as others posted. If America's economy fails, so will many other countries. You also forget that every country in the world is in debt last time I checked. Oil is probably our greatest weakness but we could use our reserves to take over some Mid East country and get free oil . As long as there is fuel for the tractors we would never starve since we produce way more wheat than we can eat currently. So no, money is not the way to defeat America, we know money

Originally posted by mpeake
Russian, you are a take no crap kind person and I like that! I hate when people back down from a subject! Look, the way I see it, this forum is about conventional weopons. Not figurative ones. Wouldn't you agree? If you wanted to post a topic about how to destroy the US by destroying it's ability to generate money then I would think it would go under "War" or something. That's all I'm saying. Also, I don't know if anyone said the rest of the world would FALL if the US did, just that it would have a HUGE affect on them that would take a LONG time to recover from, if they could recover at all. But, like I said, I'm no Economist which is why I thought if we move this to another forum an economist or someone in that field might see this and respond.

mpeake, I dont hate US and if US falls I will be the first to feel it.

But I just get tired of some people that think US is the only think that holds the world together.

The world survived alot of Superpower falls and it came through so if US falls then the world will survive it but there will be some damage.

And yes if the mod wants to it wouldnt be bad to move the thread but there is really no place in ATS where this thread will fit very good.

Out,
Russian

Originally posted by RogueX
as others posted. If America's economy fails, so will many other countries. You also forget that every country in the world is in debt last time I checked. Oil is probably our greatest weakness but we could use our reserves to take over some Mid East country and get free oil . As long as there is fuel for the tractors we would never starve since we produce way more wheat than we can eat currently. So no, money is not the way to defeat America, we know money

Got that right.

Money is NOT the best why to destroy a country especally US. Oil and Oil only is the best method to destroy.

But some countries are not oil depended on other countries so it is harder to destroy them that way.

Out,
Russian

You're right, the US doesn't hold the world together. Well, at least not it's philosophy that "We are right and you are wrong". It's money does have a strong grip though. But, if we don't take a long hard look at our foreign policy SOON, and I mean in like the next year, we will be crusin for a bruisin so to speak.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Reality is that if the US falls the global chain reaction that it WILL cause will be immeasurable. Millions upon millions rely on American aid and food to survive.?

A world recession, certainly. but one the world can't survive?? are you serious? The US is in a net importer!! that means you're the one's doing all the consuming, not the rest of the world!! WTF kind of self glorifying propaganda have they been feeding you?... Jeez

The US is in debt up to it's eyeballs, and as Vanguard mentioned earlier, that's survivable for the US if it's economy can keep expanding. The thing is US isn't the economic big boy now, and everything moves on. US money? it's bit's of paper backed by nothing other than future taxes.

And you're sitting here saying you wouldn't mind seeing global devestation and starvation just because of someone's attitude? Nice.

OK, now take how pissed you are at me right now.... then multiply by say.. 1000 (to take into account a hypothetical bombed out house, missing brother, raped sister, a destroyed history plus a bit if DU induced cancer stored up for the kids). Now you've got just a bit of an idea how the Iraqis, or the Palestinians are going to feel about the US right now.

Not good is it? That's you're reality stick.

FFS Nobody's even saying they WANT the US to fall, but we've got to paint these scenarios otherwise the US might just end up thinking it's infallible and kick off a world war that will cause the global devastation and starvation you currently believe you protecting the world from..
..
peace

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Originally posted by muppet
A world recession, certainly. but one the world can't survive?? are you serious? The US is in a net importer!! that means you're the one's doing all the consuming, not the rest of the world!! WTF kind of self glorifying propaganda have they been feeding you?... Jeez

Uh....nice of you to put words in my mouth. BUT, I think I can talk on my own.
I never said that the world wouldn't survive without us. However, we are the #1 country in giving aid (we even help our enemies after natural disasters). No propaganda, just fact. And I asked that if we fall, how are the millions of people (mainly in third world or war torn countries) countries who depend on us for food and aid going to survive?
Hey, if the UK has enough resources to pick up the slack, good for you!

OK, now take how pissed you are at me right now.... then multiply by say.. 1000 (to take into account a hypothetical bombed out house, missing brother, raped sister, a destroyed history plus a bit if DU induced cancer stored up for the kids). Now you've got just a bit of an idea how the Iraqis, or the Palestinians are going to feel about the US right now.

Not good is it? That's you're reality stick.

1. I'm not pissed at you. 0 x 1000 = 0
2. What does the Iraqi war have to do with anything in the first place?
3. Why would the Palestinians be mad at us? We supported giving them a country....

but we've got to paint these scenarios otherwise the US might just end up thinking it's infallible and kick off a world war that will cause the global devastation and starvation you currently believe you protecting the world from..
..
peace

that doesn't even make sense...

Are you saying that you have to find ways to destroy the US or we'll start a war that would destroy the world which in turn would also destroy the US?

Russian, considering you came from a country which fell, I don't want to listen to you nor anyone from another country. People will say "Rome was the strongest and they fell" Well, Rome also didn't have the communications as us. As in conclusion, the USA will never fall, unless we listen to people foreign to us.


America loves everyone

Originally posted by Laxpla
Russian, considering you came from a country which fell, I don't want to listen to you nor anyone from another country. People will say "Rome was the strongest and they fell" Well, Rome also didn't have the communications as us. As in conclusion, the USA will never fall, unless we listen to people foreign to us.


America loves everyone

HAHA!

Cant be more ignorant can you?

Egypt fell cause they didnt have the tech Roman has and Roman fell cause it didnt have the tech US?

What a mor*n...

Can you understand what geos up comes down?

The high you go up the long you will fall.

Anyway how old are you?

Out,
Russian

russia didnt fell, the ussr did.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I never said that the world wouldn't survive without us. However, we are the #1 country in giving aid (we even help our enemies after natural disasters). No propaganda, just fact. And I asked that if we fall, how are the millions of people (mainly in third world or war torn countries) countries who depend on us for food and aid going to survive?

We in the west don't "support" the third world.. We bleed it dry. The earthquake blankets are just for PR.

2. What does the Iraqi war have to do with anything in the first place?

It's an example of the real, non-hypothetical destruction of a country, the discussion of which never elicited calls for censorship, as you did for this thread.

Are you saying that you have to find ways to destroy the US or we'll start a war that would destroy the world which in turn would also destroy the US?

Oh good grief.
My point is that open discussion, and not censorship, is the way we all get to learn about the world. If that discussion touches on something inflammatory or threatening then so be it. Maybe I used the wrong words.. sorry my bad.. but until the US starts realizing it's true place in the world, and it's real strengths and weaknesses, it's going to make a lot more bad and dangerous decisions. Germany thought they were infallible once too.

[EDIT : Grrrrrrr... *cough* ahem.. sorry for the rant there.. it's just your administration man.. they just make me gotta sometimes.....]

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[edit on 16-6-2004 by muppet]

Originally posted by feindflug
russia didnt fell, the ussr did.

True but Russia and the other republics went through a ressision.

Out,
Russian

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by Laxpla
Russian, considering you came from a country which fell, I don't want to listen to you nor anyone from another country. People will say "Rome was the strongest and they fell" Well, Rome also didn't have the communications as us. As in conclusion, the USA will never fall, unless we listen to people foreign to us.


America loves everyone

HAHA!

Cant be more ignorant can you?

Egypt fell cause they didnt have the tech Roman has and Roman fell cause it didnt have the tech US?

What a mor*n...

Can you understand what geos up comes down?

The high you go up the long you will fall.

Anyway how old are you?

Out,
Russian

You are kind of right, Iam 15 to be honest. But what I do not understand is that you failed to read the part of communications. The Vis attacked them disrupting there communcations. s This thread I think poses a threat to America, maby it is knowledge to look for, but I don't know according to you. Well, cya.

America Loves Everyone

Can we keep children out of this discussion?

Out,
Russian

Well, why should you be discussing this topic when your country fell?
And considering, I will bet you anything I bench more then you, curl, anything but legs.


America Loves Everyone

Originally posted by Laxpla



This thread I think poses a threat to America, maby it is knowledge to look for, but I don't know according to you.
America Loves Everyone

I couldn't agree more.

I am appalled that this thread was allowed to remain here with the current title.

And I also agree when you state the fact that we shouldn't take advice of this nature from a person who lives in a country that financialy failed not long ago. Sounds like envy to me.

I have to say that even at 15, you are still one of the more mature minded people I have seen in this thread.


Nutzo


Nutzo

Destory Wallstreet or New York City...

Originally posted by Laxpla
Well, why should you be discussing this topic when your country fell?
And considering, I will bet you anything I bench more then you, curl, anything but legs.


My country didnt fall USSR fell apart but my country stayed in place.

They did have a ressision.

America Loves Everyone

Really 275lb?

A 15 year old on STARIOD!!!!

Out,
Russian

Guys enough of the tit for tat please!

Keep this on the topic

Originally posted by Russian
Can we keep children out of this discussion?

Out,
Russian

Sorry Russian....

I've always thought our greatest threat is our dependence on foreign supplies. Mainly off shore manufacturing. We have become a service and management oriented country outside of our agricultural exports. If something would effect Asia as a exporter we would fall into recession wouldn't we? All of our malls would have to close their doors. Can any of you sew clothing or make shoes, refrigators, stoves, dishwashers etc. Even our steel is exported for refinement.