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Originally posted by LadySkadi
reply to post by hypattia
Capitalism, is fine, and the people who invest take a risk, so they deserve to profit from their investments, but do people have to have so much money, at the expense of paying a living wage, to the employees?
Do you have a proposal for a new system, or a proposal for re-structuring the current system? Something you'd like to share that may mean a solution to those ills you've outlined?
[edit on 13-7-2010 by LadySkadi]
Originally posted by hypattia
Is this fair? Businesses take their companies out of the country to pay lower wages. Businesses hire illegal aliens, so they don't have to pay a fair wage. Businesses have created the problem of illegal aliens. If they were bot hired they would not be here.
What say you is the solution? People here in the U.S. should take lower wages?
Do you know why unions were started? Why people died for the right to form unions?
Not saying unions haven't had their problems, but it did create a balance.
20% of net worth or $250,000 fine (whichever is higher,) minimum 6 months up to 5 years in federal prison and permanent removal of any business licensing for businesses who knowingly hire illegal aliens. If the individual employer is a legal immigrant, removal of green card and immediate deportation upon release of prison sentence. This is a felony offense.
Originally posted by Mumbotron
reply to post by hypattia
I think Marx had it nailed. Communism is supposed to be pure democracy from the grass roots up. There is the story that after WW1 and the fall of the Tzars of Russia, Lenin got his hands on a Communist Manifesto and thought it may be an answer for his home that was at that time in shambles. He contacted Marx to ask what he thought about Russia adopting this philosophy and Marx replied: Your attempt will never develop past Socialism (the first stage) due to the fact it must remain centralized to fight off Capitalist influence on the society. As we have seen, no country that has claimed to be Communist has been able to become a decentralized Democracy just like Marx said. As long as there are greedy people offering payoffs and greedy people taking them, we have a problem.
edit: Real communism like Marx intended can't exist in competition with Capitalism which is a system that will destroy itself on it's own.
People hoard for the sake of hoarding. the productive capacity of our resources and efforts are wasted.
[edit on 07/17/2009 by Mumbotron]
Originally posted by mike365
Are you comparing the killing of the Taiban in Iraq to something like Cambodian genocide with 1.7million people EXTERMINATED -www.yale.edu... We are in Iraq to git rid of an oppressive government.
I, again, don't the thought process. Do you realize America is one of the, if not THE only country that will
1. Invade a country
2. Kill off the oppressive government
3. FREE the people
4. REBUILD the country to better than pre-war conditions
5. And then leave without asking for anything in return.
In every other war in history it goes this way.
1. Invade the country
2. Kill off all of the government
3. ENSLAVE the people
4. Steal all of the resources
5. and then tax the people of that country to pay for the war
America is THE only country that fights, truly FIGHTS, for peace. If you believe that the US fights wars in other countries to take over, then why do we not control every country in the world? Why have we not taken every barrel of oil in Iraq and left by now?
It would have been easy to go to Iraq, steal every barrel of oil, take every well and nuke the country. We could have done that and no other country could have done anything about it.
Instead our solderer have done their best to not kill the innocent, and at the same time rebuild the country and FREE the people.
Again, find ANY country that has ever done that... especially a communist/ socialist country.
Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by LadySkadi
Imagine a partnership business where everyone owns a portion of the business and all work in that business, the success or failure of their work and profit divided up amongst themselves as income.