reply to post by ANOK
I see we are in almost total agreement - state run capitalism, better termed fascism, brings out and rewards the violent sociopaths among us. An
enviroment of fear and hatred is created, like a fish tank whos water has been tainted. To comform to the current system is to become one of the
But I cannot lay the blame squarely at the feet of the 'capitalists', just as I cannot soley blame the 'communists'. Capititalism, by its very
definition is just two or more people coming together and consentually agreeing to a trade thats mutually benefitial. (usually, or else consent would
not be given.) I can find no moral or logical flaw with free humans trading their justly produced surplus. The farmer is free to trade his surplus
eggs to the rancher for cattle, ect. In these exchanges, free will is not violated, no ones natural rights are infringed upon and both parties walk
away happy. I dont think any of us would disagree that such an exchange is immoral.
So what is the essential problem? If capitalism is simply free trade as defined above, and obviously an extension of mans natural rights to own what
he produces, why does capitalism get such a bad rap? Why do some constantly site capitalism as the source of all the worlds many woes?
Well imo captialism is a victim of its own sucess. Clearly free markets create the greatest expansions of wealth and egalitarianism ever seen. We
see this in the rise of Rome, the British Empire, and of course the USA, the latter creating the largest middle class ever. But to look at the latter
example now, with all its horrors, and to blame the free exchange of goods...to blame freedom itself, is appealing due to its simplicity but also
leaving out the one key point that allows capitalism to mutate into the monster it has become today.
And that key point is the State. Better definied as the monopoly of violence, because that is the key characteristic that seperates a state from any
other entity, be it a corperation or whatever. There was a time when the USA had the most limited State known to man. Ingenious systems of checks
and balances were imnposed on paper to restrain it. The founders of the once great nations feared its growth and saw it only as an necessary evil.
As force, as violence. They even suggested a revolution was necessary every generation to check the power that they knew from experience would mutate
and grow exponentially.
And what has happened? From the smallest State to the largest ever known on the face of the Earth. Theres a correlation there. The freedoms allowed
to the citizens predictably produced enourmous wealth and productivity. This supercharged production gave the tiny state the blood supply it needed
to grow exponentially. And once a State begins to grow, it is like a cancer. It never stops growing, as its job and sole function is to survive and
grow. And until the cancer reaches a critical phase where it actually comsumes its host and both die off, it feeds off the ever depleteing production
of the once free people. And once the freedom of the people is gone, and thus their productive capabilities, it feeds on any and all sectors that it
can gain its lifeblood from, be it internal or foreign.
And thus the most free Republics with thier high minded ideals of limited governments and freedom for the citizenry always mutate into the cancerous
parasite that is empire, combining the once free apendages of a once free people into arteries of the State. This is why every limited government
experiment results, eventually, in empire. This is why the smallest governments always end up the largest. This is why we are caught in a constant
cycle of freedom, growth, decadence and collapse, of which were are currently in the later phase.
This is why I see socialism, or any solution that advocates *more* State as miguided and self destructive. Anytime a group is set aside from us, the
people, with the unique ability of initiate force, it will always grow and will always become corrupt. And it will always destroy its supporters, and
those unfortunate enough to be caught in its whirlpool of death. We are all about to witness this process unfold in real time over the next couple
years, and in its aftermath we must find new solutions that dont involve giving once special group the power to rule us all through force.
A stateless society, as unimaginable and utopian as it may sound to most, is our only alternative to the Statist hell that is planned for us if we
continue to allow ourselves to be farmed like cattle. I dont know how this society would operate, but if based on the universal prinicipal of *the
non initiation of the use of force*, it might just have a shot at achiving a world where we dont slaughter eachother en mass every generation.