel that i should point out that....Islam treats women as chattels.
Therefore..It cannot be a democracy.

You may try and refute this...but...The truth is the truth and will remain the truth regardless.

True freedom is in the heart not in the yoke

reply to post by Michael Cecil


You may find this a naive question..
The Jews wrote the Torah, it is their book....So
Why would they turn it upside down ??.

Please read this question as....i do not agree with you at all on this point.

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by Dark Ghost

 

What are the consequences of Apostates?

It is so simple, their citizenships are taken away from them.

You see, you destroy your own argument. You are not free. The key word here is free, not Democracy. You either do as your told or you are thrown out of society.

Which Religion you belong to is dictated to you; you are not free to choose. Islam is a form of slavery.

I am free. I live in a country where I'm allowed to be free. I live in a country where my government protects my right to live free and choose my own path. I can join any Religion I wish or reject Religion altogether with no consequences. I live in a country where the laws protect everyone the same.

I can criticize my leaders, you can not. I can speak my mind freely, you can not. I can criticize corrupt people within any Religion without consequence, you can not. You are a slave to your Religion.

In the news right now is a woman who was convicted of Adultery and sentenced to stoning. Only after the worlds attention was brought to it did the Islamic Government, in a cowardly manner I might add, back down knowing how vile that practice is. On top of that the Woman is a Widow so it was not possible for her to even commit the crime of Adultery. Islam had sentenced her to a life alone over some bizarre idea she could be married to a dead person. More evidence YOU ARE NOT FREE!

Freedom to choose is the greatest gift given to man by God. Only an evil Religion can take that away. By definition any Religion that removes freedom is not of God. Satan's best trick is convincing people that slavery to a Religious Theocracy is as it should be. You are ruled by a Theocracy, which again is slavery.

It is not hard to figure out why the Dictators in Islamic Government want to convince you that you are free when you are not. If you ever open your heart and think clearly, you will realize that you are a slave and you will rebel. They must convince you from birth that it is normal for one man to dictate to another what they must believe or how they must live. They teach you to hate people you don't know anything about. They teach you to hate people from other Religions that teach Love and embrace true freedom of choice. Ask yourself, why would they do that? How could Love and Freedom be evil? It can not, but you are taught that it is. Explain that; not to me, but to yourself.

Another question you should ask yourself, is why do Muslims kill each other? Why is it every day another slaughter of one group of Muslims by another is in the news? You never hear of other Religions killing each other off over slight differences in their beliefs. How can you close your eyes to the slaughter of Muslims by other Muslims?

Why is a woman an inferior person in the Muslim world? What purpose does that serve other than Hate? Is Allah a God of hate? Why do so many in the Muslim world practice hatred and violence in the name of Allah? Does Allah hate his own creation that much? So much he relishes hatred and suffering and in fact demands it?

You seem to be searching, but to do so you must lay aside the brainwashing from those who dictate to you and not be afraid to think for yourself.

For me, I serve a God of Love. I serve a God who allows me to choose for myself, how I will live. I serve my God out of love and not out of fear. I live in the most free Society ever know to mankind on this planet. I walk down the street arm in arm with people from all Religions or beliefs.

There is a lot of lying that goes on here at ATS about the United States. You see in a free society, liars are allowed to lie all they want and we are allowed to reject them as we wish because of their lies. What is different about us, is we accept they have the God Given Right to lie about us and slander us. They will not be punished for their lies. Yes, they take advantage of us and see it as a weakness, but it is not a weakness. It is a very powerful strength in fact.

Good luck in your search and may you one day find truth. The truth that you were born with the right to choose and those who take that away from you are evil and are not of God, but serve the other Master. Only Evil seeks to control others.

Originally posted by skajkingdom

Why ask questions then when you are not interested in the answers?
And have already made up your mind by "educating" yourself from IDIOTIC websites the likes of the one in your quote from so called "ex-muslims".

There are no ex-muslims!

If someone was truly a muslim he would never become an "ex-muslim".

That is so illogical that it hurts.

Oh? But Oozy states that if one should wish to leave Islam, they are free to.

So, are you saying that none would ever desire to leave? Or that those who do, were never truely Muslim?

Bleh.... brainwashing.. 101.

Only the true Muslim is worthy, anyone who claims to have left is a moron, right?

Originally posted by skajkingdom
reply to post by Dark Ghost

 

Being muslim means submitting your will to God.

God says if you kill one innocent person it is as if ypu killed all of mankind.

A play on words. In one breath this is what is said, but in another is "You are not innocent." allowing the first.

A simple play on words that fools enough people to keep silenced anyone who recognises it.

Originally posted by oozyism


CASE CLOSED!!

Islam.
No.

reply to post by Blaine91555

You see, you destroy your own argument. You are not free. The key word here is free, not Democracy. You either do as your told or you are thrown out of society.

LOL, if you don't do as you're told you will be thrown out of America, many people have been evicted from America for their views. You must meet certain conditions to be an American citizen, if you wish not to be an American citizen you can leave etc. This is the same, your argument is mute.

Which Religion you belong to is dictated to you; you are not free to choose. Islam is a form of slavery.

Islam is a form of slavery, in that case having laws is a form of slavery, working is a form of slavery etc. Your argument is emotional and mute.

I am free. I live in a country where I'm allowed to be free. I live in a country where my government protects my right to live free and choose my own path. I can join any Religion I wish or reject Religion altogether with no consequences. I live in a country where the laws protect everyone the same.

EHHHH

The freedom rhetoric gets to everyone lol

Exactly, if you live in an Islamic nation, you are a citizen of Islam, and you will be treated just like everyone else. I think you have watched too much FOX news, you must be more specific in order for me debate, or even discuss with you this issue, if the rest of your post is more rhetorics then there is no point, let me check.

I can criticize my leaders, you can not. I can speak my mind freely, you can not. I can criticize corrupt people within any Religion without consequence, you can not. You are a slave to your Religion.

More rhetorics, zzz, and where did you get all that information from? Evidence?

I will give you one more chance lol

In the news right now is a woman who was convicted of Adultery and sentenced to stoning. Only after the worlds attention was brought to it did the Islamic Government, in a cowardly manner I might add, back down knowing how vile that practice is. On top of that the Woman is a Widow so it was not possible for her to even commit the crime of Adultery. Islam had sentenced her to a life alone over some bizarre idea she could be married to a dead person. More evidence YOU ARE NOT FREE!

Yup my suspicions were correct, a media brainwashed individual.

I'm not saying it because I disagree with you, but because you are jumping to conclusions without even knowing what you are talking about.

Stoning is not an Islamic punishment, it is a Judaic punishment.

That being said, this discussion is over.

reply to post by badw0lf

Oh? But Oozy states that if one should wish to leave Islam, they are free to.

So, are you saying that none would ever desire to leave? Or that those who do, were never truely Muslim?

Bleh.... brainwashing.. 101.

Only the true Muslim is worthy, anyone who claims to have left is a moron, right?

Down Boy..

You know exactly what he is saying, the Quran doesn't contradict his views. Islam allows people to stay blind if they wish, it is their own loss, it says let them enjoy the pleasures of this life.

It seems you are one of those people who do not have anything to add in regards to the OP, but I haven't read the whole thread yet, after a siggie I will

Originally posted by oozyism
LOL, if you don't do as you're told you will be thrown out of America, many people have been evicted from America for their views. You must meet certain conditions to be an American citizen, if you wish not to be an American citizen you can leave etc. This is the same, your argument is mute.

I think that if you're an illegal alien then yes you can be tossed out. Why not? We are talking about a country not a religion. So whats your point?
Actually is there a point?

Originally posted by jean59
reply to post by oozyism

 

I feel that i should point out that....Islam treats women as chattels.
Therefore..It cannot be a democracy.

You may try and refute this...but...The truth is the truth and will remain the truth regardless.

True freedom is in the heart not in the yoke

Ohh damn, does every Westerner have this freedom thingy shoved in their heads lol

Do you even know what freedom means?

Islam gives you the freedom to become an Islamic citizen or not, if you don't want it, go live amongst your own kind, no one is stopping you.

That includes Women, Jesus Christ, what did I do to deserve this much ignorant.

Hey Westerners treat women as literally the B word, and the H word. Since I'm not allowed to used explicit words. If you don't understand what the B word and H word is the U2U me.

Since they are treated that way, doesn't mean the Western LAW is encouraging Westerns to treat their women like that. Get it

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

There will be a time when the whole world know your crimes, oh didnt i forget to mention, your country and kosovo both live in poverty!


How does Kosovo live by? Drugs and warlords human beaheaders, dont push to the limt where i am going to post disbursing pictures of your countryman people beaheading other people heads off.


Dont push me.

Are you gonna bring politics in to this?

Do you want me to show you some pictures of what Americans have been up to lately? Don't be a troll, America is the biggest drug consumer of the world.

reply to post by JohnPhoenix

But you cannot get your hand back after they chop it off. You cannot get you eye back after they poke it out and you cannot get you life back once they behead you.

Bring verses from the Quran to back your claims, and the rest of your post. Then we can talk like men, or women if you wish, like they say, GAY is the new BLACK.