MIB (Men in Black)

Who are the real Men in Black?

I can tell you one thing, it’s not Tommy Lee Jones or Will Smith. Men in Black (MIB) are men dressed in black suits claiming to be government agents who attempt to harass or threaten UFO witnesses into silence. It is sometimes implied that they may be aliens themselves. The term is also frequently used to describe mysterious men working for unknown organizations, as well as to various branches of government allegedly designed to protect secrets or perform other strange activities. The term is a generic one, used to refer to any unusual, threatening or strangely behaved individual whose appearance on the scene can be linked in some fashion with a UFO sighting.

The phenomenon was initially and most frequently reported in the 1950s and 1960s. The archetypal Men in Black encounter was alleged to have occurred in 1953, when publisher Albert K. Bender asserted that he uncovered the secret behind flying saucers, but had been threatened by three men who wore black suits and hats. Initially, Bender clearly implied the men were U.S. Government agents, but his later accounts blended supernatural features with UFO lore. In fact, Bender himself was initially skeptical of the Men in Black phenomenon and first encountered them “in the flesh” after publishing an account of the Maury Island Incident, which occurred in 1947 when Harold Dahl reported pieces of a UFO fell on the boat he was on in the Puget Sound, killing his dog. The next day Dahl was warned by a man in a black suit driving a black 1947 Buick that he would do well to keep silent about the incident. Early reports of Men in Black often described them as men short in stature with swarthy complexions, as if they were deeply tanned. Some reported them as Gypsies. Sunglasses, black suits and black cars have been a feature for the entire period since modern sightings began in 1947, but according to UFO historian Jerome Clark, “All MIB are not necessarily garbed in dark suits.”

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A lot of people have heard of something about "MIBs" without really knowing any of the details. The purpose of this article is to acquaint readers with MIBs history, how they are related to the cover-up allegations, along with associated reference material and names of files which contain more current thoughts on the subject. When the Condon Committee was sampling public attitudes toward UFOs they gave this statement to a cross-section of the American Public: "A government agency maintains a Top Secret file of UFO reports that are deliberately withheld from the public." The respondents were supposed to answer TRUE or FALSE. A substantial majority, sixty-one percent, thought that the statement was true while only thirty-one percent said it was false. Among teenagers, the credibility gap was even wider - 73 percent believed the statement to be true. General opinion studies conducted by the Condon Committee, and other surveys about UFOs came up with the rather paradoxical facts that there were more people who believed in a conspiracy of silence about UFOs than believed in UFOs in the first place.

It has ofen been said that we Americans today are a bit paranoid; that we always tend to believe that something is out to get us, or something is being kept from us. It certainly seems that we were a bit paranoid about UFOs. Most people thought vaguely in terms of an Air Force conspiracy or a CIA conspiracy or even of a world-wide scientific conspiracy. It was generally acknowledged that the reason behind such a conspiracy was a desire on the part of those in power to hide the "truth" from the public because people would panic if they kney that we really were being visited by superior creatures from another world. Conspiracy theorists constantly hearkened back to the old "War of the Worlds" broadcast, and the panic it started. Such a belief, however, is rather too simple for the true connoisseur of conspiracies. He has long ago rejected the simple, straightforward Air Force-CIA-science establishment cover-up as too obvious, and really rather ridiculous. The conspiracy connoisseur pointed out quite correctly that no government or group, no matter how powerful, could possibly suppress so much sensational information for so long - no earthly group that is. If the extraterrestrials WANTED to make themselves known then they would land in a central place, and all the feeble earthly cover-up would simply be blown away. It is out of this sort of background that the legend of the Men In Black arose. It concerns strange little men in dark suits who drive around in big shiny cars and harass people who claimed to have seen a UFO.

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The MIB (Or Men in Black) are a huge enigma in Ufology. This subject isnt discussed enough on this board and I am curious what you all think about the MIB and who they could be? What part of the Government are they from? Some even go as far as to say that the MIB are Extraterrestrial themselves.

A lot of people refer to them as Silencers. If you know too much about UFOs, these mysterious men dressed in black will come knocking on your door swearing you into silence. A lot of reports/rumors etc state that these MIBs will even threaten your life in a lot of instances.

Thoughts? Theories? Anyone have any stories/links etc to share?

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I had a "friend" who had this UFO website, with much evidence(so he claims), and the Dutch government shut it down. Scary idea...

Although he also claimed to have seen one of those reptoids.

Anyone know if Men In Black are linked to the Black Ops? Maybe they are part of the same organisation but deal with different types of "situations".

No comment.. Due to orders.. Erm.. Request by the Men In Black...

MIB's are super secret NSA agents covering up the truth about et's...

Originally posted by King Triad
MIB's are super secret NSA agents covering up the truth about et's...

Have a link? Or any proof to these claims?

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No just years of dealing with them in my contact...Why do you think they operate in complete secrecy?..

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i found this info about the "real" men in black

The Men In Black is now a motion picture experience, but eyewitness accounts of these shadowy figures have been documented for 50 years, and they have become as integral to UFO lore as the Philadelphia Experiment, Roswell, Area 51 and crop circles. Aptly described as "sartorial agents of silence", they are believed to move in groups of two or three. They wear black suits and ties, travel in similarly coloured Cadillac's and turn up at the houses of those who claim to have seen UFOs. They will warn these witnesses not to pursue their. investigations.

They may confiscate any "evidence" that the "contacted might have collected. They seem to have telepathic powers, they are uncannily well informed, and give the impression that they work for the government - although US intelligence agencies have denied all knowledge of them. They are born of the same kind of paranoia that underpins sightings of flying saucers and claims of extraterrestrial abduction. The most common post Roswell stories are victims losing several hours of their lives, oftcll after witnessing a blinding light, and for years afterwards suffering recurring nightmares about being experimented on by aliens.

Just as the stories of abductions and close encounters are remarkably alike, so the stories arriving from different corners of the world about The Men In Black are uniform in content. And they go back almost as far as the first recorded UFO sighting, in 1947, when a pilot named Kenneth Arnold spotted a group of shimmering discs hovering over Mount Rainier in Washington. Almost immediately afterwards came the "Maury Island Incident" in which a man named Harold Dahl claimed he had seen some flying doughnut-shaped objects, one of which had dropped a lump of metal on his dog's head. Dahl said he had then had breakfast with a stranger wearing a black suit who drove a 1947 Buick Sedan and warned him to keep silent. The Maury Island Incident was later reported to be a hoax. Genuine or otherwise, this didn't deter The Men In Black, who pursued a tight schedule for the next 50 years. Albert K Bender, for instance, director of a research group entitled the International Flying Saucer Bureau, abruptly announced his retirement following a visit by three men with eyes that shone like flashbulbs. "If we hear another word from your of fine, you're in trouble," they warned him. Several years later, in 1968, Bender published a book in which he explained The Men In Black in more detail: they were, he claimed, from somewhere called Kazik; he had visited their spaceship in Antarctica; they had told him that their agents had infiltrated the Pentagon.

In 1971, UFO author Timothy Green Beckley published a pamphlet entitled MIB - Aliens Among us, in which he revealed a US Air Force memorandum apparently written by one Lt Gen Wheless. It warned military personnel to be on the alert for people impersonating air force of fixers, describing a person in a USAF uniform who "approached local police and other citizens who had sighted a UFO". Apparently, this shadowy figure assembled them and told them that they had not seen what they thought they had seen. Nor should they talk to anyone about their imagined sighting. As would be expected, sightings of The Men In Black were documented throughout the Sixties and Seventies when the fashionable nihilism spawned by the Vietnam war, nuclear threat and the arms race gradually mutated into academic orthodoxy. In an atmosphere dominated by Cold War paranoia, assassinations and Watergate, every conspiracy theory gained validity. One of the most interesting and most detailed descriptions of a Man In Black was given in 1976. Dr Herbert Hopkins, a psychiatrist based in Maine, had no previous link with this field, except that he had been treating a youth who claimed to have been abducted by aliens. Here is an abbreviated account of the whole episode, as Hopkins told it to UFO Review:

"I was alone in the house. The telephone rang and the voice on the other end identified itself as a member of a New Jersey UFO research organization. I agreed that he could talk with me about the abduction case. He said that he would be right over. I walked from the telephone in the hallway to turn on a light and the man was already coming up the stairs. If he was as close as across the street, or even next door, he couldn't have possibly gotten here so soon. "His attire struck me as a little odd. He wore a neatly tailored black suit, black shoes, black socks, and a black tie. He also wore a black Derby. I thought, 'God, this man looks like an undertaker.' "We sat down and I said to myself, 'This character is as bald as an egg.' He didn't have any eyebrows or eyelashes and his skin was a dead white colour. His nose was very small and it came down to just above the upper lip. His lips were ruby red. "He had the appearance of a clothing store dummy. His sump looked as if it had never been worn before. He spoke flawlessly English with no accent, completely neuter, like you would get from a machine that could talk."He was wearing gloves. They looked like grey suede. He 5 brushed his lips with the glove, and when he put his hand downy the back of his glove was bright red. I said to myself; 'This guy is wearing lipstick.' Then I could see that his mouth was perfectly straight. He did not have what we call lips, so the lipstick was there as some sort of decoy. "He could apparently read my mind. He told me I had two coins in my left pocket, which I happened to know for a fact. "He asked me to hold a bright new copper penny up in my fingers, and he made it disappear in a bright blue light. I didn't smell or feel anything. I was just fascinated at that point. "I got a little uneasy when he ordered me to destroy the tapes and any other correspondence and anything to do with UFOs. He said that if I didn't do so I would suffer the same fate as Barney Hill" [a renowned 'contactee who had died under mysterious circumstances]. "I truly believe that this individual was from another planet. He is not an invader. I don't think so anyway. But I do feel he, and others like him, are around, nosing about..."


The nature of these visitations has changed little in the past ten years, and stories still abound about peculiar interrogations conducted by men who, rather scarily, look like Bryan Ferry. In 1985, a report emerged from Venezuela in which two doctors claimed that they had seen two men wearing black suits and shades emerge from a magenta Ford Mustang and then climb up a ladder into a UFO. Nine years later, Mike Lonzo, a researcher n Pennsylvania, visited an old woman who told him that she had been approached by two individuals wearing black dinner jackets. They demanded she give them a black stone that was in her back Fyard because it had the power to destroy the world. She complied. Then they asked her out to dinner in a restaurant in Pittsburgh. Testis urzu, testis rullis. Everyone from Hawking to Asimov has had their say. We have been offered humanoids and reptoids, angel hair and hoaxes, interdimensional gateways and autopsies. The result is a virtual truth, so out there no one knows what is real. Eyewitness accounts of abductions and interplanetary travel have been indistinguishable from the parallel universe presented by screen writers from The Day The Earth Stood Still in 1950. In 2001A Spare Odyssey, an astronaut is transformed into a hybrid that is half man, half alien - a fantastic idea you may think, and one that could only exist in science fiction. But in America, Jenny Randles has published Star Children - "the stories of people who believe they are the offspring of aliens and humans". The Men in Black, chic and scary, are still an unexplained phenomenon. Psychiatrists may throw out phrases such as "fantasy prone personalities", "disassociative states", and "constructive perception"; debunkers will do their work and describe rational causes; but no one has pinned down The Men In Black and, consequently, disparate suppositions have been spawned in this arena of strange perceptions.

Theorists who affiliate UFOs not so much with outer space as with the paranormal suggest that The MIB are a form of demonic psychic energy similar to the poltergeist. Some have said that The Men in Black were linked to a branch of the US Air Force Special Activities Centre known as the 1127th Field Activities Group, which was said to comprise a group of underworld figures who were specialists in lock-picking and intimidation. Others argue that The Men in Black were Tibetan monks who followed the Dalai Lama and the Khamba riders into exile, and placed their yogic powers at the service of the CIA. This could help to explain why many reports of MIB describe their features as Asian. John Keel, a leading UFO investigator, has pointed out that, "a large proportion of the available UFO literature is based on hearsay and speculation. Many of the real and important problems have been suppressed at the source by the witnesses themselves or have been ignored by superficial investigations which concentrate on obtaining descriptions of the objects rather than studying all the events and factors surrounding the sightings.

"Many of the aspects which have preoccupied UFOlogists for years have proved to be misleading or have failed to contribute to a better understanding of the whole. The UFOs represent only a small part of a much larger phenomenon which is now occurring on a worldwide scale. By being more thorough and objective in our investigations we can - and will - learn more about the main phenomenon itself." But objectivity holds little sway in a land where meta-logic makes faith and pseudo-science gives rise to all manner of extraterrestrial hypotheses. You could put it all down to protean psychoid phenomena. Or you could simply agree that everyone loves a good story.

I would say if you ever see something crazy UFO alien whatever, and start telling people about it, set up some covert surveillance equipment which can be activated at short notice.

Then when these guys role up to your house and start intimidating you, you've got it all on film. That is assuming they come after you in your own home... Then you've got some evidence to post around the internet.

If your a real contactee they are more likely to silence you than threaten you..

silencing by car "accidents" or whatever
there are so many accidents happening these days... even at home

Originally posted by -Blackout-
The MIB (Or Men in Black) are a huge enigma in Ufology. This subject isnt discussed enough on this board and I am curious what you all think about the MIB and who they could be?

This is the part of your OP that I feel is the most relevant to this discussion, not any of the mythos, as that is all speculative and most people here know the MIB mythos anyway.

Corroborated Eye-witness testimony from countless encounters describes as "MIB's" fall into the following two categories:

A)

Govt. Agent - these are either NSA, NRO or DNI operatives (DNI does not 'officially exist'). Often these men will dress in plain black clothing or suits and ties with no identification/credentials, so that you cannot trace them back to their source. They will often say they are from the FBI or CIA as a rouse to mislead and/or intimidate you. These people are often called in to handle individuals who have interacted with ET entities, and keep them from going public...or silence them if they already have. They will ask for any photo/video/physical evidence you have. It will not be returned. Do not give anything to them.

B)

ET Entity - This is often the most misunderstood MIB. Corroborating witness testimony describes ET MIB's as an ET soul embedded into a dead or recently deceased human body. This could explain for the so often reported pale skin/bright red lips and overall dazed appearance. It is widely believed that these types of ET's can transcend the physical plane in spirit and embed themselves in any number of life forms for various reasons. The motives for their possessing these physical forms are wide ranging and elusive.






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Well they are supposed to be psychic right? So that wouldn't work, they would know there were hidden cameras. You would need a friend to hide them without telling you their locations.

That is of course if this stuff even exists.

Good thread though. S&F

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The Dr. Hopkins visitation is an interesting account.

There was a purported MIB encounter following the Maury Island Incident, but also some doubts surrounding the whole incident entirely- some have labeled it a hoax.

Another interesting case was that of Peter Rojcewicz.

Peter Rojcewicz reported a detailed Men in Black account which occurred while he was researching his Ph. D. thesis in folklore. Like some other Men in Black reports, this one has been interpreted as having its origins not in physical reality, but in an altered state of consciousness.

It s interesting to revisit the Maury Island affair. As being near the start of the whole modern MiB phenomen, it is important to pay close attention to it, as it's interpretation and propagation may have an important effect on the phenomenon as it is currently recieved. These scanned documents are from the 1995 Slovakian published book UFO: The Complete Sightings by Peter Brooksmith and seem to have a lot of great info on the affair.

Last I recall, MIB accounts were mostly in the 50's, 60's, and 70's, with very few accounts after these decades.

This actually makes sense, as by then, the aura of ridicule surrounding the subject, was already sufficient to do the job of silencing witnesses, or at the very least, ensuring they wouldn't be believed.

The accounts vary, some seem like perfectly human agents...others describe them as appearing "oriental", "robotic", or with monotone voices, etc. The moniker mostly comes from the tendency to wear dark suits (even fedora type hats, when out of style), and drive dark 4-door sedans.

My guess is that the secret-keepers went to less conspicuous operatives in later years, and/or even bona-fide government agency representatives or military personnel.

I really wish the MIB tried to mess with super-aggressive witness and got themselves messed up for their efforts.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but if an "official" agent or whatever came to my place and tried to coerce me into giving them stuff that I recorded and made threats on my life, there's a good chance they'd either get shot or be choked out and buried in my backyard.

Nobody comes to my house and threatens my life without getting a kitchen knife buried in their chest.

Originally posted by NASA is ASAN
Nobody comes to my house and threatens my life without getting a kitchen knife buried in their chest.

Love it! Has anyone asked any of these supposed silencers to produce a badge? I mean, if a government official is questioning you, don't you have right to demand their identification?

I suppose if they are ETs as some claim, one might be able to kill them without government repercussions, unless they work with the government. However, I'm sure the mothership might come after you for an unfriendly probe in the...anal shrubbery.