Why don't we all just leave?

IMO to group together only makes it easier for them to get ya!

What needs to happens is total stand together as a peoples of the world, no more paying your bills and working for them STOP start helping and working for one another...... fire them all.

Turmoil will only last if you let it last.... work together and "the meek shall inherit the Earth."

PS I am not religious either with saying the above

as others are prob thinking the same thing , the hardest thing i find in breaking away is getting the people you care about to see the same light that you do, its a tough concept when you cant get your family off the tv, poison food, and tiny worlds they are stuck in

Lurking, indeed. Almost every thread on this site draws out provacatours trying to incite violence. Preying on people's frustration at the evergrowing threat to the last free nation on earth. What would you have them do; form thier own herd to detention facilities? This is not David vs Goliath.. it is a Global Beast and there is nowhere to run, hide or a specific face to fight. YES, we can SEE what is going on, in the same way you can see a tsunami coming but cannot stop it from crashing over you. We HAD our Revolution, which culminated into the Constitution of the United States. We were blessed for over 200 years because we formed this nation based on the priciples of GOD. Then we decided we were too 'enlightend' and progressive for such 'myths', escorted Him out of the schools and society. Just paved the way for all of this to come about. We forfieted everything when we forfieted God. So why be angry at the consequences of your own actions? Instead you try to manipulate people into rage and violence! You sold the farm, now deal with the owners. It's checkmate, and we lost.

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i cannot agree more, I have tried to convince my mom numerous times to leave the US but she doesnt understand why. When i try to explain everything to her she says she doesnt want to hear it. She forbids me to talk to her about the oil spill. She says its too sad to talk about. Ignorance is bliss i guess. I told her i might be moving out of the country soon and she's like "oh thats nice, just leave your family behind." Im at a loss. I don't want to leave them but theres nothing more I can do.

I think the problem with just leaving is where do you go? Where are you going to go that isn't worse than where you are now? I like the idea of communities at sea, but what about supplies? Initially I mean? You've started this big community and now how do you support them? Eventually, you would become self sufficient, but until then you are going to rely on that world that you despise for parts, labor, and food and to deal with them you are going to need their currency. It sucks.

I think why a lot of us don't leave is that we still believe that in some way when the time comes, we can make a difference. For me, it's that quintessential American spirit, that spit in your eye attitude. Like a child that has been bullied, we will only take so much...

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Hi everybody, I am new to this site, and i am one of those that see that things are very different then what we get in the main stream news. I found this site and liked what you guys stand for, so lets work to make it better and not divide it remember the words "divide and conquer" that there specialty don't let it happen.

P.S. I am from Texas

Originally posted by The Proff
reply to post by Alethea

 

I think it would be a step forward towards the goal of creating a society of the "awakened". Why would we want to immediately reveal the society's purpose right away. If that happened then of course it would be ridiculed.

What is 'the Society' that you are referring to? Rosicrucians? Etc?

And why would this society fear revealing it's intentions in the open? If it's not allowed to be 'ridiculed' then how can it be proven to be utopia without thorough examination? So really, it's fear of scrutinty that prevents it being open to the light of day. More subversive tactics. Is there another domination agenda behind it?

Yes, I know these "societies" are working in the shadows. They always have. It will be a slightly different power structure in that the delegates will have different titles...but the new boss will be the same as the old boss...eventually.

Right now there is a great power struggle going on as to who has the right to rule. There will be a shaking of the powers and a new transition will emerge.

Man will always need a power structure in order to survive in a society because not everyone will behave ethically or morally. That is why, at this time, many venues are being used to bring these personalities to the forefront. The violent and the troublemakers are being brought out from under their rocks and tagged. Those with leadership abilities and qualities of service to others are also being pinged. We are all being scrutinized and sifted. The winnowing process has already gotton underway.

Those with potential to be of good in the new society will undergo re-education. The buzz word will be "to each according to his ability."

The new "war" will appear to be a peaceful constrict. Those who do not fit in will simply be cut off---reduced in priveliges and amenities. They will be left in the wilderness of chaos while others will go peacefully into the Intentional Communities.

Originally posted by TheFinalTruth14
I agree - where could we go? It's an interesting idea. Why are new civilizations no longer being created or organized? How long before TPTB label this civilization a terrorist group? It would have to be done legally. Problem is, if you don't have weapons, you can't protect yourself. If you do have weapons, you are terrorists.

While searching for news at space.com a few years ago, I bumped into one of the greatest arguments to support human space exploration. Within the author's argument for colonizing other planets, he presents a most profound and logical answer.

Some bullet points to his argument:

'In order for democracy and freedom to exist, mankind has 'no choice' but to proceed with human space exploration.'

'When you think about the gap between stars, visualize it as the gap between continents.'

'Humanity has a need for exploration, which is powered by both curiosity and necessity.'

'When the New World (before it became the US) was first discovered by the Europeans, oceans represented the great unknown.'

'Once mankind mastered boat building (not through commercialization), there was no stopping them from escaping tyranny.'

I think it is only a matter of time, and the term astronauts will be replaced with the term colonists. Even though our current president has canceled NASA's human space exploration programs (and turned it over to foreign countries), I personally believe this will encourage us to defiantly explore other possibilities. Human space exploration will be fueled by a group of individuals who seek independence and freedom from government (monarch) controls; thus, the great unknown will be colonized by those with insurrectionist philosophies similar to our US founding fathers.

Why don't we all just leave?
There are no more islands to explore, nor are there any to colonize. Our only other option is to explore space, and to create our own means of space travel. If we are not able to create such technologies, to colonize another planet soon, we will have no other choice but to a declare war.

50% of the US population is in a philosophical and ideological deadlock with the other 50%. During the 2000 elections, the 50% conflict showed its head for the first time. Only once the 2008 election cycle came around, we witnessed the polarization of our population again. Obama only won his election by 3% points. What made up that 3% difference was the Independent voters who were upset with Republicans. Fast-forward to this year's election, the Independents will be shifting back to the Republicans. Only 3% of the population swings left or right. It is unsustainable. As long as the United States is ideologically split 50/50, conflict will continue now and into the deep future.

War and space colonization are inevitable. It is just a matter of time, resources, and opportunity.

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Because I'm NEW to ATS, sometimes it's a struggle to be heard. But I hope you will read this with an open mind.

I, too, have felt "different" every since I was a little girl. I have been searching for truth since I was 8 years old and I picked up an Edgar Caycee book at the local library.

I, too, know I am AWAKE and I too, notice that others are still asleep. I try not to judge them---they have their own agendas in life, their own miles to walk...their own karma and lessons.

For many years, out of disgust, I too, thought about leaving or joining a like minded community. But I've changed my mind.

I decided that since I create my own life and my own reality---and since my years in this body have a finite number, that I am going to create the best and most beautiful life that I can. Instead of focusing on everything that's wrong with the world, I am trying to focus on the good. Never forget that what you focus on is what you will experience in life.

It's not that I live in denial. I read the news, I give when I can, and I believe that I offer a lot of my life in service to others. Since we can change the world one person at a time, I focus on what I CAN change. I can raise good children. I can be kind to others. I can wake up the people in my own little corner of the world. I can be honest and kind. I can focus on what is GOOD because focusing on the positive brings more light into the world.

I hate the Government. But the only change within my power is to vote wisely. I try to minimize the effects the Government has on my life by seeing it for what it is, effecting change by positive action and by promising myself I will not allow it have more power over my life than my own thoughts do.

I travel, cook, garden, volunteer, love my family..... And somehow, within the parameters of this crazy world, I've found a way to be happy. And that's what really counts.

I don't want to run away.

I'm here to create. I'm here to effect change. I'm here to do what I can with the short life I've been given.

And I'm going to do it all with a smile on my face.

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hey did you mean my thread (in signature) in the OP? Would be nice if some people would hop into it. But i also know as this is an american site there will be not so much responses as i am searching for.


Yeah folks! Come and let us break up tptb by just leaving their system!

Peace!

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Why not just stay where you are with no wierd cults or groups or whatever you're suggesting. I'd say just continue on with a normal life but stay informed and keep an open mind. I mean just because you're on these forums because you're not willing to believe everything you're told on mainstream media doesn't mean you have to go joining groups on it. I think the best thing we can do is keep our selves and those close to us informed and on our toes so when or if some disastrous thing happens we won't be caught off guard.

All people need to be proud of their Countries and their Heritage.

Their are 6 billion people on this Planet why do 6 billion allow the handful left to destroy and control.

The Governments down to big businesses need change and yes if all the Countries peoples stand together they can change the mistakes that have been made in their lands.

When Obama used change and 'yes we can" people thought for the good we haven't seen that yet and keeping everything hush hush only makes it worse. I am tired of listening to these people running our government they need to go..... and it is the people that will have make the change

Change yes we can if we choose to stand together. Everyone needs to be proud of their Countries and until we work together with attempting to bring every Nation on Earth with Peace, Health and Happiness we have failed as a race.

We teach our kids to say no to drinking and drugs we need to practice what we preach and say no to their slave labor and taxes.

If all peoples work together in their Countries the magic of intelligence will spread and life will be the way it was meant to be.

First the peoples need to heal Earth when we heal her, she will heal us.



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Originally posted by observe50
...yes if all County peoples stand together they can change the mistakes that have been made.

Even though I like your optimistic vision of humanity, the reality of what you are saying is extremely illogical. Since each individual is driven by an agenda (wealth, resources, shelter, safety, and religion), getting '7 billion' (not 6 billion) people to agree long enough is impossible. After such governments are replaced, the definition of what makes the world a better place differs. According to some religious groups, only their way of life is considered 'the right way'. Good luck trying to tell one group of individuals that they are wrong; thus, force them to give up their lifestyle to accommodate a Utopian world.

As you have just recently learned from Obama's example, the words 'change' and 'hope' are neutral words. Both are similar to the word 'consequence', which can also be defined in a positive and negative manner. 'Change' to what? 'Hope' for who? Good consequences, or bad consequences?

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I like the idea of making a complete break with society in general, but you need a lot of skills to accomplish this, first and foremost of which would be small plot farming and raising of animals for food.

I have often considered buying one of those underground bunkers they used to use as missile silos (you can buy them privately and renovate them into quite nice homes) but they are all in the middle of nowhere and you'd need to have an indenpendant income to live there.

Originally posted by babybunnies
I like the idea of making a complete break with society in general, but you need a lot of skills to accomplish this...

Or, you will need many people with a diverse set of skills. Each person within the group would need to have the 'willpower' and 'drive' to make a new society a success. Security, shelter, food, water, and clothing all need to be sought out. All of those necessities must be 'individually' obtained; thus, no government entitlements can be given to the weak. Darwin's laws and philosophies will need to be the lay of the land.

"If I teach you the skills for filtering clean water, we can exchange for your skills in making clothing. I can teach you in how to obtain clean water (but I will not provide it), and you can teach me to create clothes (but you will not provide them)."

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As much as I believe we are all where we should be for whatever higher purpose we are to serve, I still feel that I would like to start a new life with people of like mind. Everyone will feel differently about where to go, but I do have a suggestion. It may still end up being controlled by TPTB, as there probably isn't a complete and total escape, but at least I would feel like I am doing something. Here's the link:

www.damanhur.org...

This sounds like the making of a Jim Jones esque suicide cult.



TC can't honestly think this kind of thing could or would actually happen right?

I mean, pretty much everything spelled out in the OP will amount to nothing and is just another example of the very kind of empty "rallies" TC seems to mock.

Lets have a reality check. The entire world is subdivided into countries. Countries that own the land within their borders. Unless you plan on moving to an isolated part of Antarctica, good luck finding a way to legally claim your own land to construct this "civilization."

Really, I don't disagree with some of the comments, but even thinking about this kind of thing is honestly just, well, silly.

I.E Not gonna happen. Ever.

the new and only revolution has happened, is happening and will happen within each of us only.

i know it is damn slow to awake the sheeple

but by trying to organise groups, what you get ? just the same as usual: some decide the majority accept and follow. that's not how i define freedom.

we all have different path to follow, but the trigger to find it is indeed the same for all :

to replace fear by love,
rights by duty
and the card castle of tptb will be blown away

they have no power over consciousness.
be conscious of what you do and why you do it the way you do it; that's what we have to change. anywhere, anytime.

(of course, it is much easier to do it in a country out of the western world)

this is one planet
each free soul count.

From the Eagles, Hotel California, "The Last Resort":

Who will provide the grand design?
What is yours and what is mine?
'Cause there is no more new frontier
We have got to make it here

We satisfy our endless needs and
justify our bloody deeds,
in the name of destiny and the name
of God

I think they are right. There is nowhere to go; we have to stand our ground. Just like my ancestors paternal and maternal, the Native Americans. Stand and fight, don't run. That's my manifesto. I aint goin' anywhere.

Why don't I just leave?

I like it here.

Yea, I like it here. I've been to Europe, it's ok, but I like it here better. I've been to other places as well (Russia, Turkey), but I like it here. Why should I leave? And what is this overriding sense of hopelessness. You wouldn't be happy anywhere with that attitude.

And where are you going to go where you won't be subject to the whims of the multinational corporations that run this world?

If you want to change the world start with yourself.