The conspiracy of the Torah

The written and oral Torah was given to Moses (or so the story goes) There are 13 articles of Jewish faith. I draw your attention to numbers 8 and 9 below. I see no mention of a "Mishnah" which is "Rabbinical" in that a small group of rabbis through time decided THEY were qualified to improve on what God gave Moses. Number 9 clearly states "There will be no other Torahs. But in effect the Mishnah is like an extension of the Torah. It explains the Torah. Did the Torah require explanation? Was God not clear? JUst food for thought.






The 13 Articles of the Jewish Faith proposed by Maimonides are these:

1.God exists
2.God is one and unique
3.God is incorporeal
4.God is eternal
5.Prayer is to God only.
6.The prophets spoke truth.
7.Moses was the greatest of the prophets.
8.The Written and Oral Torah were given to Moses.
9.There will be no other Torah.
10.God knows the thoughts and deeds of men.
11.God will reward the good and punish the wicked.
12.The Messiah will come.
13.The dead will be resurrected.

if you read scripture you will see discourse between different consciousness speaking as to a public forum; i have noticed this in all words i read.maybe the "rabbi's" sought fit to modernize their own views with what they were presented as "gods message".

see: www.aish.com...

Devarim(Deuteronomy 1:1-3:22)
Torah as the Totality of God's Will
"Who is the wise man that may understand this, and who is he to whom the mouth of the Lord has spoken that he may declare it? Why has the land perished, burnt up like a wilderness that none pass through? And God said, 'Because they have forsaken my Torah, which I set before them, and have not obeyed My Voice, nor walked therein.' "(Jeremiah 9:11-12)


The question of why the Holy Temple was destroyed and the land left desolate was posed to the Sages and the prophets (Talmud - Nedarim 81a).
None could explain until God Himself revealed that it was a result of having forsaken the Torah. The Talmud continues that the failure to listen to God's voice and walk in the Torah's ways refers to their failure to recite the blessings over the Torah.

Rabbeinu Yonah asks how this seemingly obvious fact - that the Torah was forsaken - could have eluded the Sages and prophets? To his question we can add others.
The Talmud in Yoma says that the first Temple was destroyed because of immorality, murder and idolatry. Why, then, did Jeremiah mention only the failure to make a blessing over Torah study? Moreover, where did the Sages see in the verse itself that it refers to the failure to make a blessing rather than total abandonment of the Torah?

Rabbeinu Yonah answers that in fact the generation learned Torah constantly and fulfilled the mitzvot. That is why the Sages did not recognize that they had forsaken the Torah. But if so, how did they fall to such a level that they committed the three cardinal sins? Why didn't their Torah learning protect them?
To this God replied: their Torah learning was lacking, as seen from their neglect of the blessing over their learning....

the Torah has a code within it, this is true & factual...the Talmud
and other writings are the same purpose as footnotes, not Torah replacement...
there are many layers/levels/dimensions to Torah & each needs to be compartmentalized to make understanding simplier

reply to post by Ausar


Therein lies the conspiracy. The Mishnah gave them, the Rabbincal, greater control over the flock. Control is pretty much what religion is about.

reply to post by gem_man


So how Mishnah is different from Christian/Muslim religious law books after Bible and Qur'an?
If you think that this is another means of control - then it is the same in all the monotheistic religions so singling out "conspiracy of Torah" is weird.

Originally posted by gem_man


The 13 Articles of the Jewish Faith proposed by Maimonides are these:

13.The dead will be resurrected.

This, of course, is the problem: the interpretation of the "resurrection".

Is it the pagan Egyptian metaphysical doctrine of the raising of a dead physical body from the grave, as was taught by the Pharisees and Paul and the Christians? Or is it the Doctrine of 'Rebirth' as it was taught by Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus and Mohammed?

Maimonides misinterpreted the Doctrine of "resurrection", just like Paul did.

"All the rest is commentary."

Except for the Holocaust.

The Holocaust was not "commentary".

It was the consequence of Paul's misinterpretation of the "resurrection"; which resulted in the pagan doctrine of 'vicarious atonement' based upon the deification of Jesus and the demonization of "the Jews".

Michael Cecil

i hear what your saying; but if you weren't with moses to receive: what are you reading for and calling yourself a follower of.this is the bigger conspiracy; the main game.

Originally posted by Ausar
i hear what your saying; but if you weren't with moses to receive: what are you reading for and calling yourself a follower of.this is the bigger conspiracy; the main game.

This is not something that I have "read".

What it comes down to is the receiving of a very specific Revelation: the Revelation of the Memory of Creation (Genesis 2:7) and the revelation of the memories of previous lives (referred to in the Treatise on Resurrection as the "psychic" resurrection) as alluded to by Jesus in his reply to the Sadducees in the Gospel of Luke 20:34-36.

This conspiracy has been going on for more than 2500 years, as I have already stated.

Much more about this is on the thread "Resurrection" & 'Rebirth' and my web page.

Michael Cecil

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

Have to start somewhere. This is where i chose to start. There are of course conspiracy in all religions. Religion itself is a conspiracy.

thats a false conspiracy what a person knows as true for themselves is never a conspiracy. the true conspiracy are people who know what is not their lot by testimonies; and attempt to gain or have that which will never be their constitution.

edit to add;

so i ask why are you reading and why are you associating yourself with something that does not come actively or inactively.

[edit on 14-7-2010 by Ausar]

Originally posted by St Udio

Devarim(Deuteronomy 1:1-3:22)
Torah as the Totality of God's Will
"Why has the land perished, burnt up like a wilderness that none pass through? "(Jeremiah 9:11-12)

The question of why the Holy Temple was destroyed and the land left desolate was posed to the Sages and the prophets (Talmud - Nedarim 81a).

This made me think of this scripture:

19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit

---1 Corinthians 6:19

So if the body is the temple, then the 'land' is the MIND- 'left desolate' ?

reply to post by gem_man


sounds like setting up a cooperation.

article 1: we are always right, we have the only truth.
article 2: if we are wrong, article 1 is automatically coming into effect.

Originally posted by gem_man

The 13 Articles of the Jewish Faith proposed by Maimonides are these:

9.There will be no other Torah.

Certainly, an 'interesting' statement, seeing as how Maimonides also wrote something he called Mishneh Torah, meaning "Second Torah".

So we have arrogance and duplicity.

Maimonides did the same thing to the Torah that Paul did to the Teaching of Jesus: turned it upside down through metaphysical philosophy.

Michael Cecil

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Maimonides misinterpreted the Doctrine of "resurrection", just like Paul did.

"All the rest is commentary."

Except for the Holocaust.

The Holocaust was not "commentary".

It was the consequence of Paul's misinterpretation of the "resurrection"; which resulted in the pagan doctrine of 'vicarious atonement' based upon the deification of Jesus and the demonization of "the Jews".

The Holocaust was the result of "New Age," occult, and Gnostic ideas like yours, and had nothing to do with "vicarious atonement" and the deity of Jesus. Here's an excerpt from a book by a Jewish woman on the subject.

The Rainbow Swastika: A Report To The Jewish People About New Age AntiSemitism

Hitler turned against Christianity from his early teens and sought his destiny in the occult. He later joined with associates who also embraced those teachings, and together they built a state guided by the same occultic principles and goals repeated in today's NA. And no wonder, because he drew on the same esoteric sources as the NAers of today. [How have so many scholars overlooked this all-important key to understanding the Nazi mentality? In the words of the Angeberts' English translator, Lewis A.M. Sumberg, nearly all historians missed the "militant neo-Paganism" and "Gnostic racism" in Nazism "because they have brought conventional outlooks and methodologies to their examination of an unconventional phenomenon." (_The Occult and the Third Reich_, p.x) We must either re-assess the Nazi philosophy with these roots exposed, or be forced to settle for theories which fail to completely explain Nazi priorities. Its unconventional nature lay in "magic thought allied to science and know-how" (Angeberts, p.179) - exactly the hybrid being encouraged today by NA leaders like Peter Russell. Sumberg's observation in 1974 about this blind spot among historians fell mostly on deaf ears, which makes it more difficult now - but more urgent than ever - to recognize that not only is Nazism not dead, we are now surrounded by a "kinder, gentler" version of the same philosophy, sprouted from the same roots and having the same priorities.]

[...]

The nurture of the new humanity included the need to "encourage the growth of a violent, domineering, intrepid, cruel youth... nothing weak or tender in it." (Angeberts, p.209, Rauschning quoting Hitler) This reached its climax in SS training, and it corresponded to the Nazi view of "pure" Gnostic, Hindu and Buddhist philosophy, which did not teach compassion and gentleness, but Aryan duty and honor above all (Angeberts, p.220-221). [This would seem confirmed by the presence of Tibetan Buddhists in Hitler's Berlin, as well as Bailey's prediction that Buddhism is destined to drop its image of gentle pacifism.]

But there was an obstacle to sweeping away the Jew and raising this cruel new generation, in the person of that "Jew of more liberal persuasion", the Bible-believing Christian. Knowing that Christian Germany would not easily accept an open return to paganism, Nazism attempted to wean the masses from standard Christianity by removing the Jewish-influenced "negative" parts, that is the Old Testament and most of the New Testament, imposing gnostic meanings on key passages, adding colorful pagan legend, and repackaging it in their 1920 platform as "positive Christianity" (Angeberts, p.202-203).

reply to post by Michael Cecil


which one? the Bolshevik holocaust? Nero holocaust? Armenian? PolPot? Mao? or the current one reported by an athiest as "Christians the world over are the most persecuted people group now and all history combined" there are beheadings happening right now he says, excluding of course the traditional directly physical type not happening in more western nations, although one could say monies/economy and all kinds of bs would just fall under non traditional so far

In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth."-Rev18.24

At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now.-Gal4.29

Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.-Rev11.8

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress-Jas1.27

[edit on by No King but Jesus]

in the Christian faith, theorizing on the gospels led to minor changes in church theology, mostly to keep the manyfolk in ignorance of the true doctrine. In a similar way the Talmud was the discussion of the torah, the logical conclusion is that this can be interpreted once again.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by gem_man

 

So how Mishnah is different from Christian/Muslim religious law books after Bible and Qur'an?
If you think that this is another means of control - then it is the same in all the monotheistic religions so singling out "conspiracy of Torah" is weird.

The Mishnah only differs from the (written) Bible and the Qu'ran in that it was originally transmitted in oral form, so that people would have it on the tips of their tongues. It's actually a good way to limit the ability of Judaism to be used as a means of control - if there is only one interpretation, then a malicious rabbi or priest could not create his own to better control people.

The Mishnah was written down between 200 and 600 CE, as the whole memorization thing wasn't going so well.