What went wrong ? What can we do to survive ?

The meaning of life ? Why waste it ?


Hi ATS we live in a time where political ideology is no longer set by clear boundaries.
Most of us can vote, and we do but the results show the same mistakes, the same behavior, the same ludicrous spendings... You can ask yourself, why do I vote ?

Our governments, not only the US government, but any western government, they are sucking up taxes where we have worked hard for. Now... I understand that we pay taxes. Taxes are necessary to maintain our public domains. To uphold the law, public safety and a lot of more things we all take for granted and have never actually thought about.

Not so long ago a man earned enough money, in my country, to raise and feed, his family. Nowadays both parents need to work to be able to pay for the same thing. The back side is that we can now longer be there for our children all the time. This means we can not raise them with the things we think are best, ( luckily ) but society has taken this place. This has been going on for a few generations and we can all notice the hardening of society... Something went wrong and is going wrong, yet we don't exactly know what it is that is going wrong.
I believe this is because we have already missed out a part of what is necessary to understand. I don't claim this to be a political problem. It is just as much a societal thing. Politics do however seem to encourage our way of life, our consumerism and materialism.

In my country we pay up to 42 % of our earnings in taxes and in addition to that we pay 20 % on top of every product we buy that isn't a necessity, like food or water. We only pay 9% for it
I would not be bothered by this if I could see where this money goes to. The problem is that we are paying more every single year, but there is hardly anything returned to society. In fact our public privileges are cut. Most of them have disappeared the last 20 years. We did not ever stopped paying for them... We have never ever payed more taxes then we do now.

Where does it go ?

For us it is going into a bottomless pit of bad government spending, bailouts, the joint strike fighter.

I'm sorry but I didn't ask for a new fighter plane. It will never be able to protect us, as it is already out of date. The only thing where they are gonna use it for is kill innocent people in some far away country.

Every politician promises a lot but they end up doing the opposite or just nothing at all. They start wars, illegal even, they lie and manipulate and for what ? The public keeps on spending money on a never ending hole.
All this has ended up to a scenario where we do not need a bigger budget, we do not need to save money. There is lots of it. The problem is that it just disappears or ends up being payed as interest on governments loans that we would not need if the government was acting in the best interests of the people.

I've come to a point where I don't see the point of government. All they do is spend more of our money then they get. Only beneficial for a corporate few... While we, the public are the ones that make it all possible, The ones that should be payed. Unfortunately our money goes to weapons of war and wallets that are already filled.

How many people do you know that want to be in a war ? We don't start wars, governments do.

So why do we vote ? Why do we keep falling into the same lies and the same situation, over and over again ?

Is there an alternative ?

Capitalism has failed big time, socialism also failed big time. Democracies turn into dictatorial rule. Again and again after some sort of fascism or nationalism. Over and over again because of the interests of government, which are happy to send you, me and everybody else into death, to protect those interests or even obtain the interests of others.

You tell me ? That can't be right. I don't care if the resources have to be shared. Why would I take more for myself ? Why should I agree with a government that takes more for itself ? We are all people. We all want to drive a car, but tell me... What is all this wealth and luxury worth when others are starving to death, are in pain, get killed... because I want to drive a car or because some among us are so greedy they want it all ?

We are at a turning point. A crossroad... When we go straight ahead, we will surly die... All of us.
There are people that say within a century.
We can go right and walk into the hands of a select few, or enslavement. where we will end up just as dead.

But...

There is hope for us if we choose to go left. There is just one problem... I don't think it can be done with our current governments in power.
I do not suggest anarchy or a utopia. But things need to change and they will need to change now.

My question is... What on earth can we do to accomplish a change, more importantly a change for the better ?

Is there even an already existing ideology that can provide or assist this change out there ?

I'm not aware of all the possibilities, situations, changes and ideas but what I see is not how it supposed to be. I understand we are a violent, greedy, angry hateful and complaining species, but we are destroying our home. The very things that make all of those thing possible.

Why ?


I'm sorry to bother you all with my depressing thoughts. I am actually a very happy guy and a true product of society. I couldn't care less if we get extinct within the next century. I'm gonna die anyway .
I do believe it would be such a waste. A waste of all the good things mankind has to offer. A waste of potential. Who are we to waste what has been given to us, to waste what exist for a reason unknown. Life is precious. It is not the result of some random events. A reason exists... Whatever that reason may be.

Lets not waste our potential... Please ?

I'm willing...

Are you ?

~ Sinter

I would not worry about it either, 90% of humans are just wannabee murderers anyway.

I am sure there are plans to make sure no matter what happens that humans will survive.

Personally i think nothing will stop humans now, and i think we will change soon, and not be like what we are today and this will be done by the ptb and on purpose, as humans today are useless.

Why do you want survival?

What is actually surviving? Us, or our ideas?

reply to post by onequestion


What is surviving ?

It does not matter what survives. Only that what lives gets wasted.
It would be a shame if it gets wasted.

Reply to Andy1033


I don't think I share your negativity.
90 %
You must have been through some pretty bad situations .

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
Reply to Andy1033

 

I don't think I share your negativity.
90 %

You must have been through some pretty bad situations .

Yep i was never allowed to live an adult life. 90% of people are absolute scum, no matter what anyone says.

It takes a life like mine to show what real humans are like.

I would not be bothered personally if i was you about humans, i am sure no matter what there are plans, but i think nothing will stop humans now.

Humans from this planet are a nightmare on the universe, and does the universe really want these species going elsewhere doing all the hate and damage it does to its own.

reply to post by andy1033


Your adult life ?


I'm not talking about just humanity. I'm talking about life.
Mankind's actions destroy a lot of life in the process. It's a waste.

There you have it.

The alternative. Astonishing timing.

The surprising truth about what motivates us

Exodus the big cities and turn them into prisons like "Escape from New York". Then regroup into small communities that send their selfish, greedy and unproductive dead weight citizens to the prison cities.

Allow self rule in these small communities and have people live their lives in a sustainable, nature friendly way. Everyone in these communities must work hard and eat healthy to keep physically fit. These people must be motivated by selflessness and to help their fellow citizens. Of course, this sounds like a utopia doesn't it? We all know from history and sci-fi stories that utopias don't fair well. I guess we shouldn't follow the lemmings over the cliff, that's the best anyone can do.

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That is not enough... It will not change the result.

Doing nothing is not gonna cut it .

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
This has been going on for a few generations and we can all notice the hardening of society... Something went wrong and is going wrong, yet we don't exactly know what it is that is going wrong.
I believe this is because we have already missed out a part of what is necessary to understand.
~ Sinter

Everything is going wrong,so we cant see it.
People cannot understand it even when living in it as one cant see the forest for the trees.

THE NEW (OLD) WORLD ORDER IS THE REVOLUTION WE CANT STOP.
Reason No. 22
The people are tired. Working two or three jobs and both parents
working just to get by.

Reason No. 24
People are being poisoned. Mercury,Fluoride,Aluminum and 1000s of chemicals in the food,

Reason No. 25
People escape through legal and illegal drugs.

Reason No. 26
Confusion because of so many different things happening at the same time.

Reason No. 27
The cycle of warfare. This creates the Military Industrial Complex which
the elite use to impoverish the sheeple through taxation and mind control.


Reason No. 1 why we cant win.
The sheeple worship money and the elite,especially in the USA. There is a natural urge to want to surrender to something or someone,Freud called it the death wish. It is our true spiritual nature but used by the elite to get people to surrender to them.

Reason No. 2

Ordinary people simply cant go into politics.

Politics is the Domain of the warrior person. The warrior person is someone who lives from the point of view of the Third Chakra, the Chakra of Power. Otherwise known as the solar plexus. (They have the stomach for the fight)
They enjoy fighting with other people. It feeds their energy. They are the Alpha People.

The ordinary person is a Second Chakra person. They do not like to confront people and especially Third Chakra people. If an ordinary person goes into politics it will constantly stress them out.

2B
It takes a high IQ (140)with good verbal abilities, to be a good politician. Only a few people have that. GB + 0 with an IQ of 125 were mediocre puppets.

Reason No. 3
Ninety percent of the people in politics are corrupted by the time they get there. So even if a decent person got to position of power they would be surrounded by so many corrupt persons that they couldnt do much if they tried.

Reason No. 4
Fear makes cowards of us all.
People dont want to risk losing their comforts. Change is dangerous.

Reason No. 5
Divide and Conquer
They Elite have deliberately divided the nation with an invasion of immigrants. These have a different IQ,Different Culture,Different Language,Different Race,Different Economic level,Different Religion,Different Levels of Violence. They come from countries with such oppressive governments and economies that even a deteriorating america is so much better than what they had.
These people have two goals,to achieve the American Dream of becoming rich and to increase their numbers so they are a majority in control.They are a Fifth column for the status quo.

5B
Then there are the divisions of POLITICS IS PERSONALITY.
Republican people are predator personalities.
Libertarian people are independent personalities.
Democrat people are Altruistic personalities.
Each individual sees the political issues through their personality not through logic. Thus there cant be any agreement.

5C
Divide by:Race,Sex,Religion,Sexual Orientation,Culture,Nationality,Age,
Wealth,Health,Patriotism,etc.

Reason No. 6
The elite control the mainstream media.
They portray the rich and the government, as the ones who create jobs,and the ones who protect us.

Reason No. 7 (mentioned by other poster)
The elite are psychopaths capable of eliminating their opposition by violence. The Kennedy assassination.

Reason No. 8
The people are low IQ and getting lower are simply not capable of
comprehending these ideas , even the simple idea of class war.
Warren Buffet-"There is a class war and my class is winning."

Reason No. 9 (mention by other poster)
Religion is the opiate of the masses and keeps them distracted.

Reason No. 10
There is no common Ideology. In fact the people will turn upon themselves in anarchy. It is now even impossible to define victory.

Reason No. 11
The police state with 2.2 million in prison 75 percent for drugs,gambling or prostitution. CIA,FBI,NSA,Military INdustrial Complex. Anyone can be framed for drug charges at any time,tortured,and disappeared.

Reason No. 12
Corruption in Government from the bottom to the top.

Reason No. 13
Secret Societies for the elite,skull and bones,billderbergers,trilateral commission,etc allow the elite to coordinate their schemes so they think
and act as one.

Reason No. 14
People are Spiritually Asleep. Thus people identify themselves with their
thoughts. If you challenge their thoughts they will take it as a personal
attack on their Ego and will violently confront you. We are not our thoughts.
We are consciousness.

Reason No. 15
Stockholm syndrome. Which is when someone begins to identify with their
oppressor due to stress and fear. It is a literal breakdown of the mind.

Reason No. 16
The military will support the elite as long as they are getting what they
want, which is an almost endless military budget and the right to wage
war almost anywhere they want.

Reason No. 17
The use of gradualism and incrementalism to manipulate the sheeple.

Reason No. 18
Bread and circuses.

Reason No. 19
Disarming the sheeple. The 2nd amendment has to a large extent been eviscerated. Almost no one is allowed to carry a loaded concealed weapon,or even a loaded open weapon, while the cops are armed like soldiers and the criminals are in armed gangs.

Reason No. 20
Technology will allow the elite to track every person of interest in the country. ID chips,paperless money and computers will allow them to know where you are at all times. Brain scans may allow them to know what you are thinking. Genetic testing may allow them to know whether you have undesirable traits.
Reason No. 21
The elite can control vital resources because they are centralized. Water,electricity,natural gas,gasoline and phone lines can all be controlled from a central location easily. Food distribution can also be controlled since almost everyone depends on imported food.
No. 22
Time is on the side of the Elite. By doing nothing
differnent than what they are already doing they are
winning. The NWO is the Revolution.


[edit on 12-7-2010 by RRokkyy]

reply to post by RRokkyy


The one and only reason we can not win is because people read your reasons and stop trying. They loose the will to fight.

There is no such thing as different human races. We are so similar to the most unrelated person, two gorillas from the same forest share less genes.

Giving up before you try is stupid. It appears that stupid is common among humanity. An IQ of 140 only tells me that you can remember and understand what you are have learned better. It says little about who you are and what you are capable of.

You are simply smart enough to let people think you are intelligent but still dumb enough to be easily manipulated.

Only an idiot would voluntary dig his own grave. Only politicians are proud enough they can let someone else dig it and brag about it.

It is time to close pandoras box.

PS
I never once mentioned a new world order. It has not been new for a long time.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


Not doing something, in this case, is doing something. I don' t have to "follow the leader" or conform. Live your life in the way that is best for you and your belief system. Face the consequences and unite with like minded thinkers and doers.

I feel your frustration friend, I really do.

Edit to add: Unless we stop eating, we have to destroy living things to live. We'd be better humans if we were plants.

[edit on 12-7-2010 by MichiganSwampBuck]

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Good post and some good thoughts/questions.

I agree with your statement of wanting to see where this tax money is going. I think that is the next step if our political systems are to stay (or rather become) healthy. From now on, before we go and vote in another one of these idiots, everyone should be giving a full list of how much and where their tax money is being spent, a few months in advance. Then the public can have a better idea of what to demand out of our politicians and actually be able to hold their "feet to the fire" on these issues.

Democracy's are the latest correction in a long line of flawed government ideology's that have been evolving through trial and error for centuries. The reason why a Democracy has no choice but to turn into Fascism and Dictatorships is because Democracy's put all non-democracy nations at a disadvantage and extort and abuse their resources and economies. Unfortunately, it is not possible for every nation in the world to stay sovereign and become an equal Democracy because there always needs to be some one at a disadvantage to pay for the stronger ones success. Sooner or later, those nations become hostile and seek to destroy the Democracies, which gives us no choice but to go to war in order to keep our systems intact. Then after decades of this same cycle happening, and after many of the people of those other nations were forced to flee and come west to find refuge (becoming the democracies citizens), the Democracies own people begin to dislike what is happening and no longer care to protect it. Thus, the need to reign in a more Fascist-like, Dictator-like, Nationalism-like system in order to keep things going. In reality it is just merely hanging on by a thread and will soon either fall from the inside, like Rome did, or be destroyed by other nations like Germany was.

This is why they are trying so hard to create that one world government, starting with one world economies. That is the only way for "them" to move forward. So anyone that opposes this is the enemy, ie. why we first destabilized the mid-east and now we are trying to completely destroy and rebuild it. Once you get passed the fear of things, and see it for what it is, it really is a difficult issue. Although war, economic manipulation/slavery, propaganda and robbing of others resources, is only going to make things worse, how else do you do it? You can't go backwards and say "ok, we have been wrong and we are going to relinquish our power so we can all get along" because some other nation like China or Russia will jump on that opportunity. Or someone like Saddam or Ahmadinejad will become so powerful that they then will start to do the same things to you and others as others and you have done to them. So it's a messed up situation that needs people with no ulterior motives to figure out healthy solutions. Hopefully there is enough time for the next few generations (who are not so blindly 'patriotic') to figure some things out, because that one world government idea is terribly dangerous considering who it is that is making it happen, the same people and groups who got us into this mess.

[edit on 12-7-2010 by LifeIsEnergy]

reply to post by andy1033


Andy,

Perhaps ~90% of the people within your local community were scum, but you can't reasonably expect to extrapolate that onto the whole of humanity. I think you would be wise to move away from your area, and experience different cultures. East Asia has the lowest incidence of sociopathy. Perhaps you should consider saving a little bit of $$ and skipping states.

Being in a state of self-loathing and seeking pity does nobody any good.

reply to post by MichiganSwampBuck


That's just it I'm not frustrated at all. Maybe disappointed There is still hope.

Even plants and trees kill to live. I'm not talking about giving up my steak. I'm taking about setting of 2043 nuclear bombs. Going for profit with a total lack of respect for life.

You do don't have to follow a leader just follow your heart.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


I see. Thanks for the reply. I think I understand better where you are coming form.

Edit: I meant from! Darn spell checker!

[edit on 12-7-2010 by MichiganSwampBuck]

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by RRokkyy

 

The one and only reason we can not win is because people read your reasons and stop trying. They loose the will to fight.

There is no such thing as different human races. We are so similar to the most unrelated person, two gorillas from the same forest share less genes.

Giving up before you try is stupid. It appears that stupid is common among humanity. An IQ of 140 only tells me that you can remember and understand what you are have learned better. It says little about who you are and what you are capable of.

You are simply smart enough to let people think you are intelligent but still dumb enough to be easily manipulated.

Only an idiot would voluntary dig his own grave. Only politicians are proud enough they can let someone else dig it and brag about it.

It is time to close pandoras box.

PS
I never once mentioned a new world order. It has not been new for a long time.

The new world order is the same as the old world order. A small group of rich people running things to give themselves all the money and power.
Same as the days of the Kings and Royalty.

Who are you going to fight? What are you fighting for? An end to government health care? Most people actually want some kind of guaranteed health care.

The problems is the sheeple are sheeple. And sheeple worship those who control them,the rich and powerful.

There are no two gorillas that are the same, you used to know that.

The Sheeple count dollars jumping over their fence in their sleep.

reply to post by RRokkyy

There are no two gorillas that are the same, you used to know that.

That's what I said.

You right about the sheeple. I do not suggest to fight anything except for the fight withing ourselves. If you would start a war against the system death will follow. Maybe if the one shoes up...

But I do not think it is wise to wait for divine intervention.