Originally posted by Freeborn

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Were it known that Mohammed was Elijah and John the Baptist 'raised from the dead' and that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth', the multi-billion dollar Judaeo-Christian religious establishment would be in quite serious danger.

I think it would be a hell of a blow to Islam as well, a religion that almost deifies Mohammned.

Any issues about democracy is a political matter.

Something most people seem to be missing, including the OP.

Of course it would threaten the multi-billion dollar interests of the Muslim religious establishment.

What is not widely known by Christians is that the Christian religious establishment is the "anti-Christ religious establishment" because it turns upside down the Teaching of Jesus that the "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

What is not widely known by Muslims is that the Muslim religious establishment is the "dajjal religious establishment" because it ignores the Doctrine of "resurrection" as 'Rebirth', which was also taught by Mohammed.

That is the reason for the violence in the Middle East.

That and that the Jews have also turned the Torah and the Prophets upside down, while ignoring the Prophecies of Daniel.

Michael Cecil

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Originally posted by Chance321

Yes, and what about women in this muslim world, will they be free to wear what they want? Go where they want? Say what they want? Will they be free to become Doctors, Lawyers, ect?

Why do you circle out women.

Men AND Women, according to islam, should dress MODESTLY.

As in, do not provoke without any need.


Everyone, men AND women, can be doctors, lawyers, etc., within a reasonable framework - BEFORE WOLVES JUMP IN HERE: Reasonable Framework means, it is a biological fact that women cannot do some work men can, mainly due to physical/biological limitations (e.g. hard work).

Originally posted by skajkingdom

Originally posted by Chance321

Yes, and what about women in this muslim world, will they be free to wear what they want? Go where they want? Say what they want? Will they be free to become Doctors, Lawyers, ect?

Why do you circle out women.

Men AND Women, according to islam, should dress MODESTLY.

Because from what I've seem of islam they seem to treat women as if they are below men. And you didn't touch on the question on, are they free to speak their minds and go where they wish without being escorted. Also, I'm just curious, what's your definition of dress modestly for a woman? Is it the head to toe robes you see so many muslim women wear or what?

Originally posted by Chance321

Because from what I've seem of islam they seem to treat women as if they are below men. And you didn't touch on the question on, are they free to speak their minds and go where they wish without being escorted. Also, I'm just curious, what's your definition of dress modestly for a woman? Is it the head to toe robes you see so many muslim women wear or what?

1. What do you mean by "speak their mind"?

2. Yes they can go where they wish. The Escort thing was primarily intended as a protection. You must understand that a woman running around ALONE in the 7th century was practically a gift on a plate for Slave Traders, Murderers, Rapists, etc.

3. Dress Code:

O CHILDREN of Adam! Indeed, We have bestowed upon you from on high [the knowledge of making] garments to cover your nakedness, and as a thing of beauty: but the garment of God-consciousness is the best of all. Herein lies a message from God, so that man might take it to heart. (Qur'an, 7:26)

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and to be mindful of their chastity, and not to display their charms [in public] beyond what may [decently] be apparent thereof; [37] hence, let them draw their head-coverings* over their bosoms. (Qur'an, 24:31)

* - The noun khimar (of which khumur is the plural) denotes the head-covering customarily used by Arabian women before and after the advent of Islam. According to most of the classical commentators, it was worn in pre-Islamic times more or less as all ornament and was let down loosely over the wearer’s back; and since, in accordance with the fashion prevalent at the time, the upper part of a woman’s tunic had a wide opening in the front, her breasts cleavage were left bare. Hence, the injunction to cover the bosom by means of a khimar, (a term so familiar to the contemporaries of the Prophet) does not necessarily relate to the use of a khimar as such but is, rather, meant to make it clear that a woman’s breasts are not included in the concept of "what may decently be apparent" of her body and should not, therefore, be displayed.

I'm noticing an increasing number of non-sequiturs being posted lately!

Religion as politics has been tried repeatedly throughout the course of human history they have almost always resulted in dictatorship and tyranny. This is called a "THEOCRACY" and is is NOT at all a Democracy. The reason is quite simple, the majority DO NOT get to choose the tenets of the religion that rules the Theocracy - their only choice is to either participate or not participate - IF they're lucky!