Originally posted by airspoon
Here is the part that I don't get. Why wouldn't TPTB or Obama supporters just make a fake birth certificate - with the state seal? I'm sure that he has access to the resources to do such a thing.

Two things I have noticed about TPTB. First, they like to push to see what they can get away with and second, they like to sit back and laugh about what they are getting away with.

I'm a little surprised Vitter joined the band wagon. I think it is a good thing.

I am not committed to any one side of the argument, but definitely leaning a tad on the side of the birthers.

The thing is, if there wasn't so much ambiguity on his background and conflicting stories, it wouldn't matter. I mean, if the guy was born in Chicago to two US citizens and never left the US for more than a two week vacation we wouldn't be having this discussion. With Obama, there is conflicting stories on his birth location, his status as a child while he was overseas, passports, etc. With the position of President, above all, it should be of national importance to investigate and clarify all issues as long as any doubt remains.

At this point, even those that aren't directly TPTB, but in government would likely not want to expose him. I think the can of worms that would open up would be more than society would stand. "We" are happier espousing our conspiracy theories and decrying him a usurper or calling others "nutty birthers" than to deal with the reality of that truth coming out.

Originally posted by airspoon

Just to note: I'm not a "birther", I'm just curious as to why I have to produce a standard to get a DL but Obama doesn't to control the fate of the world, irregardless of where he was born. That's all.

--airspoon

He showed his US birth certificate. Not only did he show it, it was posted online for every person in the world to see. Not only did he post it online for every person in the world to see, the Governor of the State of Hawaii also verified that he was born there. Not only did the Governor of Hawaii verify it, the State Registrar of Births verified it.

His opponent John McCain was born in Panama. He does not have a US birth certificate and was never asked to produce one.

Okay, here's what I believe to be the deal with his birth certificate issue.

I believe Soetoro adopted Obama, after he married OB's mother and she brought him back to Indonesia.

I also believe that since OB was adopted in an Indonesian court, and the laws being somewhat different from the U.S., OB would still have a U.S. birth certificate on file - or, so he thought.

You see: in the U.S., the original birth certificate would have been replaced with the newly updated birth certificate. The original would have been either filed in some sealed archive somewhere, or simply destroyed - depending on the state's laws and how closely they adhered to them.

Since this was Indonesia, their laws were a bit different. As long as the child was under a certain age (under 6 - I believe), they did not require the mother to present an original birth certificate. They would, pretty much, take the mother's word for documentation, and issue an Indonesian birth certificate without having to surrender the original (U.S.) certificate. This only applied to children who were being adopted due to marriage, and were under a certain age.

Now, given the above, we could then see how Barry would have been able to travel to Pakistan, been eligible to received foreign scholarships, and just how he would have been able to get away with not registering with selective service at the age of 18. He would have had an Indonesian passport.

Okay, this is where we get back to the 'so he thought' statement:

I believe he, and those who should have vetted him, was sure that he still had a Hawaiian Birth Certificate, and would be able to obtain it; abeit with a bit of archive digging.

His trips to Hawaii, and sightings of him at the Hawaiian courts and other official offices, weren't so much to 'seal' and 'hide' his documents, but rather to 'find' those documents. I believe he pulled teeth (not literally) and strong-armed everyone he could, anyone and everyone who may be able to come up with the original certificate. Unfortunately, this was the 60s, and original papers were only as safe as the office that kept them. Who knows what happened to his original (didn't he say something about a fire?), but I believe this was a slap and the first 'uh-oh' moment for his ego. He really believed he would be able to find that original document. But, given that Indonesia probably did officially contact Hawaii, upon adoption, who knows what Hawaii chose to do with the certificate as it was no longer (really) their responsibility.

Anyway, I believe this to be the most logical explanation. Although on the surface it may not seem like such a big deal, it certainly is a mega problem.

-Sour

When the only broadcasting company that supports you is Fox news, thats when I would question what I was thinking.
I personally think it's a subversion for something that we should be looking for that could actually show Obama to be a shill, which he most certainly is.

[edit on 14-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

WE know Obama was CIA.
The uber spies, arms dealers, and dope dealers of the world.
Knowing that, is a forged doc such big a leap?

Court would put the matter to rest...properly

[edit on 14-7-2010 by Danbones]

Just heard on the radio that 9 people were indited for looking up OBAMA'S student loan records.

They also looked up John Wayne's student loan records among others.