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Islam is the best DEMOCRACY (NOT Western Democracy)

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posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by oozyism
They messed around too much, and messed with the internal affairs of Afghan and Iranian affairs, therefore made them extremist by using extreme actions against them.

For example the Shah in Iran, which was a Western puppet regime in Iran.

And the USSR which jumped in to internal affairs of Afghanistan, and now the US which jumped in top Afghan affairs which made them extremists.

Extremism comes from extreme actions taken upon Muslims.

Even Saudi Arabia, the puppet regime of the US, the people are using extreme measures, to try to take the US puppet out. etc. etc.

Think about Somalia as another example, it is evident, that extremism is the product of extreme policies of the empires.


I will acknowledge that the Unites States has made mistakes in the past.......and indirectly, or even directly in a rare instance, has caused pain and suffering for a lot of people.

The United States is well aware of this and tries really really hard not to repeat the mistakes of the past. But when terrorism knocks at our doorstep look out ...... ......! All wars will have some collateral damage, just as all wars will have some casualties do to friendly fire.

Don't try to make the US look bad. You only make yourself look bad when you do it. Either be sociable and quit insulting people with your lame theory that Islam is a Democracy, or continue on towards a thousand replies and still only 11 flags on this thread.

If this poll doesn't indicate an overwhelming failure on your part, moral or otherwise, nothing will.

It is time for you to make salih and accept others to practice their own religions freely along side your own. We Christians have no miqat,.......as there is no site that would be so holy as to be exalted above the Savior himself.....But if you receive Communion, terrible things might happen to you if you are not a believer, or if you are a seriously .....d up person. You may even end up being possessed by Satan....and you might have to have an exorcism.

The Catholic Church knows this...and they tell you not to receive the Eucharist if you are not in a state of sanctifying grace. But they can not stop you from approaching the Communion rail if you decide to do so.

And if demons try to get a host, they will surely spit out the nail that they have just received.

Don't mess with Jesus or he'll leave you to your own devices; if you're lucky he'll let Satan slap you like a bitch.....and show you some other dimensions.

[edit on 23-7-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]




posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by oozyism

Once again, use Quran as reference.

Quran is the source of Islam.

Islamic law is within the Quran.

I will keep repeating myself until it gets to your thick head.


The proof of insanity is repetition and expecting a different result.

Your argument, (you offer no reasoned debate) that making a choice is democracy demonstrates your complete lack of political awareness.

Making a choice is the essense of Free Will. Democracy has flourished as the predominant socio-political system in the Christianised world because democratic ideology is compatible with the Christian doctrine of free will, that all are equal under God, to make our own choices and decisions about our lives and values, that we all have the right to self determination.

Are you student of Islamic Democracy? What are your thoughts on Khomeni's Islamic government or Gaddafi's Islamic socialism?



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 09:35 PM
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posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 10:18 PM
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posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 10:30 PM
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posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 11:45 PM
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posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by teapot


The proof of insanity is repetition and expecting a different result.

Einstein right

The proof of ignorance is trying everything, except what is expected of you. You are told to implement A, while you go throughout the Alphabetical order from B - Z and claim yup, A doesn't work.



Your argument, (you offer no reasoned debate) that making a choice is democracy demonstrates your complete lack of political awareness.


Allowing people to choose is the essence of Democracy, there is debate, you have to prove Islam doesn't allow choice and force people in to submission. It seems you don't even know what you are discussing here.



Making a choice is the essense of Free Will. Democracy has flourished as the predominant socio-political system in the Christianised world because democratic ideology is compatible with the Christian doctrine of free will, that all are equal under God, to make our own choices and decisions about our lives and values, that we all have the right to self determination.


No Democracy is not the product of Christianity, it was created to destroy Christian influence of nations due to hate towards Christian rule, hence the separation of Church and State.



Are you student of Islamic Democracy? What are your thoughts on Khomeni's Islamic government or Gaddafi's Islamic socialism?

Both Khomeni, and Gadafi Islam is cultural, they follow historical individuals they respect (hence Imam Hussain which Shiias respect a lot etc), and mute Quran in the way, hence stoning is not in the Quran, yet some follow it, because some respectable individual implemented it in the past.

Iran is trying to rid culture from influencing their policy, and is trying to use Quran as constitution, the only thing left, is to get rid of Khomeini, that is also cultural belief, and against Quran.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 02:13 AM
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You did not answer my question, ...

If you so gung ho on islam, ... why don't you live in an islamic state ???

Soooo the Empires are what made muslims extemists ??

oooohhhhhh I seeeee.

So when teenage girls are hanged for crimes of chastity then I suppose thats everyone elses fault too.

Dude, you don't even know what the hell your talking about.

Go back to school.


What question?

Why am I in NZ?

I ran away from Afghan conflict, which in essence was a long proxy war. Anyone aware of world politics knows that, but ofcurse people here are not concerned about world politics, but more concerned about spewing hate towards Islam, based on their absolute ignorance.



Soooo the Empires are what made muslims extemists ??

No, the actions of the Empires turned them towards radicalism. Anger fogs your judgement, and those who are angry can easily be manipulated, do you disagree?

They are manipulated and made to believe false Islam for political purposes.

That is obvious, all they need is simple education to bring to back to reality.



So when teenage girls are hanged for crimes of chastity then I suppose thats everyone elses fault too.


Nope, that is not Islam, and Islam goes against it, that is culture.

You need to go back to school, your narrow views are making you blind.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 03:04 AM
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NOW THAT'S DEMOCRACY!




B E L O W PICTURE IS NOT FUNNY!




Muslims getting ready to stone this poor soul to death...


Recommended book on this subject:

The Stoning of Soraya M. by Freidoune Sahebjam

When a woman is accused by her husband - rightly or wrongly - of infidelity, she is no longer considered human. This is the true story of an innocent woman stoned to death in modern Iran. Soraya M.'s husband Ghorban-Ali, was a shiftless, ambitious man, prone to rages and dreams of wealth. He wanted to get out of his marriage. When Soraya began cooking for the widowed husband of a friend, he found his excuse. Abetted by village authorities and aided by Islamic law, he accused his wife of adultery. Soraya M. - rendered mute by the injustice of the accusations, exhausted by her husband's constant abuse and her grinding daily routine - said nothing in her defense, and her silence was taken as guilt. Perhaps, too, she knew that her protests would not be heard. She was taken away, buried up to her shoulders and neck in the ground, and then stoned to death. Day by day, hour by hour, the author re-creates Soraya's unbearable ordeal, providing the reader with an eyewitness account of a terrible miscarriage of justice, so typical within Islam.


prorege-forum.com...

[edit on 24-7-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 03:10 AM
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Islamic authorities in Malaysia say soccer uniforms with devils, crosses or skulls promote the "wrong value," but that doesn't mean Manchester United jerseys should be banned.


I wonder how Malaysia came to Islam lol.

The same way the West will become Islamic, because they already agree with all Islamic laws > Quranic laws.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 04:04 AM
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posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 04:09 AM
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There is a very, very fine line between critiquing the retrograde nature of radical Islam and outright xenophobia.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 04:13 AM
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Talk about double standard, and the backward treatment of Muslims:



During the interview, JTTF agents provided ROCKWOOD a copy of his target list that had been obtained by investigators. In response to investigators' questions, ROCKWOOD knowingly provided materially false statements and explanations about the target list, including denying that he created the list, denying the purpose of the list, and denying ever having such a list of names. In truth and fact, ROCKWOOD selected the names and entities appearing on the list as those he believed should be targeted for assassination and attack, and was, in truth and fact, the creator of the target list.




I read the story, very interesting.

They found his wife, with the target list, then made a copy of the target list, then interviewed him.

So they basically imprisoned a man for 8 years based on circumstantial evidence.

They could have tracked him, and find real evidence to back their accusations.

I stand with my previous point, that you can be tortured, and imprisoned indefinitely based on suspicion, the US constitution has collapsed.


Does this really reflect the US constitution, no not at all. The actions of individuals, or organizations under the American constitution does not effect the status of the US constitution, if they are not following it in the first place.

Just like Islam.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 04:22 AM
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after 5 days of your opine, i am done and others need not waste their time.

can you get more asinine? no offence mohammad, i mean ooozy, but jeezeum chrimas, i appeal to allah! spare this woman! is it so important to you?

have the men chumps save some kids or somthing! stone a radical iman, even!

feed the poor, oh yeah, they don't know how to cook.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by fooks
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after 5 days of your opine, i am done and others need not waste their time.

can you get more asinine? no offence mohammad, i mean ooozy, but jeezeum chrimas, i appeal to allah! spare this woman! is it so important to you?

have the men chumps save some kids or somthing! stone a radical iman, even!

feed the poor, oh yeah, they don't know how to cook.



But you didn't even discuss the topic, you just posted what you heard on the news.

No one referred to Quran, the only person who did, posted one verse from a whole chapter to prove his point.

No one could refute the point that it is ultimately your choice to choose according to Quran.

No one refuted the point that Western Democracy works as majority, making the minority submissive.

No one refuted the point that Islam is a better Democracy than Western Democracy.

I still stand, you guys keep falling one by one. And one had to be ignored because of his psychopathic and pedophilia attitude.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 04:29 AM
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Originally posted by oozyism


Islamic authorities in Malaysia say soccer uniforms with devils, crosses or skulls promote the "wrong value," but that doesn't mean Manchester United jerseys should be banned.


I wonder how Malaysia came to Islam lol.

The same way the West will become Islamic, because they already agree with all Islamic laws > Quranic laws.


Screw Islam.

The West does not need this backward religion. No matter what you say, no matter how fast you breed and no matter how much you think your religion is superior. Islam is not needed.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 04:32 AM
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Eurgh that woman stuffing food into her burka is vile.

I'm sorry OP but if this is your idea of progress, then i'm afraid i'm quite happy sticking with my bacon sandwiches, tasty beer and pet dogs.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 05:24 AM
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So oozy, I'll ask you again, did you run away from The Taliban?

The Taliban who want to use The Koran as the basis of their 'Islamic Democracy' as they did once before.

The Taliban who would punish you in accordance with Koranic Law for drinking alcohol, 40 or 80 lashes I do believe.

As we approach Ramadan will you be drinking alcohol during the day?

What is rhe punishment for that?

The Taliban who 'The West' are trying to help you get rid of.

'The West' that you criticise yet run to for safe haven.

Why not run and escape to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?

I suspect that deep down you enjoy being able to criticise 'The West' safe in the knowledge that you are doing so whilst enjoying the freedoms and priviledges that it provides, free from the restraints and dictates of The Koran.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by oozyism


Quran is the constitution of Islam, it sets the boundaries for Islam.


The words.... 'falling at the first hurdle' spring to mind.



Westerners won't even accept the atomic bombs dropped in Japan was terrorism, how can they accept any thing else?


But if those japanese had slaughtered us westerners, then that would NOT be terrorism??



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